SNAP bans on soda, candy and other foods take effect in five states Jan. 1- Thanks RFK!

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No it isnt. People on SNAP are receiving tax payer assustance so they dont STARVE. If they want CANDY, SODA, BOOZE, then they need to find a way to EARN money to buy it.

Its just not on the taxpayers dime.

That's a government MANDATE.

 

[eagle1462010]

Maybe you should take out a calculator. I'm actually curious myself since we've decided to not come to the States anymore as long as Trump is in office. Since we suspect that my activity on this forum risks me not being allowed to enter or even being detained.(Not sure the fear is warranted)

Calculate what the cheapest healthy meal is that you can make and compare it to junk food alternatives and let me know.

I know what the calculation was for me last time I was in Florida visiting the in-laws

Ultra TDS. Life hasnt changed much since he took office for Americans.

That is IRRATIONAL FEAR.

Costs have actually gone down since he has been in office. Biden made Carter look good on unflation

 

[eagle1462010]

That's a government MANDATE.

They can eat whatever they want. Just not with SNAP. Go to work. This is food paid by others. This is taxpayer Charity.

We dont owe giving you a Snickers bar.

 

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Ultra TDS. Life hasnt changed much since he took office for Americans.

That is IRRATIONAL FEAR.

Costs have actually gone down since he has been in office. Biden made Carter look good on unflation

Irrational?

We have people denied Visa's to politicians because of regulations against tech companies.

Entry being denied for criticizing Israel.

Entry being denied because criticizing Trump on social media.

Entry being denied because not having a passport were your gender matches your birth certificate.

A REQUIREMENT to give the American government access to both my phone and social media history.

Those things all have and are happening as we speak.

There's nothing irrational about my fear. And I'm not about to spend money on a ticket and take time off work so some TSA agent can **** me because he doesn't like what I say about the guy he voted for. Something he can do without me actually having a way to challenge his assessment.

Those are the consequences I and my family experience because you are and voted for a cruel xenophobe.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Dude the whole premise is about the Trump Administration, MANDATING what people should eat or drink.

TDS rant. The Trump administration is not mandating what people should or shouldn't ingest. It is wisely saying that it will not subsidize obesity causing foods and drinks. Anyone can go buy a super jumbo coke and a 10lb. bag of candy any time they want, but the federal government isn't going to pay for it. More importantly, the federal government should not be in the business of feeding people at all. Hungry? Go get a job and pay for your own food. Can't get a job or don't want to? Ask your family for help. They don't want to help your lazy ass? You're a loser and it is your own damn fault, now suffer the consequences and go hungry.

 

[eagle1462010]

Irrational?

We have people denied Visa's to politicians because of regulations against tech companies.

Entry being denied for criticizing Israel.

Entry being denied because criticizing Trump on social media.

Entry being denied because not having a passport were your gender matches your birth certificate.

A REQUIREMENT to give the American government access to both my phone and social media history.

Those things all have and are happening as we speak.

There's nothing irrational about my fear. And I'm not about to spend money on a ticket and take time off work so some TSA agent can **** me because he doesn't like what I say about the guy he voted for. Something he can do without me actually having a way to challenge his assessment.

Those are the consequences I and my family experience because you are and voted for a cruel xenophobe.

Gender mstches your psssport.

LMAO

You arent an U.S. citizen then I take?. And might be one who might think we have 72 genders.

LMAO

 

[eagle1462010]

TDS rant. The Trump administration is not mandating what people should or shouldn't ingest. It is wisely saying that it will not subsidize obesity causing foods and drinks. Anyone can go buy a super jumbo coke and a 10lb. bag of candy any time they want, but the federal government isn't going to pay for it. More importantly, the federal government should not be in the business of feeding people at all. Hungry? Go get a job and pay for your own food. Can't get a job or don't want to? Ask your family for help. They don't want to help your lazy ass? You're a loser and it is your own damn fault, now suffer the consequences and go hungry.

