Should Billionaires Even Exist?

[ChrisL]

But would you change anything about that process if you could redefine it? I don't really have anybody that works for me personally but if I did it would cause chaos in my brain trying to think of how to take care of them.

Are you their momma or something? Goodness. You are not responsible for taking care of anyone but your own children. These people are not children. They are fully formed adults (allegedly). They should be able to take care of themselves! This is the problem with the world today. Weakness.

I just care. I don't see that as a problem or a sign of weakness but i'm also not in a position to decide those things right now for other people. I work for my church and I support the elders and staff.

You just care? Care about what? Put your caring into people/things/issues that DO need it, like the disabled who legitimately cannot work a job, abused children, abused animals, etc. Most of these people are people with bad work ethics who can't hold onto a job because they SUCK. Period.

I care about their livelihoods, their families, them as a person. There are a lot of people that work really really hard and struggle to make progress. If I were a business owner or CEO and I knew that my salary was hundreds of times greater than those people it would not sit well with me personally.

Then the solution is simple. Become a CEO yourself, and start a trend by working for much less money than other CEO's. Open a business and do the same.

Yeah, funny thing is that most people do not want to put in those hours and work that hard or have that kind of responsibility, nor do they have the know how to do so.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

CEOs put in the work. Contrary to popular opinion, these are people who work 60-80 or more hours every week and the success or failure of the company lands directly on their shoulders. Derrrr.

Yes many of them do but many of their employees can also work 60-80 hours every week too but are paid 100x or more less than top executives. I'm not saying that government needs to change that but it's just interesting to me that those CEOs and top executives don't seem to want to close that gap for the people who help that company succeed.

 

[ChrisL]

CEOs put in the work. Contrary to popular opinion, these are people who work 60-80 or more hours every week and the success or failure of the company lands directly on their shoulders. Derrrr.

Yes many of them do but many of their employees can also work 60-80 hours every week too but are paid 100x or more less than top executives. I'm not saying that government needs to change that but it's just interesting to me that those CEOs and top executives don't seem to want to close that gap for the people who help that company succeed.

Who are these people? Lol. Me thinks you don't really know what you are talking about at ALL. No offense.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

But would you change anything about that process if you could redefine it? I don't really have anybody that works for me personally but if I did it would cause chaos in my brain trying to think of how to take care of them.

Are you their momma or something? Goodness. You are not responsible for taking care of anyone but your own children. These people are not children. They are fully formed adults (allegedly). They should be able to take care of themselves! This is the problem with the world today. Weakness.

I just care. I don't see that as a problem or a sign of weakness but i'm also not in a position to decide those things right now for other people. I work for my church and I support the elders and staff.

You just care? Care about what? Put your caring into people/things/issues that DO need it, like the disabled who legitimately cannot work a job, abused children, abused animals, etc. Most of these people are people with bad work ethics who can't hold onto a job because they SUCK. Period.

I care about their livelihoods, their families, them as a person. There are a lot of people that work really really hard and struggle to make progress. If I were a business owner or CEO and I knew that my salary was hundreds of times greater than those people it would not sit well with me personally.

Then the solution is simple. Become a CEO yourself, and start a trend by working for much less money than other CEO's. Open a business and do the same.

I don't have that kind of desire towards money. I get what you are saying but i'd have to be someone else to do that.

 

[ChrisL]

I'm sorry if I come across as mean. Bleeding heart leftists just make me . . . well kind of sick.

 

[ChrisL]

Are you their momma or something? Goodness. You are not responsible for taking care of anyone but your own children. These people are not children. They are fully formed adults (allegedly). They should be able to take care of themselves! This is the problem with the world today. Weakness.

I just care. I don't see that as a problem or a sign of weakness but i'm also not in a position to decide those things right now for other people. I work for my church and I support the elders and staff.

You just care? Care about what? Put your caring into people/things/issues that DO need it, like the disabled who legitimately cannot work a job, abused children, abused animals, etc. Most of these people are people with bad work ethics who can't hold onto a job because they SUCK. Period.

