Should most of the colleges in the US be closed?

[surada]

How many of us expected to live this long? Some of us made it to this age not because of what we did but for what we did not do. But that is a minor point. What about those kids that have our genes? Will they go to college and be so entitled and brainwashed that they will shoot someone in the back because of what they learned? I hope not.

Did you go to college?

 

[flewism]

The University of Texas is a for profit entity?

"$271 million
The University of Texas at Austin generates revenue from hospitals and clinic fees, federal- and state-sponsored programs, state appropriations, investment income, gifts, educational activities, and enterprises1. During FY2023, the university reported a total operating revenue of more than $271 million, the largest single-year total since the NCAA began its current financial reporting system in 200523. The majority of academic core funding comes from tuition, state funding, and distributions from the Available University Fund4."

You actually believe that higher education is not a for-profit entity. There be money to be made edumacating the nation's youth LOL.

 

[Zincwarrior]

"$271 million
The University of Texas at Austin generates revenue from hospitals and clinic fees, federal- and state-sponsored programs, state appropriations, investment income, gifts, educational activities, and enterprises1. During FY2023, the university reported a total operating revenue of more than $271 million, the largest single-year total since the NCAA began its current financial reporting system in 200523. The majority of academic core funding comes from tuition, state funding, and distributions from the Available University Fund4."

You actually believe that higher education is not a for-profit entity. There be money to be made edumacating the nation's youth LOL.

You believe the state of Texas is a for profit enterprise then?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

What was the status of education in the public prior to public education.

In 1920s most st people just went thru 8th grade and quit.

So, don’t be try to sell those magic beans fuckup

What is a magic bean fuckup?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So are today's 8th graders more literate?

Both of my parents grew up in the Depression. Dad made it 5th grade, and Mom made it to 7th. My Dad had the math skills of a college graduate, and my Mom could balance a check book. Neither had impressive reading skills, but they taught me to read at age 3. Today's 8th graders are light years better than my parents born in 1921 and 1929.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That's because most rural schools 8th grade was the last grade. 'High schools' were usually specialist schools, like for trades and business courses. Passing 8th grade wasn't as easy then as it is now. Hence the old country song bragging about having an 8th grade education and being wrong to 'be treating him that away'. Most 'apprenticeships' began at 12, i.e. 6th grade, which is where most kids stopped regular schooling.

If you were educated you would know this.

Yeah, there were lots of apprenticeships on the tobacco farms in southern KY where my parents grew up.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In the 1960's we put men on the moon. Again, what were the American scholastic standards before and after the Education Department was created? The context here is your contempt for what we would return to if we abolished it. My statement is that we did as well or better before it was created, so there's little reason to think we would do worse if we did away with it.

Check the achievement of poor and black kids in Mississippi, Arkansas and Louisiana before making your judgement.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes, the average 8th grade graduate would indeed laugh their asses off at you and your lack of an eduction.

OMG, we trotted out the equivalent of the high school graduation exam from the 1950s from a school system that only went through the eighth grade in a county just outside the largest city in the state. Guess what? I was teaching in that very school district when I retired!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You can't read and process data at all. You need to further your own education before babbling rubbish about anybody else's.

What he is saying is absolute facts, that you can't seem to handle.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My kids had zero choices upon turning 18. They HAD to attend a 4 year university and complete their degrees. There were no other possible avenues. It served them all well. And I'm sure shutting them down would surely mean good doctors, engineers, and other higher paid professionals. Well, maybe not.

I'm sorry your kids did not have any choices. My oldest married a sailor and had kids. She is now a highly qualified paramedic and training director for her county EMS. My son graduated high school and joined the military, like I did. He is now a disabled veteran after serving in Afghanistan. My youngest went to college by way of an Army scholarship. She now works for an EV battery company handling logistics for their factory. All three are happy, in good relationships, and were free to pursue anything they wanted to do because they got an excellent education. Two of the three have degrees and the other was working on it when he fell ill.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Did our education system produce better results before or after the department was created? That's the bottom line.

