The Irish Ram
LITTLE GIRL / Ram Tough
No, the British Empire owned the land.
Smile please ! IDF death squad caught on camera again
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LOL. They took it....and..f'd it up....
Well, these things occur in war—and there will be war, because the Palestinians are not willing to settle for anything less than the destruction of Israel. The Israelis know they’re fighting a desperate war for survival. If they should lose, they die. Such desperation brings with it Acts of desperation. The center of this reality is that survival itself shapes their choices.
In World War II, the United States killed many Nazis and Germans that did not strictly need to be killed. The reason was simple: you kill them today, or they kill you tomorrow. That is the harsh reality of war.
A peace deal was offered to Yasser Arafat a generation ago. It could have worked, except for their demand for the right of return. There’s no way the Israelis would ever agree to that, since it would mean the end of Israel. With their enemy so Intermingled in their society, they would not have the ability to defend themselves.
A two‑state solution could work, but not if the right of return is involved. Basically, the Palestinians would get the West Bank, and the settlers who live there would keep their claims. Israel Or allies might pay something to settle any land disputes. The Palestinians would also get the Gaza Strip, with a corridor connecting the two—though that corridor would remain Israeli territory, which they have a right to control. Jerusalem could be a shared city, administered by both parties.
Of course, Israel would be reluctant to grant full sovereignty right away. They don’t want an army next door that could invade at any time. So, sovereignty would be gradually granted over time until the Palestinians achieved full independence.
In essence, the Israelis would have their Arabs, and the Palestinians would have their Jews. If both sides accepted this arrangement, there could be peace. The test case would be how the Palestinians treated the Jews once they had their own limited sovereignty.
These things occur in war—and there will be war, because the Palestinians are not willing to settle for anything less than the destruction of Israel. The Israelis know they’re fighting a desperate war for survival. If they should lose, they die. Such desperation brings with it acts of desperation. At the center of this reality is the fact that survival itself shapes their choices.
In World War II, the United States killed many Nazis and Germans who did not strictly need to be killed. The reason was simple: kill them today, or they kill you tomorrow. That is the harsh reality of war.
A peace deal was offered to Yasser Arafat a generation ago. It could have worked, except for the demand for the right of return. The Israelis could never agree to that, since it would mean the end of Israel. With their enemy so intermingled in their society, they would not have the ability to defend themselves.
A two‑state solution could work, but not if the right of return is involved. The Palestinians would get the West Bank, while settlers would keep their claims. Israel or its allies might pay to settle land disputes. The Palestinians would also get Gaza, with a corridor connecting the two—though that corridor would remain Israeli territory, which they have the right to control. Jerusalem could be a shared city, administered by both parties.
Israel would be reluctant to grant full sovereignty immediately. They do not want an army next door that could invade at any time. Sovereignty would therefore be gradually granted until the Palestinians achieved full independence.
In essence, the Israelis would have their Arabs, and the Palestinians would have their Jews. If both sides accepted this arrangement, there could be peace. The test case would be how the Palestinians treated the Jews once they had their own limited sovereignty.
In World War II, the United States killed many Nazis and Germans who did not strictly need to be killed. The reason was simple: kill them today, or they kill you tomorrow. That is the harsh reality of war.
A peace deal was offered to Yasser Arafat a generation ago. It could have worked, except for the demand for the right of return. The Israelis could never agree to that, since it would mean the end of Israel. With their enemy so intermingled in their society, they would not have the ability to defend themselves.
A two‑state solution could work, but not if the right of return is involved. The Palestinians would get the West Bank, while settlers would keep their claims. Israel or its allies might pay to settle land disputes. The Palestinians would also get Gaza, with a corridor connecting the two—though that corridor would remain Israeli territory, which they have the right to control. Jerusalem could be a shared city, administered by both parties.
Israel would be reluctant to grant full sovereignty immediately. They do not want an army next door that could invade at any time. Sovereignty would therefore be gradually granted until the Palestinians achieved full independence.
In essence, the Israelis would have their Arabs, and the Palestinians would have their Jews. If both sides accepted this arrangement, there could be peace. The test case would be how the Palestinians treated the Jews once they had their own limited sovereignty.
Toddsterpatriot
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Why do you feel the land belongs to the Palestinians?
