Sig P320; Problem

[Leo123]

An agent ean off with his pistol. It did not fire. Theirs did. They shot an unarmed man.

The pistol may have misfired.

 

[toobfreak]

No. Agents shot him.

Let's plug him and see if he's ripe!

 

[Invisibleflash]

The Sig P320 is the gun that Pretti had and the one that probably had an uncommanded discharge that sparked the gunfire and Mr. Pretti's unfortunate death.

Could be. Why anyone would carry that Russian roulette gun is something. Get a G19, G17, Hellcat or Bodyguard 2.0.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The pistol may have misfired.

It didn't. There was no spent casing.

 

[toobfreak]

Could be. Why anyone would carry that Russian roulette gun is something. Get a G19, G17, Hellcat or Bodyguard 2.0.

Pretti was an Ass Clown. When going to a gun fight, don't take a Sig 320, he should have had one of these:

Tavor TS12 Series 12GA Semi-Auto Bullpup Shotgun | IWI US

The TAVOR Tactical 12 gauge shotgun is a gas regulated bullpup that can be configured for either right or left side ejection & operation.

iwi.us

When only the best will do.

 

[Leo123]

It didn't. There was no spent casing.

How do you know that?

 

[Leo123]

How do you know that? Look, from what you posted, you want to claim ICE shot him for no reason. That will be decided in a court of law. Here we are sharing opinions only but your mindset seems to be 'ICE BAD' while ignoring all the other details.

 

[Zincwarrior]

How do you know that?

It would be all over tv

 

[OODA_Loop]

An agent ean off with his pistol. It did not fire. Theirs did. They shot an unarmed man.

Did they all know he was disarmed from the call of gun and it appears and the one second before shots commenced?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Did they all know he was disarmed from the call of gun and it appears and the one second before shots commenced?

THERE YOU GO. Thats what I think happened. Agent 1 shouted gun gun gun and disarmed him an d ran off. The other agents mistook that and fired. Similar shit has happened.

Yes Prizzi or whatever his name was, was an idiot in the first place.

 

[toobfreak]

How do you know that?

He knows nothing. Just another useless assquack.

At this point, all anyone really knows is that:

• Pretti was a paid antagonizer repeat felon carrying a gun.
• Pretti's actions resulted in another brawl, this one ending in a scrum of half a dozen people.
• Somewhere in the resulting melee, something happened to cause officers to fire in self-defense.

Since Pretti went after the officers following them around then inserting himself aggressively antagonizing them while ICE was minding their own business just doing their job until Pretti made a mess of things, Pretti bears all the responsibility.

Too bad he died so that he cannot be charged with obstruction of justice (felony), resisting arrest, destruction of government property (felony), and assaulting federal workers with a deadly weapon (felony).

 

[Leo123]

THERE YOU GO. Thats what I think happened. Agent 1 shouted gun gun gun and disarmed him an d ran off. The other agents mistook that and fired. Similar shit has happened.

Yes Prizzi or whatever his name was, was an idiot in the first place.

I do not discount that either. The thing is, if it goes to court, the agents will have to prove they were in eminent danger even if the Sig misfired and, with all the anti-ICE sentiment voiced by Walz, Frey and loony far left Democrats, the case is already stacked against them.

 

[Leo123]

He knows nothing. Just another useless assquack.

At this point, all anyone really knows is that:

• Pretti was a paid antagonizer repeat felon carrying a gun.
• Pretti's actions resulted in another brawl, this one ending in a scrum of half a dozen people.
• Somewhere in the resulting melee, something happened to cause officers to fire in self-defense.

Since Pretti went after the officers following them around then inserting himself aggressively antagonizing them while ICE was minding their own business just doing their job until Pretti made a mess of things, Pretti bears all the responsibility.

Too bad he died so that he cannot be charged with obstruction of justice (felony), resisting arrest, destruction of government property (felony), and assaulting federal workers with a deadly weapon (felony).

Yes, as I have posted many times, Pretti inserted himself into a law enforcement action. The video clearly shows him running to the woman ICE urged to get out of the way and had to physically push down. I guess he was playing 'white knight' as well as agitator when he got between Ice and their lawful enforcement and for that, he got rightly pepper sprayed and pulled away and to the ground. The whole time he was resisting.

At that point, any sane person would put their hands up and surrender along with informing law enforcement he was carrying a gun. Instead he fought them and reached for his waist when ICE was already informed he had a gun. Apparently Pretti felt emboldened and entitled, probably by Signal chat and the network of anti-Ice protesters with which he was involved.

 

[22lcidw]

An agent ean off with his pistol. It did not fire. Theirs did. They shot an unarmed man.

The new world order government has no place for the Renee Good's and Alex Pretti's of the world. ICE is currently not that. Although it could be used for it eventually. Population reduction is needed. And it is a reality that has to be faced.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I do not discount that either. The thing is, if it goes to court, the agents will have to prove they were in eminent danger even if the Sig misfired and, with all the anti-ICE sentiment voiced by Walz, Frey and loony far left Democrats, the case is already stacked against them.

I strongly doubt it will go to court.

 

[toobfreak]

The thing is, if it goes to court, the agents will have to prove they were in eminent danger

Wrong. How can they PROVE that? All the agents need is for them to perceive or interpret an action as a credible threat to their lives to justify killing that threat.

If a cop says: "I thought my life was in danger," or "I thought he was going to shoot me," you can't turn around and say: "Well, it turned out that he hadn't or wasn't" after the fact since police do not have the luxury of waiting to see if they are right or wrong unless they are willing to risk their lives on a 50/50 decision.

 

[WorldWatcher]

It didn't. There was no spent casing.

Can you source this?

WW

 

[Zincwarrior]

Can you source this?

WW

Noem would have put it all over the airwaves.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Noem would have put it all over the airwaves.

Ah….

Declarative statements of fact that can’t be supported are suspect.

While I agree with the sentiment that DHS would release a ballistic report if the had one, it’s hard to make such a claim lacking evidence.

WW

 

[Leo123]

Wrong. How can they PROVE that? All the agents need is for them to perceive or interpret an action as a credible threat to their lives to justify killing that threat.

If a cop says: "I thought my life was in danger," or "I thought he was going to shoot me," you can't turn around and say: "Well, it turned out that he hadn't or wasn't" after the fact since police do not have the luxury of waiting to see if they are right or wrong unless they are willing to risk their lives on a 50/50 decision.

Yes, but that credible threat has to have support. A slimy lawyer could say that Pretti was disarmed before they fired. IMO, that makes no sense but I have heard some legal eagles put that forth. In this case, I hope Zinc is right and it will never go to court but, with these rogue Democrats, anything is possible.