Should Israel withdraw to the Separation Barrier?

[Kondor3]

"...Israel is only going to remove itself from the West Bank if Israel decides to do so..."

True, dat.

 

[aris2chat]

If peace talks fail, Israel should move foreward.
No reason for any land to be jew free unless other places can be palestinian/muslim free.
Jews have rights to land they owned prior to '67 in the WB and G. Israelis never willingly gave up their claim to their homeland 2000 yrs ago or present.
Palestinians want to be jew free, let them live in the middle of the iron anvil and see how long before a wall is built to keep them in and unable to do mischief. Let them solve their water, sewage, building and food problems in isolation. No more taps to foreign cash, no more hand outs, no more charity, no more UN. More than a hundred years and everyone bending over backward to help them, they want only hate and violence.
How long before they will wish they had agreed to a peace deal?

 

[toastman]

Oh, shut the **** up. Stop repeating the same drivel. Israel is only going to remove itself from the West Bank if Israel decides to do so . So please, stop trying to act like a tough guy you terrorist/jihad supporting piece of drek !

Hitler thought the same thing about Poland and we all know how that turned out.

How many more fucked up ideas you got?

I bet you think Matt Kemp should start?

You probably want to ghost-write his book, Mein Kemp?

Ah, the ol' bringing up Hitler/The Holocaust tactic. How did I know you would use it LOL

Poland was and is a sovereign country. How can you compare that ?
Germany invaded and occupied Poland for aggressive reasons, while Israel took over the West Bank when Jordan joined the war in 1967 after being told not to by Israel

Your comparison = BIG FAIL

 

[jillian]

Why don't you drop Bibi a line and make that suggestion to him? I'm sure he'll thank you for your interest.

They've surely been discussing this for years.

not in israel they haven't

 

[Indeependent]

Hitler had to do SOMETHING to keep the Jews from killing all the European Goyim.
You're such a Jew hating idiot.
You hate Jews?
Fine...Don't be an idiot with a post relying on revisionist historical context.

Hitler was FOS when it came to his opinion of the jews.

And so is your opinion of me.

I actually think you're a pretty smart guy.
You just don't have the depth and breadth of knowledge required to comment on the Israel situation.

 

[jillian]

Hitler had to do SOMETHING to keep the Jews from killing all the European Goyim.
You're such a Jew hating idiot.
You hate Jews?
Fine...Don't be an idiot with a post relying on revisionist historical context.

that's an interesting lie. there is no history of jews in europe killing non-jews.

try again… this time without prevaricating.

 

[toastman]

Hitler had to do SOMETHING to keep the Jews from killing all the European Goyim.
You're such a Jew hating idiot.
You hate Jews?
Fine...Don't be an idiot with a post relying on revisionist historical context.

that's an interesting lie. there is no history of jews in europe killing non-jews.

try again… this time without prevaricating.

He was obviously being sarcastic

 

[Indeependent]

Hitler had to do SOMETHING to keep the Jews from killing all the European Goyim.
You're such a Jew hating idiot.
You hate Jews?
Fine...Don't be an idiot with a post relying on revisionist historical context.

that's an interesting lie. there is no history of jews in europe killing non-jews.

try again… this time without prevaricating.

He was obviously being sarcastic

Addressed!

 

[Victory67]

No, they need to withdraw from "ALL" occupied territories. Israel has no right to have a "security presence", on someone else's land. Israel's only option, is to get the **** off that land and stop violating international law.

All this security concern crap is a bunch of BS!

UN Resolution 242 says Israel needs to withdraw to secure and recognized borders.

That seems to suggest some wiggle room as to exactly how much territory from the West Bank Israel needs to withdraw from. Surely the vast majority, but not all.

 

[toastman]

No, they need to withdraw from "ALL" occupied territories. Israel has no right to have a "security presence", on someone else's land. Israel's only option, is to get the **** off that land and stop violating international law.

All this security concern crap is a bunch of BS!

UN Resolution 242 says Israel needs to withdraw to secure and recognized borders.

That seems to suggest some wiggle room as to exactly how much territory from the West Bank Israel needs to withdraw from. Surely the vast majority, but not all.

What do you think about the offer Arafat was given during the Camp David Summit ?