Um..well..because, ultimately, it does...but to be fair.
The land was actually shared for hundreds of years....until the Brits came along and let..well, you know what happened.
Toddsterpatriot
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Um..well..because, ultimately, it does...but to be fair.
The land was actually shared for hundreds of years....until the Brits came along and let..well, you know what happened.
Shared?
You mean owned by the Ottoman Empire.
AZrailwhale
Diamond Member
The Brits never owned the land, they administered it, first for the League of Nations, then the UN until it was parted out. The Muslims got most of it and promptly expelled the Jews with only the clothes on their backs. Then the Brits took the part that had been intended for the Jews by the League of Nations and parted it out in indefensible penny packets of mixed Jews, Syrians, Jordanians and Egyptians. Instead of expelling the Muslims, the Jews invited them to stay and those who did are full citizens of Israel with all the rights. Those who left now call themselves Palestinians and demand treatment far better than the Jews of the other Muslim countries got.
AZrailwhale
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Actually Israel/Jordan was largely uninhabited over the centuries under the Ottoman Empire. Samuel Clemons toured it in 1867 and described it as an empty land with Jerusalem being no more than a very poor village. Most of the so-called Palestinian’s great grandparents emigrated to Israel to work for the Jews after they bought the land from absentee Ottoman landlords, and turned into cultivated rich farmland and orchards instead of desert occupied a few goatherds who let their goats eat everything green.Um..well..because, ultimately, it does...but to be fair.
The land was actually shared for hundreds of years....until the Brits came along and let..well, you know what happened.
AZrailwhale
Diamond Member
Actually the West Bank belonged to Jordan and Gaza belonged to Egypt before the 1967 War. Both refused to take their territory back when Israel offered it when Israel freely returned Sinai to Egypt in return for a peace treaty.Um..well..because, ultimately, it does...but to be fair.
The land was actually shared for hundreds of years....until the Brits came along and let..well, you know what happened.
The Irish Ram
LITTLE GIRL / Ram Tough
To the victor goes the spoils. The Ottomans had their turn. That land has changed hands over 40 times.LOL. They took it....and..f'd it up....
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The Irish Ram
LITTLE GIRL / Ram Tough
The Arabs that chose to live and work in Israel were told by Egypt that they were about to invade Israel, to leave, and Israel asked them to stay. They did not. Some burned their homes before they left, so the Jews wouldn't end up with them. They expected to be allowed into Egypt, but they were refused. They had no choice but to squat on Israeli land. They didn't qualify for refugee aid, so an exception was made in their case to keep them from starving. They were no longer welcome in Israel. Egypt left them there and radicalized them to fight Israel. The King of Jordan said what Eqypt was doing was criminal.
Roudy
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The land was under Ottoman control for 600 years, and after World War 2 the Ittiman empire collapsed and the British and French took over. Of noteworthy is that the Ottomans who were Muslims themselves invited the JEWS of Spain and Portugal who were suffering during the inquisitions to come and settle in what the Ottomans considered the ancient Jewish homeland. In other words Palestine is a hoax, even the Ottoman Muslims made no mention of this fictional entity and people.
ShahdagMountains
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Tainant; at it again. 
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Tommy Tainant
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Obvuosly as an american you will have a relaxed attitude to land theft. The US is built entirely on syolen land.
Deadstick
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Some Palestinians have, they still have the Deeds to property on the West Bank now stolen and occupied by foreign Colonialists.
Deadstick
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No right of return for Arabs but you are ok with a Polish or American Jew who has never been there having a right of so called return?
EMH
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From someone who tosses anti semite cards all day, pretty funny.
Noticing IDF exterminates innocent people = ????
Are you an anti semite?
LOL!!
teddyearp
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As is the United Kingdom. As is China. As is every single square inch of inhabited land on the lanet Earth. Under your newspeak term for conquest by war, "stolen" land, no land inhabited today was not "stolen" from another peoples at one time over the last thousands of years.
But the left these days are fool of re-writers of history and using incitement and rhetoric to do so to invoke this oppressor/oppressed mentality. To wit: if a person is successful, then they must have oppressed and stolen that success from those who are not successful. In other words, this so called Palestinian platform is being preached all over the world now, global intifada anyone?
USAF 2023
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Who were “ the owners?”
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