Sig P320; Problem

[toobfreak]

IMO, The blame starts with Biden letting in millions of illegals then to Walz for allowing an illegal sanctuary city, then to Frey for being a punk then to Pretti for stupidly listening to Marxists telling lies. Pretti obviously had a problem controlling himself as shown by the former video of him kicking out the tail light of a BP vehicle.

Basically, it all comes down to failed, stupid leftist ideology.

 

[Hafar1014]

You don't know that.

Yes I do because there is no evidence that it did happen

 

[Bell Huey]

There is zero evidence of a discharge by Prettis gun. That was a theory. If it did happen then where is the spend shell casing? It doesnt exist.
ITs time to stop making excuses for a wrongful death by poorly trained ICE agents

While there was no reason to shoot Pretti the agents were not poorly trained. They were agents for years.

What they were not trained for was crowd control. If the state of MN and the city of Minneapolis had cops there Pretti may still be alive.

They are just as responsible for the death as the ICE agents. And should be sued as well.

There is a reason Walz is never gonna run for office again.

 

[Hafar1014]

While there was no reason to shoot Pretti the agents were not poorly trained. They were agents for years.

What they were not trained for was crowd control. If the state of MN and the city of Minneapolis had cops there Pretti may still be alive.

They are just as responsible for the death as the ICE agents. And should be sued as well.

There is a reason Walz is never gonna run for office again.

They escalated the situation. Pushing the women down instead of cuffing her. Then they sprayed everyone. What training.

 

[Bell Huey]

They escalated the situation. Pushing the women down instead of cuffing her. Then they sprayed everyone. What training.

Again, they don't have crowd control training. The sanctuary policies of the city and state are as much to blame as ICE is.

Wake and see it. People like you are the problem.

 

[Hafar1014]

Again, they don't have crowd control training. The sanctuary policies of the city and state are as much to blame as ICE is.

Wake and see it. People like you are the problem.

They screwed up they escalated the situation. ICE Is responsible for what they do. Your making poor excuses

 

[WorldWatcher]

The malfunction is well known it just didnt happen here.

You don't know that.

One would think that exculpatory evidence such as:

• A ballistics report showing the firearm had been discharged
• A ballistics report showing the recovered shell casing (which would be standard procedure to collect in an officer involved shooting) matching the shell casing from the firearm
• Crime scene photo of the road pock mark cause by the bullet impact
• [EDIT TO ADD] Said report to include the status of the rounds in the two magazines, if both magazines are full or if one shows a round expended

If such evidence existed DHS would have rused to the microphone in front of cameras to show that there was an accidential discharge from Pretti's firearm.

In addition to Officer Gray's (not his real name but used for the gray coated offcier exiting the scrum with the weapon) reaction to the first shot makes no sense.

WW

 

[Bell Huey]

They screwed up they escalated the situation. ICE Is responsible for what they do. Your making poor excuses

I said as much. I also recognize that the BS sanctuary policies people like you support is just as much responsible.

Until loons like you start recognizing that nothing will change.

 

[Hafar1014]

One would think that exculpatory evidence such as:

• A ballistics report showing the firearm had been discharged
• A ballistics report showing the recovered shell casing (which would be standard procedure to collect in an officer involved shooting) matching the shell casing from the firearm
• Crime scene photo of the road pock mark cause by the bullet impact

If such evidence existed DHS would have rused to the microphone in front of cameras to show that there was an accidential discharge from Pretti's firearm.

In addition to Officer Gray's (not his real name but used for the gray coated offcier exiting the scrum with the weapon) reaction to the first shot makes no sense.

WW

I said as much. I also recognize that the BS sanctuary policies people like you support is just as much responsible.

Until loons like you start recognizing that nothing will change.

Im 100% deport all of them ASAP. When ICE screws up it hurts that goal

 

[Bell Huey]

Im 100% deport all of them ASAP. When ICE screws up it hurts that goal

SO then YOU understand that the state and city failed Pretti as much as ICE did.

Thanks!

 

[Hafar1014]

SO then YOU understand that the state and city failed Pretti as much as ICE did.

Thanks!

Pretti failed he is clearly emotionally disturbed and violent. That doesnt excuse the wrongful use of deadly force which hurts the need to deport all the illegals

 

[Bell Huey]

Pretti failed he is clearly emotionally disturbed and violent. That doesnt excuse the wrongful use of deadly force which hurts the need to deport all the illegals

Never said it did.

Stick to what I post. Do not presume to bother me again until you accept the fact that state and city are also responsible for his death.

Nod.

 

[toobfreak]

While there was no reason to shoot Pretti the agents were not poorly trained.

