Should Jerusalem be made an international city?

[HistoryBefore67]

In truth, this isn't about religion anywhere near as much as it is security.

Perhaps the Muslims should not have publicly SWORN to drown the Jews in the Mediterranean.

Perhaps the Muslims should not have TRIED to drown the Jews in the Med on repeated occasions.

Perhaps the Muslims should not have suicide-bombed and rocketed their way out of any snowball's chance at a negotiated settlement.

There comes a time, when Land-for-Peace and Perpetual Negotiation comes to an end.

We've hit that point.

And Israel cannot afford to leave the vicious, suicidal, idiotic Palestinian failed-state in its rear.

That means eliminating it.

With as little loss of life as may be possible.

But eliminating it, nonetheless.

It is the Hard Decision which the Arabs have forced upon the Israelis after 65 years.

They have no one to blame but themselves for making themselves such dangerous and despised and hated enemies of the Israelis.....

Your solution to the "Arab Question" is not too dissimilar to the solution the Nazis had for the "Jewish Question".

 

[Hyrcanus]

There's no reason why Jerusalem can't be shared.

The problem is that Jewish and Muslim bigots are getting in the way of such an idea.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Your solution to the "Arab Question" is not too dissimilar to the solution the Nazis had for the 'Jewish Question'".

It is not 'my' solution.

I show you the future... or, at least, one very likely possible future.

Oh, and, re: that Godwinian Nazi false-flag business...

Let us know, when the Israelis start gassing and burning Palestinians by the millions, will ya?

Then... and only then... will any such comparison have sufficient merit so as to warrant serious attention.

 

[Hyrcanus]

I show you the future... or, at least, one very likely possible future.

Oh, and, re: that Godwinian Nazi false-flag business...

Let us know, when the Israelis start gassing and burning Palestinians by the millions, will ya?

Then... and only then... will any such comparison have sufficient merit so as to warrant serious attention.

Oh, so if the Israelis gather tens of thousands of IDF and start marching the Palestinians at gunpoint towards the Jordanian and Syrian border, and shoot ANYONE who refuses to move, they aren't acting pretty much like Nazis?

lolol!!!!!!! such denial.

its very sad.

The day Israel starts such an endeavor, is the day Israel dies.

 

[toastman]

In truth, this isn't about religion anywhere near as much as it is security.

Perhaps the Muslims should not have publicly SWORN to drown the Jews in the Mediterranean.

Perhaps the Muslims should not have TRIED to drown the Jews in the Med on repeated occasions.

Perhaps the Muslims should not have suicide-bombed and rocketed their way out of any snowball's chance at a negotiated settlement.

There comes a time, when Land-for-Peace and Perpetual Negotiation comes to an end.

We've hit that point.

And Israel cannot afford to leave the vicious, suicidal, idiotic Palestinian failed-state in its rear.

That means eliminating it.

With as little loss of life as may be possible.

But eliminating it, nonetheless.

It is the Hard Decision which the Arabs have forced upon the Israelis after 65 years.

They have no one to blame but themselves for making themselves such dangerous and despised and hated enemies of the Israelis.....

Your solution to the "Arab Question" is not too dissimilar to the solution the Nazis had for the "Jewish Question".

What a disgusting comment. You should be ashamed of yourself to compare Israel to Nazi Germany. It's pretty clear that you know little to nothing about the Holocaust and Nazi Germany

 

[Hyrcanus]

What a disgusting comment. You should be ashamed of yourself to compare Israel to Nazi Germany. It's pretty clear that you know little to nothing about the Holocaust and Nazi Germany

He wants Israel to FORCE millions of Arabs out of Israel, under penalty of injury or death, and you think my comment is the one that is disgusting?

wow, talk about selective and feigned outrage.

 

[toastman]

Extermination for the goal of genocide is not the same as deportation

 

[Hyrcanus]

Extermination for the goal of genocide is not the same as deportation

Forced ethnic cleansing under penalty of death, is a form of genocide.

