CDZ Should we hire out our military operations to private companies?

[2aguy]

An interesting article from John Stossel on private military contractors and using them to fight our wars....

A Private Military

The military uses contractors to provide security, deliver mail, rescue soldiers and more. Private contractors often do jobs well, for much less than the government would spend.

"We did a helicopter resupply mission," Prince told me. "We showed up with two helicopters and eight people -- the Navy was doing it with 35 people."

I asked, "Why would the Navy use 35 people?"

Prince answered, "The admiral that says, 'I need 35 people to do that mission,' didn't pay for them. When you get a free good, you use a lot more of it."

Prince also claims the military is slow to adjust. In Afghanistan, it's "using equipment designed to fight the Soviet Union, (not ideal) for finding enemies living in caves or operating from a pickup truck."

I suggested that the government eventually adjusts.

"No, they do not," answered Prince. "In 16 years of warfare, the army never adjusted how they do deployments -- never made them smaller and more nimble. You could actually do all the counter-insurgency missions over Afghanistan with propeller-driven aircraft."

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n 2010, Prince sold his security firm and moved on to other projects.

He persuaded the United Arab Emirates to fund a private anti-pirate force in Somalia. The U.N. called that a "brazen violation" of its arms embargo, but Prince went ahead anyway.

His mercenaries attacked pirates whenever they came near shore. His private army, plus merchant ships finally arming themselves, largely ended piracy in that part of the world. In 2010, Somali pirates took more than a thousand hostages. In 2014, they captured none.


For something like this....at least you could never say the men and women went against their will.......no draft, completely volunteer, and the pay would be a lot better....

 

[cnm]

Absolutely. The US defence forces are too socialist. They should operate on a private market structure for the most efficient allocation of resources and capital.



Milo Minderbinder would like first option.

 

[Disir]

An interesting article from John Stossel on private military contractors and using them to fight our wars....

A Private Military

The military uses contractors to provide security, deliver mail, rescue soldiers and more. Private contractors often do jobs well, for much less than the government would spend.

"We did a helicopter resupply mission," Prince told me. "We showed up with two helicopters and eight people -- the Navy was doing it with 35 people."

I asked, "Why would the Navy use 35 people?"

Prince answered, "The admiral that says, 'I need 35 people to do that mission,' didn't pay for them. When you get a free good, you use a lot more of it."

Prince also claims the military is slow to adjust. In Afghanistan, it's "using equipment designed to fight the Soviet Union, (not ideal) for finding enemies living in caves or operating from a pickup truck."

I suggested that the government eventually adjusts.

"No, they do not," answered Prince. "In 16 years of warfare, the army never adjusted how they do deployments -- never made them smaller and more nimble. You could actually do all the counter-insurgency missions over Afghanistan with propeller-driven aircraft."

------

n 2010, Prince sold his security firm and moved on to other projects.

He persuaded the United Arab Emirates to fund a private anti-pirate force in Somalia. The U.N. called that a "brazen violation" of its arms embargo, but Prince went ahead anyway.

His mercenaries attacked pirates whenever they came near shore. His private army, plus merchant ships finally arming themselves, largely ended piracy in that part of the world. In 2010, Somali pirates took more than a thousand hostages. In 2014, they captured none.


For something like this....at least you could never say the men and women went against their will.......no draft, completely volunteer, and the pay would be a lot better....

Ya, mercenaries have an interesting history. So, no.

 

[Auld Phart]

no

 

[pismoe]

An interesting article from John Stossel on private military contractors and using them to fight our wars....

A Private Military

The military uses contractors to provide security, deliver mail, rescue soldiers and more. Private contractors often do jobs well, for much less than the government would spend.

"We did a helicopter resupply mission," Prince told me. "We showed up with two helicopters and eight people -- the Navy was doing it with 35 people."

I asked, "Why would the Navy use 35 people?"

Prince answered, "The admiral that says, 'I need 35 people to do that mission,' didn't pay for them. When you get a free good, you use a lot more of it."

Prince also claims the military is slow to adjust. In Afghanistan, it's "using equipment designed to fight the Soviet Union, (not ideal) for finding enemies living in caves or operating from a pickup truck."

I suggested that the government eventually adjusts.