SNAP and US Aid was abused by users for far too long.

And those on it feel it is THEIR RIGHT TO HAVE IT NOW FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT.

Which is plain WRONG.

 

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Gender mstches your psssport.

LMAO

You arent an U.S. citizen then I take?. And might be one who might think we have 72 genders.

LMAO

No I'm not. My wife and daughter are.

Thanks by the way for confirming my cruel xenophobe assertion.

Since you find the post worthy of laughing your ass off.

I personally don't think people denied entry for their opinions, or because a perverse fixation on transgenders as some kind of boogyman is all that funny. But then again I have decency.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Starting Thursday, Americans in five states who get government help paying for groceries will see new restrictions on soda, candy and other foods they can buy with those benefits.

Indiana, Iowa, Nebraska, Utah and West Virginia are the first of at least 18 states to enact waivers prohibiting the purchase of certain foods through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP.


It’s part of a push by Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins to urge states to strip foods regarded as unhealthy from the $100 billion federal program -- long known as food stamps -- that serves 42 million Americans.

SNAP bans on soda, candy and other foods take effect in five states Jan. 1

Americans in five states who get government help paying for groceries will see new limits starting Thursday on soda, candy and other foods they can buy with those benefits

abcnews.go.com

This is something Democrats and Republicans can agree on. This is great work by Robert F Kennedy Junior. We have an obesity problem in America one of if not the most obese country in the developed world. And obesity affects poor people more than other groups.

SNAP is a pro American and yes, a pro Christian program. Helping poor people this is just the way forward. Especially children of drug addicted parents. But SNAP recipients should be eating healthy food with lots of protein and nutrients. Fresh food, fresh fruit, milk. Beef and chicken.

There’s still a lot of work to do wrt making America healthy again. Like addressing the fast food industry. But This is a step in the right direction.

Hilarious that when Michelle Obama said something about bad food, the right went NUTS about it. RFK does it, and they don't care.

 

[Dorian Mode]

SNAP and US Aid was abused by users for far too long.

And those on it feel it is THEIR RIGHT TO HAVE IT NOW FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT.

Which is plain WRONG.

They were abused by democraps to enrich themselves through corruption. SNAP, Section 8 and thousands of other "welfare" programs are just there to launder money, like what is happening in Minnesota, but on a national scale. Now the federal government has become one big organized crime syndicate, and is spearheaded by the democrap party. We have to lose all this baggage holding back the entire country just for the benefit of power hungry and greedy democraps and the complicit RINOs. It's time to release the watchdogs and bring this corruption to a grinding halt.

 

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TDS rant. The Trump administration is not mandating what people should or shouldn't ingest. It is wisely saying that it will not subsidize obesity causing foods and drinks. Anyone can go buy a super jumbo coke and a 10lb. bag of candy any time they want, but the federal government isn't going to pay for it. More importantly, the federal government should not be in the business of feeding people at all. Hungry? Go get a job and pay for your own food. Can't get a job or don't want to? Ask your family for help. They don't want to help your lazy ass? You're a loser and it is your own damn fault, now suffer the consequences and go hungry.

MAGA in a nutshell. **** everybody that isn't me.

 

[Dorian Mode]

MAGA in a nutshell. **** everybody that isn't me.

That would be the democrap's mantra. **** everybody, give me my free shit and give 10% to the Big Guy. If you care so much about the tens of millions of US freeloaders, enable them to emigrate to Belgium and you pay for them.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Honestly, calling $1 burger patties “healthy options” is kind of peak American logic, cheap, convenient, and definitely not what most nutritionists would call healthy. It’s funny because it leans into every stereotype people have of Americans, but it also makes the point: the foods that are cheapest and easiest to buy are often the most processed and calorie-dense.

So when SNAP tries to “fix” diets by banning candy and soda, it’s tackling a symptom, not the root cause. Until genuinely healthy foods are affordable and accessible, people are still stuck choosing between cheap calories and hunger..

