Since trump continues to lie about the amount of money the US has given to Ukraine, here are the facts

[whitehall]

MSN had Trump and Harris neck and neck before the election. Where did MSN get their information about the U.S. aid to Ukraine? From Harris or old Joe?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

MSN

trump at his cabinet meeting has claimed that the US has given Ukraine over 300 Billion dollars. That is not true. That is a lie. The US has given Ukraine 119 Billion dollars and the EU has given them 138 billion dollars. I cannot understand why trump lies and lies and then doubles down on his lies. Macron had to correct him and I am sure the British PM will have to correct him when he comes to DC. The only people believing his lies are the devoted MAGA cult. The press won't call him out because they are afraid they will be banned. It takes foreign leader or retired or retiring repubs to speak out.

May 10, 2024 — Congress has approved $175 billion of emergency support for Ukraine since 2022, and $53.7 billion has been sent to Ukraine in direct military'

Congressionally Approved Ukraine Aid Totals $175 Billion | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

 

[JimH52]

MSN had Trump and Harris neck and neck before the election. Where did MSN get their information about the U.S. aid to Ukraine? From Harris or old Joe?

trump is lying. You can check any source you want.

 

[Lesh]

Should be ZERO dollars, so stuff your sneering moral relativism where the sun don't shine.

Regardless of your feelings… Trump is lying… again

 

[JimH52]

Regardless of your feelings… Trump is lying… again

And most media outlets let him get away with the lies. I guess they are afraid of the Mafia Boss/Felon.

 

[pknopp]

Regardless of your feelings… Trump is lying… again

One side lies and the other gives away billions. As I pointed out to someone else yesterday, all you are doing is showing how neither side is supportable.

 

[JimH52]

One side lies and the other gives away billions. As I pointed out to someone else yesterday, all you are doing is showing how neither side is supportable.

One side abides by the Constitution. The other side tries to destroy it. Is there a choice, unless you are a Russian plant?

 

[pknopp]

One side abides by the Constitution.

There is nothing in the Constitution about getting involved where we have no business getting involved and giving away billions while there are still millions here suffering daily.

The other side tries to destroy it. Is there a choice, unless you are a Russian plant?

Appeals Court Strikes Down NSA Phone Spying Program in ACLU, NYCLU Lawsuit - NYCLU

 

[JimH52]

There is nothing in the Constitution about getting involved where we have no business getting involved and giving away billions while there are still millions here suffering daily.




Appeals Court Strikes Down NSA Phone Spying Program in ACLU, NYCLU Lawsuit - NYCLU

Providing funding to a country that is trying to keep a dictator from overrunning their nation is not :giving money away."

 

[pknopp]

Providing funding to a country that is trying to keep a dictator from overrunning their nation is not :giving money away."

Yeah well, you know that's hardly the entire story.

But the true believers in both parties refuse to accept the truth.

 

[TimFitz]

MSN

trump at his cabinet meeting has claimed that the US has given Ukraine over 300 Billion dollars. That is not true. That is a lie. The US has given Ukraine 119 Billion dollars and the EU has given them 138 billion dollars. I cannot understand why trump lies and lies and then doubles down on his lies. Macron had to correct him and I am sure the British PM will have to correct him when he comes to DC. The only people believing his lies are the devoted MAGA cult. The press won't call him out because they are afraid they will be banned. It takes foreign leader or retired or retiring repubs to speak out.

The Trumpsters will continue to repeat Trump's lies, just because he said them.

 

[TimFitz]

Should be ZERO dollars, so stuff your sneering moral relativism where the sun don't shine.

So, the US should not be Ronald Reagan's "Shining City on a Hill".

The US should not be a world power.

Moral relativism? WTF?

 

[TimFitz]

Yeah well, you know that's hardly the entire story.

But the true believers in both parties refuse to accept the truth.

That is the entire story.

 

[Lesh]

One side lies and the other gives away billions. As I pointed out to someone else yesterday, all you are doing is showing how neither side is supportable.

You’re equating dishonesty with policies you disagree with.

Those two things are not the same

Not at all

 

[TimFitz]

What lie? He is cutting off the funding no matter how many billions were wasted in dollars and equipment.
312-226, you lost.

What lie?

Take your pick.

Trump claimed that we had given Ukraine $300 billion. That was a lie.

Trump accused Zelinsky of starting the war. That was a flagrant lie.

That's just two of many.

 

[TimFitz]

Since Mikey is a sniveling coward who is afraid of his own fucking shadow, who the fuck cares.

Mickey??? Who is that supposed to be.

 

[pknopp]

You’re equating dishonesty with policies you disagree with.

Those two things C are not the same

Not at all

Obama sent Clapper out to lie to the country under oath. That was not just a simple disagreement with policy.

 

[Lesh]

QUOTE="pknopp, post: 36321495, member: 72370"]
Obama sent Clapper out to lie to the country under oath. That was not just a simple disagreement with policy.
[/QUOTE]
Fine (even if you sound like a Trumper).

That event if accurate is not this.

Focus

 

[Oddball]

So, the US should not be Ronald Reagan's "Shining City on a Hill".

The US should not be a world power.

Moral relativism? WTF?

Do you even know WTF you're blabbering about?

 

[pknopp]

QUOTE="pknopp, post: 36321495, member: 72370"]
Obama sent Clapper out to lie to the country under oath. That was not just a simple disagreement with policy.

Fine (even if you sound like a Trumper).

That even if accurate is not this.

Focus
[/QUOTE]

Me? You are the one defending lies, not me.