What will Israel do if 2.1 million Palestinians REFUSE to leave the West Bank?

shoot them all?

 

[Kondor3]

What a disgusting comment. You should be ashamed of yourself to compare Israel to Nazi Germany. It's pretty clear that you know little to nothing about the Holocaust and Nazi Germany

He wants Israel to FORCE millions of Arabs out of Israel, under penalty of injury or death, and you think my comment is the one that is disgusting?

wow, talk about selective and feigned outrage.

Whoever said that this is what I want?

I show you one possible... make that a likely... future... courtesy of my very own crystal ball, and simple logic.

If the Israelis head down a path to Expulsion or Deportation, they will, in all likelihood, attempt to do so as peaceably as may be practicable.

Governments evict people all the time.

This will be no different, in that respect, other than the scale, and even that will not signify, if undertaken in bite-sized chunks, but at a sustained and fairly rapid pace.

And, quite frankly, who in their right mind wants to die in-place resisting the Expulsion, when generous compensation, logistical support, transport, and a new home, and life and happiness, are waiting for you and your family in New Palestine, just across the border - all pre-arranged and ready for you to just say 'yes'.

The end, when it comes, will be probably be more Seductive than it will be Forcible.

And, with the backing of the global Jewish community, there is a very good chance that Israel will have no problem floating the cost of Logistics and Compensation for those being permanently transferred to new lands outside the borders of Israel.

For the minority percentage that does refuse to take the Once-in-A-Lifetime Relocation Offer, they'll be put down by police or military force, as happens all the time with evictions, elsewhere across the world.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Forced ethnic cleansing under penalty of death, is a form of genocide..."

Only if the Moved People are not allowed to re-gather and function as a People again.

Otherwise, it's just a Population Transfer.

Ask the Muslims and Christians of the Balkans about that.

Or the Muslims who expelled the Jews from all of their countries in the period 1948-1970.

Or the Muslims and Hindus of India-Pakistan after the British withdrew.

 

[Kondor3]

"...The day Israel starts such an endeavor, is the day Israel dies."

The day Israel starts such an endeavor, is the day it eliminates the knife at its throat.

 

[Hyrcanus]

The day Israel starts such an endeavor, is the day it eliminates the knife at its throat.

Whatever bro.

We all know Israel isn't stupid or suicidal enough to try to force all Arabs out of the West Bank.

Such a Fascist idea isn't Israel's MO, just yet.

 

[Kondor3]

The day Israel starts such an endeavor, is the day it eliminates the knife at its throat.

Whatever bro. We all know Israel isn't stupid or suicidal enough to try to force all Arabs out of the West Bank. Such a Fascist idea isn't Israel's MO, just yet.

Then the Palestinians had better get their heads out of their asses and hurry back to the Negotiating Table, humbly, and with the understanding that they have lost, while there is still time...

To see if there is any scrap-of-a-deal that the Israelis are still willing to extend to them, now that the Palestinians have foolishly waited long enough so that Jerusalem and the Golan and Return are all permanently off the table...

And now that the end-game is already in-sight, with respect to annexation of the modest portion of the West Bank still under Palestinian control...

This will not be a meeting of peers... this will be the Winners (Israel) meeting with the Losers (Palestine)... quite probably the only terms upon which the Israelis would be willing to open-up talks again at this very late hour...

 

[Hyrcanus]

Then the Palestinians had better get their heads out of their asses and hurry back to the Negotiating Table, humbly, and with the understanding that they have lost, while there is still time...

To see if there is any scrap-of-a-deal that the Israelis are still willing to extend to them, now that the Palestinians have foolishly waited long enough so that Jerusalem and the Golan and Return are all permanently off the table....

The Golan Heights and East Jerusalem are permanently off the table?

In your wildest dreams.