I'm not trying to be mean, just trying to tie your premise to economic reality.

Fresh lean burger patties are certainly far more healthy compared to tv dinners. Packed with protein needs to be cooked on a grill or in an oven. So this isn’t something that you could just microwave in a few minutes.

It’s fresh meat. Of course it’s always going to be a better option compared to fast food or sodium packed processed food.

 

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That would be the democrap's mantra. **** everybody, give me my free shit and give 10% to the Big Guy. If you care so much about the tens of millions of US freeloaders, enable them to emigrate to Belgium and you pay for them.

Nope saying society has a responsibility to all it's citizens is not "**** everybody." It's the opposite of that.

What you're proposing has been done before, it's called Social Darwinism | Definition, Uses, & Facts | Britannica. And has been a justification for atrocities by some of the worst regimes in history.

But thanks for playing.

 

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A fresh lean

Fresh lean burger patties are certainly far more healthy compared to tv dinners. Packed with protein needs to be cooked on a grill or in an oven. So this isn’t something that you could just microwave in a few minutes.

It’s fresh meat. Of course it’s always going to be a better option compared to fast food or sodium packed processed food.

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A burger patty costing a buck isn't lean I'm pretty sure. And a tv diner is also processed.
Neither of them are healthy.

Your argument is that eating healthy is a matter of choice if I get your premise correctly. And I'm sure I do.

I'm arguing it's an economic limitation. As far as I can see, nothing you offer works as a rebuttal, because the only alternatives you offer are themselves unhealthy.

So, let's make it explicit. Do you assert it's possible to have a healthy nutritious meal for less or similar cost to junk processed food?
Just so we don't talk past one another.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

I never claimed it wasn't complicated. And all the things you mention play a part. But if having a banana as a snack costs 1 dollar ( just giving a number) and a bag of chips can serve as a snack for all your children for the same price,I'm sorry to say but a lot of people will go for the second option.

I'm a parent. We don't have soda in the house unless we're having company. But I won't claim my daughter never eats junk food. And she doesn't really eat fruit. No matter how much I tried to get her to. Getting her to eat vegetables was a struggle that took years. I succeeded in some, failed in others and don't consider myself a failure because of it.

Bananas are one of the cheapest healthiest options in America. But I do agree that there are many examples where fresh fruit and fresh meat is quite expensive compared to say a package of Ramen noodles or television dinner.

But when we talk about expensive fresh meat. Of course we are talking about IE the top cut steaks. I think those will always be expensive. But again I don’t know if you’re trying to debate that fresh ground beef, ground pork or ground turkey is unhealthy. I don’t think you are, but I don’t know. But those are all examples of things that can be found for somewhat reasonable costs. Yes, it’s a bit high for poor people, but actually you can buy a package of ground turkey or ground beef And it will last longer than a Tv dinner and cost less.

As for the other issues, I think I agree with you and I even said it earlier in the thread about corporate interests and food, lobbying groups propping up the fast food industry. And I think that new things could be done there maybe like putting warning labels on a McDonald’s restaurant about how unhealthy it is.

At least RFK jr it’s doing something. There’s obviously a lot of work to be done but by him influencing snap to get rid of high sugary foods and soda that’s obviously going to make a positive difference anyway we look at it.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

I never claimed it wasn't complicated. And all the things you mention play a part. But if having a banana as a snack costs 1 dollar ( just giving a number) and a bag of chips can serve as a snack for all your children for the same price,I'm sorry to say but a lot of people will go for the second option.

I'm a parent. We don't have soda in the house unless we're having company. But I won't claim my daughter never eats junk food. And she doesn't really eat fruit. No matter how much I tried to get her to. Getting her to eat vegetables was a struggle that took years. I succeeded in some, failed in others and don't consider myself a failure because of it.