"No, they do not," answered Prince. "In 16 years of warfare, the army never adjusted how they do deployments -- never made them smaller and more nimble. You could actually do all the counter-insurgency missions over Afghanistan with propeller-driven aircraft."

------

n 2010, Prince sold his security firm and moved on to other projects.

He persuaded the United Arab Emirates to fund a private anti-pirate force in Somalia. The U.N. called that a "brazen violation" of its arms embargo, but Prince went ahead anyway.

His mercenaries attacked pirates whenever they came near shore. His private army, plus merchant ships finally arming themselves, largely ended piracy in that part of the world. In 2010, Somali pirates took more than a thousand hostages. In 2014, they captured none.


For something like this....at least you could never say the men and women went against their will.......no draft, completely volunteer, and the pay would be a lot better....

Ya, mercenaries have an interesting history. So, no.

---------------------------------------------------------------- already close to mercenary army today isn't it ?? All volunteer , foreigners can sometimes even join and they may get citizenship and other favors . All volunteer military gets perks whether it be healthcare , education , training , maybe citizenship . Isn't it already a MERCENARY Military Disr ??

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

An interesting article from John Stossel on private military contractors and using them to fight our wars....

A Private Military

The military uses contractors to provide security, deliver mail, rescue soldiers and more. Private contractors often do jobs well, for much less than the government would spend.

"We did a helicopter resupply mission," Prince told me. "We showed up with two helicopters and eight people -- the Navy was doing it with 35 people."

I asked, "Why would the Navy use 35 people?"

Prince answered, "The admiral that says, 'I need 35 people to do that mission,' didn't pay for them. When you get a free good, you use a lot more of it."

Prince also claims the military is slow to adjust. In Afghanistan, it's "using equipment designed to fight the Soviet Union, (not ideal) for finding enemies living in caves or operating from a pickup truck."

I suggested that the government eventually adjusts.

"No, they do not," answered Prince. "In 16 years of warfare, the army never adjusted how they do deployments -- never made them smaller and more nimble. You could actually do all the counter-insurgency missions over Afghanistan with propeller-driven aircraft."

------

n 2010, Prince sold his security firm and moved on to other projects.

He persuaded the United Arab Emirates to fund a private anti-pirate force in Somalia. The U.N. called that a "brazen violation" of its arms embargo, but Prince went ahead anyway.

His mercenaries attacked pirates whenever they came near shore. His private army, plus merchant ships finally arming themselves, largely ended piracy in that part of the world. In 2010, Somali pirates took more than a thousand hostages. In 2014, they captured none.


For something like this....at least you could never say the men and women went against their will.......no draft, completely volunteer, and the pay would be a lot better....

On the flip side of this, it's make work for troops trained for readiness . You slim down these jobs, and keep going with other services, you find yourself with an undemanned military, in regards to readiness So there is a middle ground

 

[anotherlife]

Yes. The US military should be private contractors. Also, if so, other countries could hire them. For example, Tibet could hire them against China, Russia could hire them against the Ukraine, Kurdistan could hire them against Turkey, and so on. Would be a much better balance of power.

 

[anotherlife]

An interesting article from John Stossel on private military contractors and using them to fight our wars....

A Private Military

The military uses contractors to provide security, deliver mail, rescue soldiers and more. Private contractors often do jobs well, for much less than the government would spend.

"We did a helicopter resupply mission," Prince told me. "We showed up with two helicopters and eight people -- the Navy was doing it with 35 people."

I asked, "Why would the Navy use 35 people?"

Prince answered, "The admiral that says, 'I need 35 people to do that mission,' didn't pay for them. When you get a free good, you use a lot more of it."

Prince also claims the military is slow to adjust. In Afghanistan, it's "using equipment designed to fight the Soviet Union, (not ideal) for finding enemies living in caves or operating from a pickup truck."

I suggested that the government eventually adjusts.

"No, they do not," answered Prince. "In 16 years of warfare, the army never adjusted how they do deployments -- never made them smaller and more nimble. You could actually do all the counter-insurgency missions over Afghanistan with propeller-driven aircraft."

------

n 2010, Prince sold his security firm and moved on to other projects.