 

[Phoenall]

If peace talks with Palestine fail, should Israel just withdraw to the Separation Barrier while maintaining a military presence along the Jordanian border in the Jordan Valley?

If Israel does this they can claim before any criminal or other international court Palestine might take them before, that they have withdrawn from all Occupied Territories up to a point where security demands an Israeli presence until a final peace treaty is reached ..

(which does actually comply with UN resolution 242 which requires Israel to withdraw from "lands" Occupied since 1967 and for all states to recognize Israel within secure and defensable borders).

And many throughout the world would accept that reasoning, as only 8.5% of the West Bank would remain under Israel control, meaning 91.5% of Arab Palestine (the West Bank) and all of Gaza would be free to become an independent State of Palestine, and that's a pretty damn good deal in the absence of a formal peace treaty.

What charges will Israel face at this fantasy criminal or international court that hasn't been tried before and failed due to no evidence.

Res 242 actually says that Israel must withdraw from land occupied since 1967 AT THE CONCLUSION OF PEACE TALKS AND THE MUTUALLY AGREED BORDERS. Israel has shown it is honourable when it did just this when it negotiated with Egypt and Jordan, the P.A. shows it is devious and dishonourable when it demands pre conditions that are illegal .

Maybe Israel should be taking the P.A to court over its BLOOD LIBELS and LIES, then for its constant terrorist attacks

 

[Phoenall]

I think if Israel did this they would finally have the moral highground and many in the world would say "wow, nice job Israel. We didn't think you had it in you".

They already have the moral high ground when abbas started making his illegal demands. All they need do is sit back and wait for the P.A. to implode in a few short weeks time. Then go to the UN and table a motion asking for the UN to appoint mediators to represent the Palestinian side in negotiations and have the deal done in the glare of the public spotlight.

Game set and match to Israel unless abbas winds his neck in

 

[Phoenall]

If peace talks with Palestine fail, should Israel just withdraw to the Separation Barrier while maintaining a military presence along the Jordanian border in the Jordan Valley?

If Israel does this they can claim before any criminal or other international court Palestine might take them before, that they have withdrawn from all Occupied Territories up to a point where security demands an Israeli presence until a final peace treaty is reached ..

(which does actually comply with UN resolution 242 which requires Israel to withdraw from "lands" Occupied since 1967 and for all states to recognize Israel within secure and defensable borders).

And many throughout the world would accept that reasoning, as only 8.5% of the West Bank would remain under Israel control, meaning 91.5% of Arab Palestine (the West Bank) and all of Gaza would be free to become an independent State of Palestine, and that's a pretty damn good deal in the absence of a formal peace treaty.

No, they need to withdraw from "ALL" occupied territories. Israel has no right to have a "security presence", on someone else's land. Israel's only option, is to get the **** off that land and stop violating international law.

All this security concern crap is a bunch of BS!

Read 242 and see just what Israel has to do, you will be surprised at what it really says.

 

[Phoenall]

Oh, shut the **** up. Stop repeating the same drivel. Israel is only going to remove itself from the West Bank if Israel decides to do so . So please, stop trying to act like a tough guy you terrorist/jihad supporting piece of drek !

Hitler thought the same thing about Poland and we all know how that turned out.

How many more fucked up ideas you got?

I bet you think Matt Kemp should start?

You probably want to ghost-write his book, Mein Kemp?

You know nothing about Poland and why Hitler invaded, or that Germany was the Darfur of its day having seen half of its arable farm land taken from them by the allies after WW1. You rabbit on about how bad the Israelis are, yet ignore the hospitals, schools, playgrounds and other trapping of civilisation they bestowed on the Palestinians after 1967. If they had kept them in their barbed wire cages and left them to rot like the Egyptians and Jordanians did then you would have something to whinge about. Try going back to 1900 and see what was happening in the whole of the M.E.

 

[Phoenall]

No, they need to withdraw from "ALL" occupied territories. Israel has no right to have a "security presence", on someone else's land. Israel's only option, is to get the **** off that land and stop violating international law.

All this security concern crap is a bunch of BS!

UN Resolution 242 says Israel needs to withdraw to secure and recognized borders.

That seems to suggest some wiggle room as to exactly how much territory from the West Bank Israel needs to withdraw from. Surely the vast majority, but not all.

