Should Elon Musk Audit Social Security?

[elektra]

Republicans want to cut it so bad. Well, the dog should only catch the mail man when it comes to them!

Republican dogs are owned by responsible owners. Dogs are trained not to catch the mailman

Democrats own viscous dogs that attack the mailman. Democrats think that is proper, as hurricanlover just pointed out.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Yes, the US education system is a total mess.

This is a problem of a partisan political system with people trying to impose their beliefs on others.

The UK doesn't have this, Germany doesn't have this, Austria doesn't have this, etc etc.

Why not? Because their political systems are more sane. Because teachers generally control education and generally believe that it's about educating.

The Department of Education could so easily push an agenda of learning skills. Use History to teach kids to analyse evidence, to make arguments, use English to learn creative thinking and writing.

But they don't. Both sides attack for the most part, I'm sure some states are fine, but a lot aren't.

The first part of any solution is to change how politicians are elected, then you work on changing everything else.

With all due respect, Frigid...the Left pretty much OWNS the Department of Education! They don't push an agenda of education...they push an agenda of indoctrination.

 

[Man With A Plan]

What do people want?

The British people wanted Brexit. It was like turkeys voting for Christmas.

Problem was, the British people were manipulated, told blatant lies, and then told to go and vote. And now they've voted and seen the problems, the people who actually wanted Brexit, the rich people who stand to benefit, are telling everyone it's "undemocratic" to have another vote. As if voting every 4-5 years for something different (or the same) is "undemocratic", even though since the Brexit vote they've done it three times.

What do Americans want? How is it that "What Americans want" just happens to be what the rich bastards tell them they want?

American's want their kids to learn reading and math, Frigid. I don't know why you keep bringing up the British.

 

[frigidweirdo]

With all due respect, Frigid...the Left pretty much OWNS the Department of Education! They don't push an agenda of education...they push an agenda of indoctrination.

And what do the Republicans do about it? Nothing much other than trying to push for religion to take over the department, or Trump putting de Vos in charge whose whole goal is to give money to rich people.

So, nobody wants real change, but both sides claim it, and both sides have their fans who cheer and ignore the reality... great.

 

[Man With A Plan]

And what do the Republicans do about it? Nothing much other than trying to push for religion to take over the department, or Trump putting de Vos in charge whose whole goal is to give money to rich people.

So, nobody wants real change, but both sides claim it, and both sides have their fans who cheer and ignore the reality... great.

The Republicans are pushing to give the control of education back to local parents. I don't have the faintest idea what you're babbling about giving money to rich people. Do you? Give me an example of that.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Republicans are pushing to give the control of education back to local parents. I don't have the faintest idea what you're babbling about giving money to rich people. Do you? Give me an example of that.

Yeah, I do.

School vouchers. They claim that with school vouchers there will be choice. Which is ridiculous. Other countries have "choice" without school vouchers.

In the UK you can send you kids to whichever school you like, you have the choice to apply to any school. Doesn't mean you'll get in, but you can apply.

Obviously there are limits on how far people are willing to travel. One city I know had bad schools, so a lot of parents shipped their kids off to a rural high school which had more students than it had residents.

Betsy de Vos is a proponent of school vouchers.

A battle over schools rages in Michigan — and Betsy DeVos is at the center of it

Last year, 22 states launched or expanded voucher programs. This year, 74 bills have been introduced. “Disaster always presents an opportunity,” one expert said.

www.nbcnews.com

"The wealthy philanthropist from western Michigan who served as U.S. education secretary under former President Donald Trump has been fighting for private school vouchers in her home state since at least 2000, when she and her family put about $3 million behind a ballot referendum that was soundly rejected by voters."

So, school vouchers work like this. Instead of a public school getting money based on the amount of students it gets, ALL parents get given a voucher, and they can use it to send their kids to any school, including private.

Which means rich people, who can already afford to send their kids to private school, will get given money to send their kids to private school.

Average Public School Spending / Student (2024-25)

View the national and state averages for public school spending / student (2024-25)

www.publicschoolreview.com

In Michigan the average per student is about $17,500.

So, a person who sends their kid to private school will be given $17,500 and they could use this to send their kid to a private school.

Essentially this is a way for parents who can already afford to send their kids, to get more money. They're the only ones who'd benefit from this. It seems the only reason why someone is even pushing for this. Vouchers don't seem to have any other benefit at all.

 

[sealybobo]

In the case of illegal immigrants, drug addicts/alcoholics, people faking disability who don’t want to work, or other cases of fraud/wasteful spending, I say to Elon “Go for it!”

I have actually met folks on heroin and other drugs, who are on social security. The outrage in favor of cutting SS is justified, in those cases.

We will see what happens. Right now, nothing has been done on a large scale. That may soon change.

Thoughts?

Should Elon stop lying about Social Security?

Debunked: Trump And Musk's Myth Of Social Security For Tens Of Millions Of Dead People

Improper payments have been made, including some to dead people, but the numbers thrown out are overstated and misrepresent Social Security data.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Man With A Plan]

Should Elon stop lying about Social Security?

Debunked: Trump And Musk's Myth Of Social Security For Tens Of Millions Of Dead People

Improper payments have been made, including some to dead people, but the numbers thrown out are overstated and misrepresent Social Security data.

www.huffpost.com

Why is Elon making you so nervous, Sealy? Because you know that he's NOT lying?

 

[debbiedowner]

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That was a lie, his people looked at the wrong data base for dead people. Probably his youngins don't know what the older than dirt programs.

More like 0.01% checks in a year are sent out by mistake but they are working on bring that down.

 

[sealybobo]

Why is Elon making you so nervous, Sealy? Because you know that he's NOT lying?

Why is he lying? I'm not nervous. I hope he finds fraud/waste and abuse. No lying should be necessary. Lying makes me suspecious.

It's like you can keep your doctor. Did he know that was a lie when he said it?

Or Fauci saying if you get vaccinated you can't get covid. Or can't spread it. One lie and suddenly people are skeptical. Well, so am I with Elon. Why he lie?