He persuaded the United Arab Emirates to fund a private anti-pirate force in Somalia. The U.N. called that a "brazen violation" of its arms embargo, but Prince went ahead anyway.

His mercenaries attacked pirates whenever they came near shore. His private army, plus merchant ships finally arming themselves, largely ended piracy in that part of the world. In 2010, Somali pirates took more than a thousand hostages. In 2014, they captured none.


For something like this....at least you could never say the men and women went against their will.......no draft, completely volunteer, and the pay would be a lot better....

On the flip side of this, it's make work for troops trained for readiness . You slim down these jobs, and keep going with other services, you find yourself with an undemanned military, in regards to readiness So there is a middle ground

Shouldn't technology make up for that? Such as unmanned vehicles?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

An interesting article from John Stossel on private military contractors and using them to fight our wars....

A Private Military

The military uses contractors to provide security, deliver mail, rescue soldiers and more. Private contractors often do jobs well, for much less than the government would spend.

"We did a helicopter resupply mission," Prince told me. "We showed up with two helicopters and eight people -- the Navy was doing it with 35 people."

I asked, "Why would the Navy use 35 people?"

Prince answered, "The admiral that says, 'I need 35 people to do that mission,' didn't pay for them. When you get a free good, you use a lot more of it."

Prince also claims the military is slow to adjust. In Afghanistan, it's "using equipment designed to fight the Soviet Union, (not ideal) for finding enemies living in caves or operating from a pickup truck."

I suggested that the government eventually adjusts.

"No, they do not," answered Prince. "In 16 years of warfare, the army never adjusted how they do deployments -- never made them smaller and more nimble. You could actually do all the counter-insurgency missions over Afghanistan with propeller-driven aircraft."

------

n 2010, Prince sold his security firm and moved on to other projects.

He persuaded the United Arab Emirates to fund a private anti-pirate force in Somalia. The U.N. called that a "brazen violation" of its arms embargo, but Prince went ahead anyway.

His mercenaries attacked pirates whenever they came near shore. His private army, plus merchant ships finally arming themselves, largely ended piracy in that part of the world. In 2010, Somali pirates took more than a thousand hostages. In 2014, they captured none.


For something like this....at least you could never say the men and women went against their will.......no draft, completely volunteer, and the pay would be a lot better....

On the flip side of this, it's make work for troops trained for readiness . You slim down these jobs, and keep going with other services, you find yourself with an undemanned military, in regards to readiness So there is a middle ground

Shouldn't technology make up for that? Such as unmanned vehicles?

Ssomewhat, sure, good point. But there would still be a balance to strike, no? I would think that we still need boots on the ground when we need them. I empathize with you in thinking, "Let's just try to make that never." I'm a pacifist. But I am also a pragmatist, and I know this world's wars are not done, yet.

 

[anotherlife]

An interesting article from John Stossel on private military contractors and using them to fight our wars....

A Private Military

The military uses contractors to provide security, deliver mail, rescue soldiers and more. Private contractors often do jobs well, for much less than the government would spend.

"We did a helicopter resupply mission," Prince told me. "We showed up with two helicopters and eight people -- the Navy was doing it with 35 people."

I asked, "Why would the Navy use 35 people?"

Prince answered, "The admiral that says, 'I need 35 people to do that mission,' didn't pay for them. When you get a free good, you use a lot more of it."

Prince also claims the military is slow to adjust. In Afghanistan, it's "using equipment designed to fight the Soviet Union, (not ideal) for finding enemies living in caves or operating from a pickup truck."

I suggested that the government eventually adjusts.

"No, they do not," answered Prince. "In 16 years of warfare, the army never adjusted how they do deployments -- never made them smaller and more nimble. You could actually do all the counter-insurgency missions over Afghanistan with propeller-driven aircraft."

------

n 2010, Prince sold his security firm and moved on to other projects.

He persuaded the United Arab Emirates to fund a private anti-pirate force in Somalia. The U.N. called that a "brazen violation" of its arms embargo, but Prince went ahead anyway.

His mercenaries attacked pirates whenever they came near shore. His private army, plus merchant ships finally arming themselves, largely ended piracy in that part of the world. In 2010, Somali pirates took more than a thousand hostages. In 2014, they captured none.