 

[candycorn]

Folks can find reasonably priced fresh food. Like ground beef or ground pork or ground turkey. Sometimes you can find burger patties for a dollar each at certain places. I live outside the USA now but for almost all of my life I have lived in New York State.

Fresh fruit can be expensive but not all year and some places like ALDIs has low cost fruit.

SNAP still exists. There will not be malnutrition, but because of RFK Junior we will simply have more healthy Americans.

I would agree that obesity isn’t just because of bad choices. That is largely driving it but also the fact that the fast food industry is so popular and it is propped up by corporations and powerful interest groups.

Meanwhile back in reality, there is a Flu epidemic that has caused 3,000 deaths and over 7M illnesses thanks to the hysteria mumbles launched about simple safe vaccinations.

 

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Bananas are one of the cheapest healthiest options in America. But I do agree that there are many examples where fresh fruit and fresh meat is quite expensive compared to say a package of Ramen noodles or television dinner.

But when we talk about expensive fresh meat. Of course we are talking about IE the top cut steaks. I think those will always be expensive. But again I don’t know if you’re trying to debate that fresh ground beef, ground pork or ground turkey is unhealthy. I don’t think you are, but I don’t know. But those are all examples of things that can be found for somewhat reasonable costs. Yes, it’s a bit high for poor people, but actually you can buy a package of ground turkey or ground beef And it will last longer than a Tv dinner and cost less.

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As for the other issues, I think I agree with you and I even said it earlier in the thread about corporate interests and food, lobbying groups propping up the fast food industry. And I think that new things could be done there maybe like putting warning labels on a McDonald’s restaurant about how unhealthy it is.

At least RFK jr it’s doing something. There’s obviously a lot of work to be done but by him influencing snap to get rid of high sugary foods and soda that’s obviously going to make a positive difference anyway we look at it.

No I'm not talking about a top cut meat. Let's start with any cut of any meat. I'm talking about basic starches ,fresh vegetables. The things that make a meal actually nutritious.

When you say "a bit expensive" you are unwittingly conceding the point. Because what's "a bit expensive" for you might be unaffordable for a person needing SNAP benefits. And that's the point.

When someone like RFK closes off certain foodstuffs. Even if those foodstuffs are objectively bad for you. Even if he's doing it with the best intentions. It has the potential to make food unavailable entirely to some.

How to to prevent that is the question I'm asking.


As to the things you think can be done. Let me ask you. Why do you think putting warning labels on junk food will do anything? It seems to me that you are only interested in targeting the consumer. Something that at best would have marginal results, since it doesn't change the economic reality.

A much better way, if you're interested in tackling the problem would be things like stopping subsidies for things like growing corn. It's that, I believe that causes the overproduction that makes everything in the US to be laced with high fructose corn syrup.

Something in itself that would alleviate a significant part of the problem.

The reason of course being that that would have economic repercussions for both farmers and companies alike, in regions that a certain political party need on their side.

In my view what RFK is doing is changing policy on the margin. Policy that might or might not have at best a marginal effect. So people feel like they're interested while not changing a thing.


And just to be fair. Subsidizing of foodstuffs that causes overproduction to the detriment of health is not an exclusive American issue. Belgium does it to to a lesser extent and with different farm products.

But America with it's political system as it is, is by far the worst and most cynical perpetrator in my opinion.

 

[candycorn]

A fresh lean
A burger patty costing a buck isn't lean I'm pretty sure. And a tv diner is also processed.
Neither of them are healthy.

Your argument is that eating healthy is a matter of choice if I get your premise correctly. And I'm sure I do.

I'm arguing it's an economic choice. As far as I can see, nothing you offer works as a rebuttal because the only alternatives you offer are themselves unhealthy.

So, let's make it explicit. Do you assert it's possible to have a healthy nutritious meal for less or similar cost to junk processed food?
Just so we don't talk past one another.

You should be aware that when the Obamas suggested healtheir school luches, dudes like FDR lost their shit complaining about federal over-reach.