 

[toastman]

Then the Palestinians had better get their heads out of their asses and hurry back to the Negotiating Table, humbly, and with the understanding that they have lost, while there is still time...

To see if there is any scrap-of-a-deal that the Israelis are still willing to extend to them, now that the Palestinians have foolishly waited long enough so that Jerusalem and the Golan and Return are all permanently off the table....

The Golan Heights and East Jerusalem are permanently off the table?

In your wildest dreams.

Israel already offered the Golan to Syria in exchange for peace in 1967 following the 6 day war. They refused
Too little too late.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Israel already offered the Golan to Syria in exchange for peace in 1967 following the 6 day war. They refused
Too little too late.

And yet Israel has offered ALL of the Golan Heights back to Syria a few times after 1967. They simply couldn't agree on the exact border along the Sea of Galilee, early warning stations, dimilitarization, etc.

But yes, Israel did offer back the entire Golan.

Which means you aren't very familiar with this subject.

 

[toastman]

Huh??? Go read up on the Khartoum resolutiom

 

[Kondor3]

"...The Golan Heights and East Jerusalem are permanently off the table? In your wildest dreams."

This will not be a meeting of peers.

This will be a meeting of the Winners (Israel) and the Losers (Palestinians).

The Winners dictate the terms.

The Palestinians must come hat-in-hand, humbly, contritely, sincerely, and understand that the Golan and East Jerusalem are off the table, or they should not come to the meeting at all.

And, if they do not come to the table soon, they will reap the consequences of the inevitable harsher end-game, in which they may be forcibly ejected from the country.

This war is over. It was over in 1948. The results were confirmed in 1967.

It is said that 'the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.' and intransigence on the part of the Palestinians at this very late juncture would be a final demonstration of that old maxim.

There is very little time left. I am guessing that they either come to the table, hat-in-hand, and take whatever scraps the Israelis are still willing to grant them, or lose it all.

And the Palestinians will lose it all if they delay much longer - there can be no objective and practical doubt about that. The map tells that story. Coldly. Dispassionately. Truthfully.

The Palestinians can keep pi$$ing into the wind, or they can shut the phukk up and concede reality, and make the best deal they can under incredibly unfavorable circumstances.

The Palestinians could have cut a much better deal, for many years, but it's too late for all that now - that ship has sailed - those old offers are off the table.

The end-game is almost upon the Palestinians, and, if it comes to annexation and expulsion...

There will be no question that the Palestinians will lose.

The only question will be: will they do a Custer's Last Stand, or will they choose life and happiness and a fresh start, elsewhere.

My money is on the Custers' Last Stand. Collectively, as a body-politic, the Palestinians are not very bright. But, under such draconian circumstances, we can always hope they'll regain their sanity in time to avoid the worst of it.

 

[Hyrcanus]

...The only question will be: will they do a Custer's Last Stand, or will they choose life and happiness and a fresh start, elsewhere.

My money is on the Custers' Last Stand. Collectively, as a body-politic, they're not very bright.

Ah, so the only options are exile or extermination?

Interesting. Hitler and Stalin would approve of your logic.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Ah, so the only options are exile or extermination? Interesting. Hitler and Stalin would approve of your logic."

No, the only options are probably (1) submit to the bad deal that the Israelis are willing to give them at this late juncture or (2) face annexation and expulsion.

If they choose to resist then they will be beaten into submission, but allowed to live, and to go elsewhere, to rebuild their lives.

Wars have winners and losers.

Winners dictate the terms, losers accept the terms.

When they've been sufficiently overwhelmed by military force so as to force that submission.

Much as the Allies did in beating the Axis countries into submission... much as the Union North beat the Confederate South into submission... and on and on and on throughout all of history.

That is the nature of war.

The Palestinians have suicide-bombed and rocket-launched themselves into a corner, and a hardening of their opponents' hearts is a natural outcome of such insanity.

Their consequences are now upon them.

They should have cut a better deal while there was still time.

Fools.