I work in IT. If I convince the leadership of a company that they would be better served with a massively expensive new computer architecture and their mission critical software ran slower than it did and had more bugs causing problems than before, do I get a promotion or get fired? Does the leadership of the company sneer contemptuously at the architecture they had before, claiming they would go back to cave man days if they trashed the expensive, unwieldly, poorly performing architecture I convinced them to adopt, or would they immediately move to jettison the problem?

Or would they, like the usual suspects on here, be so emotionally welded to the new architecture that they would refuse any attempts to streamline it, debug it, and increase performance, to the point of replacing the whole thing?

Do you honestly think states want to go back to their racist, prejudiced educational systems that kept the poor, handicapped, and minorities in a lower class forever? That's how it was in 1980 when the Education Department came into being. I know it was because I graduated high school in 1978.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, you asked what the Education Department does, not what the Department of Energy. The Education Department is the federal government's education bureaucracy, and the question is whether we would be better off keeping it or discarding it. It's been around long enough to know, and I'm asking if the educational results we're getting after it was created are better than the ones we were getting before it was created. That's a fairly simple question, what are we getting for $90 billion?

I cannot think of a better example of an apples or oranges type of question. better yet, it should be apples and watermelons. 1970s education comes nowhere near the education kids receive today. That $90 billion is mostly student loans. Did you realize that?

 

[Picaro]

Yeah, there were lots of apprenticeships on the tobacco farms in southern KY where my parents grew up.

So you don't know history either; figures.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yeah, young maga fuckups hope to be the next mass murder shooter like their idols from Buffalo, El Paso and the florida night club killer.

You simply need to take that word out of your vocabulary because you make great posts about education and then you screw up and use a word of which you don't know the meaning.

 

[Picaro]

What he is saying is absolute facts, that you can't seem to handle.

You mean the facts that most of the states he babbled about being 'red' have some of the largest black and brown populations in the country, but like you we're supposed to pretend that isn't part of the reason why their education levels are so low? Your own racism is showing. His 'facts' were decidedly incomplete at best, just idiot noise.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

"$271 million
The University of Texas at Austin generates revenue from hospitals and clinic fees, federal- and state-sponsored programs, state appropriations, investment income, gifts, educational activities, and enterprises1. During FY2023, the university reported a total operating revenue of more than $271 million, the largest single-year total since the NCAA began its current financial reporting system in 200523. The majority of academic core funding comes from tuition, state funding, and distributions from the Available University Fund4."

You actually believe that higher education is not a for-profit entity. There be money to be made edumacating the nation's youth LOL.

That school belongs to the state of Texas.

 

[Picaro]

OMG, we trotted out the equivalent of the high school graduation exam from the 1950s from a school system that only went through the eighth grade in a county just outside the largest city in the state. Guess what? I was teaching in that very school district when I retired!

You missed it by several decades, goofy. Apparently you didn't have to read well to be a teacher in your decades.

 

[Picaro]

"$271 million
The University of Texas at Austin generates revenue from hospitals and clinic fees, federal- and state-sponsored programs, state appropriations, investment income, gifts, educational activities, and enterprises1. During FY2023, the university reported a total operating revenue of more than $271 million, the largest single-year total since the NCAA began its current financial reporting system in 200523. The majority of academic core funding comes from tuition, state funding, and distributions from the Available University Fund4."

You actually believe that higher education is not a for-profit entity. There be money to be made edumacating the nation's youth LOL.

And they get over $1 billion a year in oil royalties. They were given a huge land grant as a fund to finance the system, land that later turned out to be on top of huge oil fields.

 

[Picaro]

Yeah, there were lots of apprenticeships on the tobacco farms in southern KY where my parents grew up.

Apparently you started smoking very young, causing oxygen deprivation.

 

[otto105]

You simply need to take that word out of your vocabulary because you make great posts about education and then you screw up and use a word of which you don't know the meaning.

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If you have been paying attention to maga (especially young men) they have distain for higher education.