Exactly, ICE is not for inner city crowd control, ICE is like a SWAT team of commandos there for mostly real bad illegals, gangs, drug cartels, etc., and in every other city away from Frey and the bastard Walz, the local police work with them while they do their business. Walz & Co were actually sending out coordinated gangs of rowdies trying to endlessly obstruct and tie them up.

As to Pretti, his being shot really depends on various factors:

• Pretti was already establishing himself as a violent agitator and offender, not a good way to engender the confidence of any cop.
• Pretti was armed. Another bad way to go into a brawl with police.
• Pretti's gun may have gone off inadvertently in the melee; if so, officers there heard a gun shot and their natural instinct would be to shoot back in self-defense.
• There was like half a dozen there in the scrum, apparently Pretti was putting up quit a fight still refusing to cooperate and someone apparently yelled "gun," or something like that and to a cop, that is like yelling DANGER, and 1-2 cops fired back in self defense, so we can only assume Pretti was harmless and would have remainded so, his actions giving nothing to build that confidence on, and under the circumstances unfortunately, ICE had no choice but to defend themselves first then ask questions later.

I'll be interested to hear whether Pretti's gun had discharged, perhaps in an effort to get it off his person, but the bottom line is don't brawl and fight with any cop, especially if you are carrying, at the very least it is resisting arrest and assault with a deadly weapon, and it is a good way to get yourself killed, because police will always assume the worst if they are to stay alive.

 

[Bell Huey]

Exactly, ICE is not for inner city crowd control, ICE is like a SWAT team of commandos there for mostly real bad illegals, gangs, drug cartels, etc., and in every other city away from Frey and the bastard Walz, the local police work with them while they do their business. Walz & Co were actually sending out coordinated gangs of rowdies trying to endlessly obstruct and tie them up.

As to Pretti, his being shot really depends on various factors:

• Pretti was already establishing himself as a violent agitator and offender, not a good way to engender the confidence of any cop.
• Pretti was armed. Another bad way to go into a brawl with police.
• Pretti's gun may have gone off inadvertently in the melee; if so, officers there heard a gun shot and their natural instinct would be to shoot back in self-defense.
• There was like half a dozen there in the scrum, apparently Pretti was putting up quit a fight still refusing to cooperate and someone apparently yelled "gun," or something like that and to a cop, that is like yelling DANGER, and 1-2 cops fired back in self defense, so we can only assume Pretti was harmless and would have remainded so, his actions giving nothing to build that confidence on, and under the circumstances unfortunately, ICE had no choice but to defend themselves first then ask questions later.

I'll be interested to hear whether Pretti's gun had discharged, perhaps in an effort to get it off his person, but the bottom line is don't brawl and fight with any cop, especially if you are carrying, at the very least it is resisting arrest and assault with a deadly weapon, and it is a good way to get yourself killed, because police will always assume the worst if they are to stay alive.

Another thing that Pretti could have done, though not the law in MN, is once the agents/officers interacted with him he should have told them he was concealed carrying and backed off.

In many states that is the law. And in those where it is not the law is also a courtesy.

 

[toobfreak]

Another thing that Pretti could have done, though not the law in MN, is once the agents/officers interacted with him he should have told them he was concealed carrying and backed off. In many states that is the law. And in those where it is not the law is also a courtesy.

Absolutely. But then, why did he even take a gun to a protest he knew he was going to, one with a unity gain red dot sight and between 20-30 rounds of ammo? Is Minneapolis that dangerous? Was he expecting trouble from his fellow rioters?

Who is left but to expect to want to defend oneself from the ICE themselves? I mean, who needs to carry when surrounded by armed police unless you think the police themselves ARE the threat?

No matter how you view it, Pretti was on a collision course with history as being one stupid mfcker. Another willing puppet to be used by the Left, and for what? For a few criminal aliens and the Mexican cartels.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The Sig P320 is the gun that Pretti had and the one that probably had an uncommanded discharge that sparked the gunfire and Mr. Pretti's unfortunate death.

No. Agents shot him.

 

[Leo123]

No. Agents shot him.

Who said they didn’t?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Who said they didn’t?

The OP. The first shot was an agent shooting Pritzzi.

 

[Leo123]

The OP. The first shot was an agent shooting Pritzzi.

You said ‘agents shot him’ no one disagrees with that. Now you want to argue about the first shot. I provided proof that the Sig is known for uncommanded discharge. You only provide your unsupported opinion.

 

[Zincwarrior]

You said ‘agents shot him’ no one disagrees with that.

An agent ean off with his pistol. It did not fire. Theirs did. They shot an unarmed man.