should Ray Epps be arrested ?

[Faun]

Pence should have sent the election back to the states to count real votes. He has that right. Arizona and Wisconsin are about to toss the 2020 election results.. this isn’t good for America.. trump won. You’re causing a insurrection. Not us .. saying Biden won is causing violence

The Constitution doesn't allow for that:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

... that was done. The next step falls upon Congress, which by law, occurs on January 6th, following a presidential election...

-The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;​

Had Pence sent them back, they wouldn't have been opened and counted in accordance with the Constitution and the law.​

 

[45thPatriot]

The Constitution doesn't allow for that:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;​

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... that was done. The next step falls upon Congress, which by law, occurs on January 6th, following a presidential election...​

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-The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;​

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Had Pence sent them back, they wouldn't have been opened and counted in accordance with the Constitution and the law.​

Pence could go to jail for accepting those fake votes. Either way trump has to be put back in to power . Democrats cheated

 

[Magnus]

hundreds have been arrested for their actions during the violence committed on Jan 6th ....but for some strange reason one man [ Ray Epps] seen on video inciteming the crowd to commit violence has not been arrested ! why arent dems and dem leaders demanding Epps be brought in ? why isnt he in jail with the rest who trespassed into the capital ?

From what I read, this guy, Ray Epps, was a Rump supporter who did travel to Washington to back Rump, was taped urging people to go to the Capitol and was there on the day of the assault.

Subsequently, when the FBI issued a look-out warrant for him, he surrendered.

Rump then turned on his own supporter and claimed he was part of the FBI. But then, what do expect from the orange douche bag? That's what the dirt bag always does. Throws his supporters under the bus.

But to answer your question, if you want this guy to be arrested and you have information that will lead to his incarceration, why don't you talk to the Feds?

Be my guest. I don't think any Dems will object. That will teach this Epps guy about following a loser.

Heck, I will go further. Even if this guy is innocent of all the charges, throws his butt in jail. Anyone stupid enough to wear that idiotic Rump cap in public needs to be hauled to prison.

 

[45thPatriot]

From what I read, this guy, Ray Epps, was a Rump supporter who did travel to Washington to back Rump, was taped urging people to go to the Capitol and was there on the day of the assault.

Subsequently, when the FBI issued a look-out warrant for him, he surrendered.

Rump then turned on his own supporter and claimed he was part of the FBI. But then, what do expect from the orange douche bag? That's what the dirt bag always does. Throws his supporters under the bus.

But to answer your question, if you want this guy to be arrested and you have information that will lead to his incarceration, why don't you talk to the Feds?

Be my guest. I don't think any Dems will object. That will teach this Epps guy about following a loser.

Heck, I will go further. Even if this guy is innocent of all the charges, throws his butt in jail. Anyone stupid enough to wear that idiotic Rump cap in public needs to be hauled to prison.

Many trump supporters are set up, look at the charges that were dropped in the governor of Michigan fake kidnapping charges. they Infiltrated the proud boys, oath keepers, patriot front.. but never the most violent hate groups .. Antifa and Black Lives Matter

 

[Faun]

Pence could go to jail for accepting those fake votes. Either way trump has to be put back in to power . Democrats cheated

A pity for you there's no proof Democrats cheated. Fortunately for Pence, he didn't accept any fake votes. Instead, he followed the letter of the Constitution and performed his role patriotically. So what should happen to the people involved in trying to submit fake electors to Congress? Should they go to jail?

 

[Skylar]

hundreds have been arrested for their actions during the violence committed on Jan 6th ....but for some strange reason one man [ Ray Epps] seen on video inciteming the crowd to commit violence has not been arrested ! why arent dems and dem leaders demanding Epps be brought in ? why isnt he in jail with the rest who trespassed into the capital ?

For what exactly? And who is claiming he incited violence. Your video doesn't show this.

And who is claiming that Ray Epps was in the capitol on January 6th?

 

[Skylar]

Pence could go to jail for accepting those fake votes. Either way trump has to be put back in to power . Democrats cheated

What fake votes? The electors that Pence certified were EXACTLY who the states certified and sent to the capitol for the electoral college.

 

[Lesh]

What fake votes? The electors that Pence certified were EXACTLY who the states certified and sent to the capitol for the electoral college.

And the idiots involved in the fake electors scandal are gonna see the inside of a court room

 

[Skylar]

And the idiots involved in the fake electors scandal are gonna see the inside of a court room

As they should. Forging documents to fraudulently claim to be the duly elected electors from a State you're not.......as part of an illegal plot to overturn an election is a crime that should be taken very seriously.

 

[Rigby5]

Epps did not incite them to violence. And he never entered the Capitol.

Why are you parroting lies?

He still entered restricted ground and encouraged those who did enter the capital.
{...
but Epps was later filmed well inside the forbidden zone, as was Genco. But of the two, only Genco was charged with a sole count of trespassing on restricted Capitol grounds. She faces up to a year in prison if convicted.

Prosecutors presented a single frame of video footage showing Genco walking on restricted Capitol grounds in their criminal complaint. Epps was also filmed on the steps of the Capitol building in front of a police line, well inside the restricted area.