For something like this....at least you could never say the men and women went against their will.......no draft, completely volunteer, and the pay would be a lot better....

On the flip side of this, it's make work for troops trained for readiness . You slim down these jobs, and keep going with other services, you find yourself with an undemanned military, in regards to readiness So there is a middle ground

Shouldn't technology make up for that? Such as unmanned vehicles?

Ssomewhat, sure, good point. But there would still be a balance to strike, no? I would think that we still need boots on the ground when we need them. I empathize with you in thinking, "Let's just try to make that never." I'm a pacifist. But I am also a pragmatist, and I know this world's wars are not done, yet.

I would like to imagine an ISIS scenario. That is usually good, I think. In an ISIS scenario, you have a large local civilian population that supports your enemy, the ISIS. Do more boots on the ground help in that situation? Or is it better to use automated technology? I begin to think, that hunter drones could kill more people, and they don't run the risk of having to go to court for war crimes when CNN decides so.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No

 

[cnm]

For example, Tibet could hire them against China, Russia could hire them against the Ukraine, Kurdistan could hire them against Turkey, and so on.

And of course Turkey could hire them against Turkistan. Too, they should be owned by the president, he'd probably make the best deals...

 

[jillian]

An interesting article from John Stossel on private military contractors and using them to fight our wars....

A Private Military

The military uses contractors to provide security, deliver mail, rescue soldiers and more. Private contractors often do jobs well, for much less than the government would spend.

"We did a helicopter resupply mission," Prince told me. "We showed up with two helicopters and eight people -- the Navy was doing it with 35 people."

I asked, "Why would the Navy use 35 people?"

Prince answered, "The admiral that says, 'I need 35 people to do that mission,' didn't pay for them. When you get a free good, you use a lot more of it."

Prince also claims the military is slow to adjust. In Afghanistan, it's "using equipment designed to fight the Soviet Union, (not ideal) for finding enemies living in caves or operating from a pickup truck."

I suggested that the government eventually adjusts.

"No, they do not," answered Prince. "In 16 years of warfare, the army never adjusted how they do deployments -- never made them smaller and more nimble. You could actually do all the counter-insurgency missions over Afghanistan with propeller-driven aircraft."

------

n 2010, Prince sold his security firm and moved on to other projects.

He persuaded the United Arab Emirates to fund a private anti-pirate force in Somalia. The U.N. called that a "brazen violation" of its arms embargo, but Prince went ahead anyway.

His mercenaries attacked pirates whenever they came near shore. His private army, plus merchant ships finally arming themselves, largely ended piracy in that part of the world. In 2010, Somali pirates took more than a thousand hostages. In 2014, they captured none.


For something like this....at least you could never say the men and women went against their will.......no draft, completely volunteer, and the pay would be a lot better....

no. having an army of mercenaries to enrich the sibling of the betsy duvet's of the world is idiocy.

but if you want the US to be even more of a kleptocracy than trump is turning it into.........

 

[Windparadox]

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The way I see it, the US military is already the private army of the banks and corporations and they like the status quo as they are getting rich on it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

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The way I see it, the US military is already the private army of the banks and corporations and they like the status quo as they are getting rich on it.

Which is fine to some (read: a great) extent , because that is our prosperity and security. That is our national interest, in a capitalist society, which we most definitely are. Of course our military will protect our financial system and our economy (see: oil). As they should.

Those same banks, as much as it may be true that they foment (and ferment) robber barons and incentivize predatory practices, are absolutely necessary to our standard of living.

 

[Disir]

An interesting article from John Stossel on private military contractors and using them to fight our wars....

A Private Military

The military uses contractors to provide security, deliver mail, rescue soldiers and more. Private contractors often do jobs well, for much less than the government would spend.

"We did a helicopter resupply mission," Prince told me. "We showed up with two helicopters and eight people -- the Navy was doing it with 35 people."

I asked, "Why would the Navy use 35 people?"

Prince answered, "The admiral that says, 'I need 35 people to do that mission,' didn't pay for them. When you get a free good, you use a lot more of it."

Prince also claims the military is slow to adjust. In Afghanistan, it's "using equipment designed to fight the Soviet Union, (not ideal) for finding enemies living in caves or operating from a pickup truck."

