Should This Guy Really Go To Jail For Defending Himself From A Thug??

[Vrenn]

Bullsh#t. The guy is responsible for every round that leaves his weapon. He should have aimed better, checked the background better, and made the better "shoot/don't shoot" decision, we permit carriers were schooled in, when we were trained. If incompetent to handle the responsibility, he should not have been carrying.

Amen.

 

[Ordinary Guy]

No. If the perp was leaving, he had no legal right to shoot after him, because at that point it was no longer self-defense.

I guess the perp though more of that man's money than he did his life

 

[Justin Richardson]

What I would like to know, what prompted him to shoot a 9-year old girl? She was just there at the wrong time. No need for that.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Bad shot for sure…but DAMN!
These dark people shitholes are becoming more gangsta by the day…Living in a dark people shithole is like living in a video game or Mogadishu these days.
Because, because, because….POVERTY made them do it.

If it wasn't poverty, what was it??

Being dark people??

Or is that too blatant on the racism scale?

Let's just blame it on Democrats.....deal?

Which would also mean that the color of the criminals shouldn't matter -- since Democrats causes people to be criminals no matter their color right?

 

[hadit]

No, I think you folks are not very consistent with your "good guy with a gun" rhetoric....and I notice the pattern

You're not very good at noticing patterns, then, because THIS example, which YOU provided, is the wrong use of a weapon and I doubt you will find many that will say it isn't.

 

[martybegan]

No, I think you folks are not very consistent with your "good guy with a gun" rhetoric....and I notice the pattern

Things like this happen far less often than the bad guy going down all on his own.

And before you think Police don't fuck up like this either:

NYPD: 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

What I would like to know, what prompted him to shoot a 9-year old girl? She was just there at the wrong time. No need for that.

She was a passenger in a vehicle whom the shooter mistakenly believed the robber got into

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

You're not very good at noticing patterns, then, because THIS example, which YOU provided, is the wrong use of a weapon and I doubt you will find many that will say it isn't.

Except, I have found many who will say it is...and a few will be on this post....and you will ignore them

Which is the point....

You can try to pass off your anecdotal viewpoint off as if that erases my point...but it doesn't

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Things like this happen far less often than the bad guy going down all on his own.

And before you think Police don't fuck up like this either:

NYPD: 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire

Impossible, police screw up??

What do you think should happen to them?

 

[martybegan]

Impossible, police screw up??

What do you think should happen to them?

Of course they do, but this is just a counter to your implied snark that somehow civilians can't be responsible enough to carry on their own.

The police were cleared of any wrongdoing, of course.

 

[Ringel05]

Way to let the robber off the hook, asshole. You're sick.

The reality is if the threat is retreating (running away) and has stopped becoming a threat you can not shoot at him/her by law. Too many people don't know this which is why we end up with situations like this. It has nothing to do with "letting the robber of the hook". Learn the Use of Force Continuum, that's what the courts consider in all deadly encounters whether it's alleged self defense or not.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Of course they do, but this is just a counter to your implied snark that somehow civilians can't be responsible enough to carry on their own.

The police were cleared of any wrongdoing, of course.

So are you saying if this was a cop who shot the little girl instead -- because of "screwing up" they should be cleared too??

If so.....why is it out of the question to demand this guy be cleared of wrongdoing??

And if you folks are so willing to give police a pass -- why not insist the police be held to a higher standard because of that pass you give them??

 

[hadit]

Except, I have found many who will say it is...and a few will be on this post....and you will ignore them

Which is the point....

You can try to pass off your anecdotal viewpoint off as if that erases my point...but it doesn't

Why should I give the time of day to someone who justifies shooting someone else who is fleeing the area? That would be like justifying Rittenhouse's pursuers for chasing him and attempting to kill him.

The anecdote is what you provided, the one that you are trying to use to prove something or other, and it's a bad example. Now if you posted an article about someone who killed a thug who approached him with a gun, you could have a real discussion. The reality is, using weapons for self-defense requires the situation to be self-defense and shooting after a fleeing robber is not self-defense.

 

[hadit]

The reality is if the threat is retreating (running away) and has stopped becoming a threat you can not shoot at him/her by law. Too many people don't know this which is why we end up with situations like this. It has nothing to do with "letting the robber of the hook". Learn the Use of Force Continuum, that's what the courts consider in all deadly encounters whether it's alleged self defense or not.

This guy will be charged with a crime, and likely will be convicted. What he did is not self-defense.

 

[whitehall]

Negligent homicide regardless of his intent.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Why should I give the time of day to someone who justifies shooting someone else who is fleeing the area? That would be like justifying Rittenhouse's pursuers for chasing him and attempting to kill him.

The anecdote is what you provided, the one that you are trying to use to prove something or other, and it's a bad example. Now if you posted an article about someone who killed a thug who approached him with a gun, you could have a real discussion. The reality is, using weapons for self-defense requires the situation to be self-defense and shooting after a fleeing robber is not self-defense.