"We're holding ground — we're not trying to get people hurt," Epps was filmed telling the rioter while standing on restricted Capitol grounds.
...}

Ray Epps uncharged in Capitol riot, but feds arrested woman engaged in similar conduct

Defenders of Ray Epps contend he has not been arrested because he didn’t break the law during the Capitol riot, but a woman caught on video standing next to him is facing up to a year in prison for being in a “restricted area” — something Epps was also filmed doing. Raechel Genco was seen […]

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Rigby5]

The Constitution doesn't allow for that:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;​

​

​

... that was done. The next step falls upon Congress, which by law, occurs on January 6th, following a presidential election...​

​

-The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;​

​

Had Pence sent them back, they wouldn't have been opened and counted in accordance with the Constitution and the law.​

The Constitution does not allow for voting machines either, and it is well known how easily they can be rigged.

 

[Rigby5]

For what exactly? And who is claiming he incited violence. Your video doesn't show this.

And who is claiming that Ray Epps was in the capitol on January 6th?

Epps wanted people to go INSIDE the capital, even though that was not possible without violence.
Epps was videoed on restricted ground, regardless of it being outside.

 

[Skylar]

He still entered restricted ground and encouraged those who did enter the capital.

Says who?

Him encouraging people to go into the Capitol was on January 5th. And by all accounts, he didn't go into the Capitol on January 6th, or encourage anyone to do so on January 6th.

To the contrary, he tried to talk a young man named Ryan Samsel OUT of attacking police doing so. According to both Epps and the young man.

What crime would he be charged with?

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but Epps was later filmed well inside the forbidden zone, as was Genco. But of the two, only Genco was charged with a sole count of trespassing on restricted Capitol grounds. She faces up to a year in prison if convicted.

I think you're citing a Washington Examiner article. But while they have images of folks outside the capitol, the article doesn't show the video of Epps inside the capitol.

I haven't been able to find it. I even went to Genco's court documents. They don't show any pictures of Epps breaking the law that I was able to find:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.227504/gov.uscourts.dcd.227504.1.1_1.pdf

Why then is the right so fixated on this dude?

 

[Skylar]

Epps wanted people to go INSIDE the capital, even though that was not possible without violence.
Epps was videoed on restricted ground, regardless of it being outside.

Epps is on video telling people to go into the capitol on January 5th. The day before the insurrection.

 

[Skylar]

The Constitution does not allow for voting machines either, and it is well known how easily they can be rigged.

The actual constitution? Or the imaginary one you regularly cite where the 1st amendment restricting people.....despite the constitution saying it restricts congress.

Your 'citations' of the constitution are as often make up as not.

 

[Faun]

He still entered restricted ground and encouraged those who did enter the capital.
{...
but Epps was later filmed well inside the forbidden zone, as was Genco. But of the two, only Genco was charged with a sole count of trespassing on restricted Capitol grounds. She faces up to a year in prison if convicted.

Prosecutors presented a single frame of video footage showing Genco walking on restricted Capitol grounds in their criminal complaint. Epps was also filmed on the steps of the Capitol building in front of a police line, well inside the restricted area.

"We're holding ground — we're not trying to get people hurt," Epps was filmed telling the rioter while standing on restricted Capitol grounds.
...}

Ray Epps uncharged in Capitol riot, but feds arrested woman engaged in similar conduct

Defenders of Ray Epps contend he has not been arrested because he didn’t break the law during the Capitol riot, but a woman caught on video standing next to him is facing up to a year in prison for being in a “restricted area” — something Epps was also filmed doing. Raechel Genco was seen […]

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Show Epps going past the police barricade...

 

[45thPatriot]

A pity for you there's no proof Democrats cheated. Fortunately for Pence, he didn't accept any fake votes. Instead, he followed the letter of the Constitution and performed his role patriotically. So what should happen to the people involved in trying to submit fake electors to Congress? Should they go to jail?

Kari lake and Doug Mastraonie are going to win and throw out all fake votes giving trump the win. And other states will follow.

 

[Faun]

The Constitution does not allow for voting machines either, and it is well known how easily they can be rigged.

Great, quote the Constitution banning voting machines.

 

[45thPatriot]

What fake votes? The electors that Pence certified were EXACTLY who the states certified and sent to the capitol for the electoral college.

They accepted from the wrong electors .. trump won

 

[Skylar]

Epps wanted people to go INSIDE the capital, even though that was not possible without violence.

He told people to go into the capitol on January 5th. And he advcoated no violence to do so.

Its virtually impossible to prove 'incitement to violence' with a night's sleep between the supposed 'incitement' and the act of violence. Especially when he never advocated any act of violence.

On January 6th Epps tried to talk Ryan Samsel OUT of attacking cops. Says who? Says both Epps AND Ryan Samsel.

How is that a crime?

Epps was videoed on restricted ground, regardless of it being outside.

Says who? The Washington Examiner article you quoted SAYS that, but it doesn't show a single frame of video to back it up. The Washington Examiner pulled all their images from the court docs for Samsel and his girlfriend Genco. None of which show Epps committing any crime.

Don't take my word for it. Here's the actual court docs, with pics:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.227504/gov.uscourts.dcd.227504.1.1_1.pdf