I suggested that the government eventually adjusts.

"No, they do not," answered Prince. "In 16 years of warfare, the army never adjusted how they do deployments -- never made them smaller and more nimble. You could actually do all the counter-insurgency missions over Afghanistan with propeller-driven aircraft."

------

n 2010, Prince sold his security firm and moved on to other projects.

He persuaded the United Arab Emirates to fund a private anti-pirate force in Somalia. The U.N. called that a "brazen violation" of its arms embargo, but Prince went ahead anyway.

His mercenaries attacked pirates whenever they came near shore. His private army, plus merchant ships finally arming themselves, largely ended piracy in that part of the world. In 2010, Somali pirates took more than a thousand hostages. In 2014, they captured none.


For something like this....at least you could never say the men and women went against their will.......no draft, completely volunteer, and the pay would be a lot better....

Ya, mercenaries have an interesting history. So, no.

---------------------------------------------------------------- already close to mercenary army today isn't it ?? All volunteer , foreigners can sometimes even join and they may get citizenship and other favors . All volunteer military gets perks whether it be healthcare , education , training , maybe citizenship . Isn't it already a MERCENARY Military Disr ??

No. Swords for hire are always for sale. Loyalty is expensive.

 

[Disir]

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The way I see it, the US military is already the private army of the banks and corporations and they like the status quo as they are getting rich on it.

I agree with that. That speaks more to the leadership and the level of propaganda they kick out.

 

[JakeStarkey]

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The way I see it, the US military is already the private army of the banks and corporations and they like the status quo as they are getting rich on it.

Which is fine to some (read: a great) extent , because that is our prosperity and security. That is our national interest, in a capitalist society, which we most definitely are. Of course our military will protect our financial systeTham and our economy (see: oil). As they should.

Those same banks, as much as it may be true that they foment (and ferment) robber barons and incentivize predatory practices, are absolutely necessary to our standard of living.

. . . which has nothing to do with the OP.

We do hire out some military activities, including operations, to mercenaries American and locals overseas.

The more we enrich and grow the private military industry, the more we are growing a threat to America with American money.

 

[TNHarley]

OMG no

 

[pismoe]

An interesting article from John Stossel on private military contractors and using them to fight our wars....

A Private Military

The military uses contractors to provide security, deliver mail, rescue soldiers and more. Private contractors often do jobs well, for much less than the government would spend.

"We did a helicopter resupply mission," Prince told me. "We showed up with two helicopters and eight people -- the Navy was doing it with 35 people."

I asked, "Why would the Navy use 35 people?"

Prince answered, "The admiral that says, 'I need 35 people to do that mission,' didn't pay for them. When you get a free good, you use a lot more of it."

Prince also claims the military is slow to adjust. In Afghanistan, it's "using equipment designed to fight the Soviet Union, (not ideal) for finding enemies living in caves or operating from a pickup truck."

I suggested that the government eventually adjusts.

"No, they do not," answered Prince. "In 16 years of warfare, the army never adjusted how they do deployments -- never made them smaller and more nimble. You could actually do all the counter-insurgency missions over Afghanistan with propeller-driven aircraft."

------

n 2010, Prince sold his security firm and moved on to other projects.

He persuaded the United Arab Emirates to fund a private anti-pirate force in Somalia. The U.N. called that a "brazen violation" of its arms embargo, but Prince went ahead anyway.

His mercenaries attacked pirates whenever they came near shore. His private army, plus merchant ships finally arming themselves, largely ended piracy in that part of the world. In 2010, Somali pirates took more than a thousand hostages. In 2014, they captured none.


For something like this....at least you could never say the men and women went against their will.......no draft, completely volunteer, and the pay would be a lot better....

Ya, mercenaries have an interesting history. So, no.

---------------------------------------------------------------- already close to mercenary army today isn't it ?? All volunteer , foreigners can sometimes even join and they may get citizenship and other favors . All volunteer military gets perks whether it be healthcare , education , training , maybe citizenship . Isn't it already a MERCENARY Military Disr ??

No. Swords for hire are always for sale. Loyalty is expensive.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mercenaries are dangerous , after all they work for the 'king' or government and they will kill or fight anyone for money or rewards if they are ordered to Disir .