What ever Israel deem is required to meet their interpretation of secure borders. It was left open ended deliberately by the UN to meet with just that criteria as at that time they were sick of Islamic violence all over the world. It was meant as an object lesson to the muslims that the UN would take measures to reduce what land they could steal, and take it from them.
Israel laid it out at Camp David just what they considered to be acceptable to them, with wiggling room to spare. They offered 98% of the original land back, with deals for the remaining 2% over time. A phased withdrawal of Israeli troops and the setting up of an international body to attend to reparations for displaced Jews and Palestinians. And Arafat the boy lover refused to talk unless the Jews left Palestine and paid the muslims reparations after they had returned. This seems to be the stance of every Palestinian negotiator since.

 

[aris2chat]

No, they need to withdraw from "ALL" occupied territories. Israel has no right to have a "security presence", on someone else's land. Israel's only option, is to get the **** off that land and stop violating international law.

All this security concern crap is a bunch of BS!

UN Resolution 242 says Israel needs to withdraw to secure and recognized borders.

That seems to suggest some wiggle room as to exactly how much territory from the West Bank Israel needs to withdraw from. Surely the vast majority, but not all.

States in the middle east have refused diplomatic recognition on condition of Israel withdrawal. Israel already with drew from 91% of the land when they returned the sinai to egypt. Israel has also withdrawn from gaza in an attempted exchange of land for peace.
Jordan gave up the WB to Israel in a peace agreement.
Israel was the one attacked, defense not offense. Egypt and Jordan gave up land they had taken in attacking Israel.

 

[Victory67]

States in the middle east have refused diplomatic recognition on condition of Israel withdrawal. Israel already with drew from 91% of the land when they returned the sinai to egypt. Israel has also withdrawn from gaza in an attempted exchange of land for peace.
Jordan gave up the WB to Israel in a peace agreement.
Israel was the one attacked, defense not offense. Egypt and Jordan gave up land they had taken in attacking Israel.

You are lying. Jordan never gave Israel the West Bank. They gave all negotiating rights to the Palestinians in 1984.

 

[Sally]

States in the middle east have refused diplomatic recognition on condition of Israel withdrawal. Israel already with drew from 91% of the land when they returned the sinai to egypt. Israel has also withdrawn from gaza in an attempted exchange of land for peace.
Jordan gave up the WB to Israel in a peace agreement.
Israel was the one attacked, defense not offense. Egypt and Jordan gave up land they had taken in attacking Israel.

You are lying. Jordan never gave Israel the West Bank. They gave all negotiating rights to the Palestinians in 1984.

Would you please prove to us your statement above?

 

[aris2chat]

States in the middle east have refused diplomatic recognition on condition of Israel withdrawal. Israel already with drew from 91% of the land when they returned the sinai to egypt. Israel has also withdrawn from gaza in an attempted exchange of land for peace.
Jordan gave up the WB to Israel in a peace agreement.
Israel was the one attacked, defense not offense. Egypt and Jordan gave up land they had taken in attacking Israel.

You are lying. Jordan never gave Israel the West Bank. They gave all negotiating rights to the Palestinians in 1984.

Would you please prove to us your statement above?

Borders: The international boundary between Israel and Jordan follows the Jordan and Yarmouk Rivers, the Dead Sea, the Emek Ha'arva/Wadi Araba, and the Gulf of Aqaba.

 

[Victory67]

Would you please prove to us your statement above?

There is no evidence that Jordan "gave" the West Bank to Israel. It wasn't theirs to give away.

Jordan transfered all negotiating rights over the West Bank to the Palestinians in 1988.

"Until 1974, Jordan demanded the restoration of its control over the West Bank.[17] In 1988, Jordan's King Hussein announced "full legal and administrative disengagement from the West Bank."[18] On 28 July 1988, King Hussein announced the cessation of a $1.3 billion development program for the West Bank. Over the next few days, he formally dissolved Parliament, ending West Bank representation in the legislature, and severed all administrative and legal ties with the West Bank"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_bank#20th_century

"On July 31, 1988, Jordan ceded its claims to the West Bank — with the exception of guardianship over the Muslim Holy Sites of Jerusalem — Recognizing the Palestine Liberation Organization, as "the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_occupation_of_the_West_Bank#Aftermath