Well, I did post an article about some thugs approaching someone with a gun...and they killing him....

Ironically enough, tons and tons of people on this very message board sided with the thugs on that one.....funny how that works...but as I said...I notice the pattern

 

[Blues Man]

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article258421183.html

"A man who had just been robbed at gunpoint at an ATM in southeast Houston opened fire in an attempt to stop his attacker but instead shot and wounded a 9-year-old girl in a truck driving nearby, police said. The girl remained hospitalized in critical condition after the shooting Monday evening, police said. [She later died]. The 41-year-old man who shot her was arrested and is expected to be charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, police said in a statement Tuesday.

She is the second 9-year-old girl to be shot in Houston within a week. Ashanti Grant remains hospitalized after being shot in the head during a road rage attack Feb. 8. In Monday’s shooting, the man and his wife were at the ATM at around 9:45 p.m. when another man walked up to their vehicle and robbed them at gunpoint, Slinkard said. As the suspect fled on foot, the man got out of his vehicle and opened fire, including at a pickup truck he thought the robbery suspect had climbed into, police said. But the truck carrying a family of five was not involved and had been “simply driving” down a street near the ATM, Slinkard said."

On one hand, you would want a man to be able to defend himself, his family and his property from criminals..so he had every right to go after this guy...however, he made the mistake of shooting at the wrong car...and a little girl got it.... It was an honest mistake, is it not? Sometimes you have collateral damage when there is a war...and there is a war on crime going on right now; this guy was just fighting back....he had to make a split second decision and this accident happened...Should he be charged with murder/manslaughter or no?

If he is ultimately charged with murder, won't this send the wrong message to the rest of us?? For example, you see someone trying to rob a person..and running off with that person's property....you shoot at the robber to try to stop his escape...and one of the bullets hit someone else - why should the law-biding citizen be charged in that scenario??

If he couldn't fire at the thief without endangering the public he shouldn't have fired.

It's called situational awareness.

Is a little girl's life worth the 2oo bucks he lost?

Firing in self defense has to be reserved for when your life or physical well being is on the line. A guy running away after snatching your wallet is no longer a threat to your life or physical safety

 

[martybegan]

So are you saying if this was a cop who shot the little girl instead -- because of "screwing up" they should be cleared too??

If so.....why is it out of the question to demand this guy be cleared of wrongdoing??

And if you folks are so willing to give police a pass -- why not insist the police be held to a higher standard because of that pass you give them??

If the girl's parents were Trump supporters you would be all for it.

You are trying to get 2nd amendment people to either clear him, thereby you can call them nutters, or say he should be prosecuted, thereby showing civilians don't have the training or responsibility needed to concealed carry or carry. You are going for a transparent gotcha moment.

Most RKBA supporters want to hold police to a higher standard, recently its progressives that are all in with police force as long as its against the "right" people, and paradoxically against funding the police when they try to do things progressives don't like.

You can stop trying to be slick now, you've been called out and found wanting.

 

[Ringel05]

This guy will be charged with a crime, and likely will be convicted. What he did is not self-defense.

Exactly. The threat was no longer there but still he opened fire which resulted in a death. Like you said he will most likely be convicted.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article258421183.html

"A man who had just been robbed at gunpoint at an ATM in southeast Houston opened fire in an attempt to stop his attacker but instead shot and wounded a 9-year-old girl in a truck driving nearby, police said. The girl remained hospitalized in critical condition after the shooting Monday evening, police said. [She later died]. The 41-year-old man who shot her was arrested and is expected to be charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, police said in a statement Tuesday.

She is the second 9-year-old girl to be shot in Houston within a week. Ashanti Grant remains hospitalized after being shot in the head during a road rage attack Feb. 8. In Monday’s shooting, the man and his wife were at the ATM at around 9:45 p.m. when another man walked up to their vehicle and robbed them at gunpoint, Slinkard said. As the suspect fled on foot, the man got out of his vehicle and opened fire, including at a pickup truck he thought the robbery suspect had climbed into, police said. But the truck carrying a family of five was not involved and had been “simply driving” down a street near the ATM, Slinkard said."

On one hand, you would want a man to be able to defend himself, his family and his property from criminals..so he had every right to go after this guy...however, he made the mistake of shooting at the wrong car...and a little girl got it.... It was an honest mistake, is it not? Sometimes you have collateral damage when there is a war...and there is a war on crime going on right now; this guy was just fighting back....he had to make a split second decision and this accident happened...Should he be charged with murder/manslaughter or no?

If he is ultimately charged with murder, won't this send the wrong message to the rest of us?? For example, you see someone trying to rob a person..and running off with that person's property....you shoot at the robber to try to stop his escape...and one of the bullets hit someone else - why should the law-biding citizen be charged in that scenario??

I pray that one day you will live in a county more to your liking where only the government Good Guys are armed. There are many options currently available, why the hesitancy to move there?