Debate Now Should Capital punishment be allowed?

[JoeB131]

Calls a murderer a helpless slob. We know what joe is.

Except that a lot of guys sent to Death Row didn't murder anyone, that's the problem.

I notice you didn't even address my essay about Rolando Cruz.

 

[miketx]

Calls a murderer a helpless slob. We know what joe is.

Except that a lot of guys sent to Death Row didn't murder anyone, that's the problem.

I notice you didn't even address my essay about Rolando Cruz.

Why would anyone respond to your lies? You are an America hating pos.

 

[JoeB131]

Why would anyone respond to your lies? You are an America hating pos.

No, the America I love doesn't execute innocent people because cops were bad at their jobs. That's kind of the opposite of what America is.

 

[miketx]

Why would anyone respond to your lies? You are an America hating pos.

No, the America I love doesn't execute innocent people because cops were bad at their jobs. That's kind of the opposite of what America is.

As usual you completly bastardize what is being discussed for your own perverse lie filled agenda.

 

[fncceo]

I don't see capital punishment as a deterrent,

Studies show that 97.6% of those who receive capital punishment don't re-offend.

Hard to argue with that success rate.

 

[miketx]

I don't see capital punishment as a deterrent,

Studies show that 97.6% of those who receive capital punishment don't re-offend.

Hard to argue with that success rate.

That remaining 2.4 percent must be some bad mofo's!

 

[JoeB131]

As usual you completly bastardize what is being discussed for your own perverse lie filled agenda.

Again, in IL, we had a bunch of cases where we let guys off because of police or prosecutor misconduct putting innocent men on death row. It became so bad that a REPUBLICAN governor, George Ryan, decided he had to commute the sentences of 167 people because even he couldn't tell which ones were really, really guilty

 

[Esmeralda]

Capital punishment should be a deterrent to crimes such as murder, so yes: It should be instituted.

Many states have also adopted a pre-emptive form of capital punishment with their so-called "Castle Doctrine" or "Deadly Force" laws, allowing legally-armed citizens to use deadly force if necessary to protect their own lives or the lives of their family.

Studies have shown that capital punishment is not a deterrent to crimes, not murder, not any crime. Criminals don't care. They are stupid. They think they won't get caught.

 

[jon_berzerk]

so thanks for adding how you feel

Meh, guy, just pointing out that executing some helpless slob will not make you feel any better about your failed life.

Calls a murderer a helpless slob. We know what joe is.

exactly

 

[JGalt]

Capital punishment should be a deterrent to crimes such as murder, so yes: It should be instituted.

Many states have also adopted a pre-emptive form of capital punishment with their so-called "Castle Doctrine" or "Deadly Force" laws, allowing legally-armed citizens to use deadly force if necessary to protect their own lives or the lives of their family.

Studies have shown that capital punishment is not a deterrent to crimes, not murder, not any crime. Criminals don't care. They are stupid. They think they won't get caught.

It is a deterrent if you take them out of this world. Nobody has ever come back from the other side, to commit another crime, now have they?

Not a single criminal that I know of.

 

[Esmeralda]

Capital punishment should be a deterrent to crimes such as murder, so yes: It should be instituted.

Many states have also adopted a pre-emptive form of capital punishment with their so-called "Castle Doctrine" or "Deadly Force" laws, allowing legally-armed citizens to use deadly force if necessary to protect their own lives or the lives of their family.

Studies have shown that capital punishment is not a deterrent to crimes, not murder, not any crime. Criminals don't care. They are stupid. They think they won't get caught.

It is a deterrent if you take them out of this world. Nobody has ever come back from the other side, to commit another crime, now have they?

Not a single criminal that I know of.

Deterrent means to prevent. To deter, keep from happening. Once the murder has been committed, it is impossible to prevent it from happening. Putting the murderer in prison for life will keep it from being repeated. As far as deterring future murderers, the death penalty doesn't do it. Stats show that murderers are not likely to take the death penalty into account before committing murder.

Another factor is putting to death innocent people. It has been done before and is bound to happen again. As a decent society, we should not take the chance of putting innocent people to death.

 

[Auld Phart]

Capital punishment should be a deterrent to crimes such as murder, so yes: It should be instituted.

Many states have also adopted a pre-emptive form of capital punishment with their so-called "Castle Doctrine" or "Deadly Force" laws, allowing legally-armed citizens to use deadly force if necessary to protect their own lives or the lives of their family.

Studies have shown that capital punishment is not a deterrent to crimes, not murder, not any crime. Criminals don't care. They are stupid. They think they won't get caught.

It is a deterrent if you take them out of this world. Nobody has ever come back from the other side, to commit another crime, now have they?

Not a single criminal that I know of.

Deterrent means to prevent. To deter, keep from happening. Once the murder has been committed, it is impossible to prevent it from happening. Putting the murderer in prison for life will keep it from being repeated. As far as deterring future murderers, the death penalty doesn't do it. Stats show that murderers are not likely to take the death penalty into account before committing murder.

Another factor is putting to death innocent people. It has been done before and is bound to happen again. As a decent society, we should not take the chance of putting innocent people to death.

This guy was serving a life sentence for murder, the state where he's incarcerated has no death penalty.

Christopher Scarver - Wikipedia

while incarcerated, he beat 2 other men to death.

The states reaction?

