Oz and the Orchestra
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Thought you said the guy with a confederate flag (why do you assume he is a Confederate) was running down the road. But no matter as I said in the last post. Don't know what the laws are in America thought you said you didn't have any hate laws!A fight has nothing to do with freedom of expression. I don't believe you when you say the white guy is always at fault and would think like here both would be arrested regardless of who started it.We used to have Freedom of Expression as a written guarantee in this country. Since you don't have it, I realize you cannot relate to the question except to the extent that it is not unusual for a non-white to provoke a fight. Still, it is always the white guy's fault in the NEW WORLD ORDER.It depends partly on whether the Confederate flag is illegal, don't think it is here, But the non white guy would be arrested regardless for any one of a number of offences including attempted murder. At best he could hope for mitigating circumstances alleging he was provoked by a racist and it would be up to the jury to decide whether it was mitigation and to what degree But it would be unlikely to save him from a prison sentence.But people who don't engage in racist rhetoric, bigotry, or in any perceivable hate, are still being attacked and accused of doing so.Because they’re frightened and ignorant.You can argue with anyone about practically anything.NewsVine was referring to meWhere did I call you a troll?No they prosecute people for making statements that are Racially offensive.I voted yea cos it already is in the UK and most of Europe and fukc your constitution it is about time America entered the 21st century.I would love to hear the pros and cons on this because I believe this is something that will be broached eventually. Also curious on your thoughts on how it can be proven, although I imagine that is something that could be part of the statute itself.
Please indicate why you voted as you did. Thank you...
what is in the UK? How do they define "OVERT RACISM" in the UK?
Do they put people in Prison for describing Pakistanis as "brown"-----or
even Iranians who VOMIT at the thought that they may not be considered
ARYAN even though they goosestep? IN the UK do they put Iranians in
jail for hating arabs?
Also anti-Religious or Homophobic. Such cases would need to have a threat of violence.
Example:-
"You Black b******* STFU or I'll k*** your head in, you comie f*****!" Could easily land you in court and rightly so.
oh ok so what is the argument? We, in the USA, could do that but it might
put a damper on some of the "hip-hop" music. What about the religion thing?
Do you have to keep silent about disbelief of any and all creeds?
You can't though make derogatory remarks about a persons Race, Religion, Creed, Colour, Gender. Sexuality.
But then why would anybody want to?
Racism, bigotry, and hate are the consequence of fear and ignorance; racist rhetoric is comprehensively ignorant and motivated by fear – such as the unwarranted fear that a given minority will ‘take over’ and ‘replace’ whites.
And you can’t combat fear and ignorance with criminal prosecution – that will only fan the flames of racism and hate.
And if you're already doing the time, then you might as well do the crime.
Here's a scenario for you; a bunch of white guys ask themselves, what do we do about these rioters out in front of our houses? One guy says what will happen to us if we go out there with pick handles and baseball bats and run them the fuck out of here? Answer; OMG, we'd all be demonized as violent racists, oh wait......
If you're going to be labeled it no matter what, then fuck it........why put up with any shit at all?
I think you've expressed a lot of my personal sentiments right there.
Like everyone else I have my preferences, beliefs, etc. and don't shove them down other peoples throat. So, let me apply the laws to you in a hypothetical:
Suppose a white guy with a Confederate flag is run off the road by a non-white. They get into a tiff and the cops come along. So, did the fight happen because the guy with a Confederate flag "hate" non-whites OR was the result a fight ensued due to the fact that the non-white guy was an asshole and then made matters worse by engaging in mutual combat?
Running down the highway with a confederate flag would not be automatically seen as racist - he might just be a Dukes of Hazard fan.
OMG. Where did you get lost in this analogy? Let's try again:
Confederate guy is driving down the road with his Confederate flag waving in the wind
Non-white cuts off the Confederate guy
A pissing match ensues
The non-white guy started the fight
Under U.S. law, the Confederate guy is guilty even though he did not start the fight and the Confederate guy presupposes he still had Freedom and Liberty. The Confederate guy is guilty because we have hate laws. By policy, only whites have the capacity to hate. So, where, exactly, did you get lost?