2 more life sentences.

 

[HenryBHough]

I will cease believing in the death penalty the same day somebody shows me a convicted and executed criminal who returns from the dead to kill again.

 

[JGalt]

Capital punishment should be a deterrent to crimes such as murder, so yes: It should be instituted.

Many states have also adopted a pre-emptive form of capital punishment with their so-called "Castle Doctrine" or "Deadly Force" laws, allowing legally-armed citizens to use deadly force if necessary to protect their own lives or the lives of their family.

Studies have shown that capital punishment is not a deterrent to crimes, not murder, not any crime. Criminals don't care. They are stupid. They think they won't get caught.

It is a deterrent if you take them out of this world. Nobody has ever come back from the other side, to commit another crime, now have they?

Not a single criminal that I know of.

Deterrent means to prevent. To deter, keep from happening. Once the murder has been committed, it is impossible to prevent it from happening. Putting the murderer in prison for life will keep it from being repeated. As far as deterring future murderers, the death penalty doesn't do it. Stats show that murderers are not likely to take the death penalty into account before committing murder.

Another factor is putting to death innocent people. It has been done before and is bound to happen again. As a decent society, we should not take the chance of putting innocent people to death.

As usual you completly bastardize what is being discussed for your own perverse lie filled agenda.

Again, in IL, we had a bunch of cases where we let guys off because of police or prosecutor misconduct putting innocent men on death row. It became so bad that a REPUBLICAN governor, George Ryan, decided he had to commute the sentences of 167 people because even he couldn't tell which ones were really, really guilty

The fact that he's a Republican has no bearing on the issue. He is not a conservative and some Republicans are no better than Democrats.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Some people just need killing.

Other than that, my feelings about the death penalty are rather ambiguous. If it's on the books as a form of punishment, use it. If they want to abolish, do so.

Just remember... some people just need killing...

Logical Progression: MLK to PETA

Criminals are subhuman, but the sissyboy laws won't even let us exterminate predatory animals.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Capital punishment for small crimes committed by juveniles would prevent their budding criminal careers from blossoming.

Gorillas Hiding in the Liberal Mist



Punks are regressive mutations to pre-human DNA. Simply simian, missing links that must be chopped off.

 

[JoeB131]

The fact that he's a Republican has no bearing on the issue. He is not a conservative and some Republicans are no better than Democrats.

It's too late for the "No True Scotsman Fallacy" today.

Here was the thing George Ryan (who I think was an awful governor otherwise) had to deal with. There were so many cases of cops beating confessions out of suspects, planting evidence, lying on the stand, that he simply couldn't say about any one of the 167 cases. "Yup, this one is guilty, make sure we execute him."

We aren't talking about cases that were overturned for procedural reasons, we were talking about 16 cases where the determined someone else did it! And we aren't just talking about downstate bohunk counties, we are talking about Cook and the Collarcounties.

That's how bad it was.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Capital punishment for small crimes committed by juveniles would prevent their budding criminal careers from blossoming.

Gorillas Hiding in the Liberal Mist



Punks are regressive mutations to pre-human DNA. Simply simian, missing links that must be chopped off.

This post illustrates why we have the 4th, 5th, and 14th Amendments: to safeguard the people from this sort of rightwing fear, ignorance, hate, and stupidity.

 

[Patric Paramedic]

Joe B -

There's a HUGE difference in being willing to die in a gunfight, versus the slow torture of knowing that you are going to be beheaded in a few days. It isn't fear of death that would stop the madness - it's the psychological impact of the MANNER of death. N. Cruz did beg to be locked up, that's true. You'll notice he did not beg to have his head lopped off.

Not a lot of people know this, but in the provinces patrolled by the South Korean soldiers in Viet Nam, the Koreans would behead the North Vietnamese soldiers and place them on bamboo poles where they were readily seen by their troops.

The result? The North Vietnamese almost totally avoided incursions into those province areas.

The Koreans absolutely terrified the North Vietnamese.

Our problem as a nation is that we are fractured along political lines, and those who would do us harm see how they can use it to their advantage.

Put tall shiny, gleaming guillotines on every courthouse lawn; announce what they will be used for, and watch the violence levels drop.

 

[JoeB131]

Not a lot of people know this, but in the provinces patrolled by the South Korean soldiers in Viet Nam, the Koreans would behead the North Vietnamese soldiers and place them on bamboo poles where they were readily seen by their troops.

The result? The North Vietnamese almost totally avoided incursions into those province areas.

The Koreans absolutely terrified the North Vietnamese.

Um, yeah, but who won at the end of the day.. Hint, it wasn't the South Koreans!!!!

Our problem as a nation is that we are fractured along political lines, and those who would do us harm see how they can use it to their advantage.

Put tall shiny, gleaming guillotines on every courthouse lawn; announce what they will be used for, and watch the violence levels drop.

Uh, not really. guillotines didn't deter French Revolutionaries, who turned them on the people who made them. (Ironically, Louis XVI was the one who suggested an angled blade might make the thing more effective. Irony is a bitch!) They didn't really deter people who resisted the Nazis in WWII, when the Nazi guillotined more people than the French did in their whole history.

If Capital Punishment really where a deterrent, why do DP states have higher murder rates than non-DP states, and why do other industrialized nations (Almost all of whom have abandoned the DP) have lower murder rates than we do?