I care about their livelihoods, their families, them as a person. There are a lot of people that work really really hard and struggle to make progress. If I were a business owner or CEO and I knew that my salary was hundreds of times greater than those people it would not sit well with me personally.

Then the solution is simple. Become a CEO yourself, and start a trend by working for much less money than other CEO's. Open a business and do the same.

I don't have that kind of desire towards money. I get what you are saying but i'd have to be someone else to do that.

Exactly. Not many people are, and that is why CEOs are worth more than your average worker bee.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

I'm sorry if I come across as mean. Bleeding heart leftists just make me . . . well kind of sick.

What makes you think that i'm a "bleeding heart leftist"?

 

[ChrisL]

I'm sorry if I come across as mean. Bleeding heart leftists just make me . . . well kind of sick.

What makes you think that i'm a "bleeding heart leftist"?

I'm sorry, but seriously?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Personal anecdote: I went to school with a girl named Linda. Linda was a complete . . . **** up. Linda showed up for final exams wearing sunglasses, hung over and slept through half of our lectures. Two weeks after graduation, I had a job. Linda could not find work. I also have countless experiences with coworkers who did not pull their own weight, showed up late, playing on their computers/phones instead of working, taking sick days all the time, who ***** and moan and complain when they don't get raises. Puhleese. This world would be a better place if people realized there are consequences for their actions (or inactions). There are PLENTY of opportunities here (in fact probably more here in America than any other place in the world) to better yourself, to take job training, computer classes, etc. If some people would rather demand a raise when they continue to behave like dirtbags, I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

Ok but I think you are making the mistake of assuming that only lazy or bad employees are struggling to progress or find success. There are also a lot of hard working people who dont call in sick, that don't show up late or play on their phones but still find themselves stuck or struggling with their career and finances.

Being a good worker will not bring you success if you don't have skills that are in demand.

 

[SweetTea]

CEOs put in the work. Contrary to popular opinion, these are people who work 60-80 or more hours every week and the success or failure of the company lands directly on their shoulders. Derrrr.

Yes many of them do but many of their employees can also work 60-80 hours every week too but are paid 100x or more less than top executives. I'm not saying that government needs to change that but it's just interesting to me that those CEOs and top executives don't seem to want to close that gap for the people who help that company succeed.

CEO's have the responsiblity of the entire company on their shoulders. They get rewarded for that.

QB's on pro football teams many times make make much more money than the guys around them that help them to succeed. Why is that?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sorry, but it is not up to others to take care of you. If you want a better job and better pay, then you have to make yourself more attractive and more valuable to a potential employer. A person collecting social services is usually qualified to receive grants for training programs in order to help them get better job opportunities. But then you have to perform to prove you are a valuable asset and worth what you are getting paid.

There's no doubt that better educated and skilled people have a greater potential for valued productivity.

But, pure dumb ass labor produces some of the most valuable of all work - and they should be paid on par with the value of their work - not on par with their financial desperation.

It doesn't take much brains to dig a ditch, but without ditch diggers we would all die.

That's now how you are paid. Your value as a worker is what your employer can pay somebody else to do your job. That's all you are worth.

Do you think that's a good process? Would you change anything about it?

I didn't say if it was good or bad, I'm just saying that's the way it is. But you can't blame businesses for doing the same thing that you and I do all the time with people that work for us.

But would you change anything about that process if you could redefine it? I don't really have anybody that works for me personally but if I did it would cause chaos in my brain trying to think of how to take care of them.

Let's walk through this. If your transmission went in your car, and it's well over a thousand bucks to repair, do you not check the prices of a few garages? If you have a plumbing problem at home, do you not get estimates what it would cost to replace your bathtub?

You don't ask the person how well they pay their workers, what kind of benefits they provide. All you know is they offered you the cheapest price to mow your lawn, fix your television, or get that transmission rebuilt. So yes, you do the very same things that business owners do. You look to get work done at the best possible price.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

I'm sorry if I come across as mean. Bleeding heart leftists just make me . . . well kind of sick.

What makes you think that i'm a "bleeding heart leftist"?

I'm sorry, but seriously?

No i'm being serious. My basic point in this thread topic is ultimately taking better care of your employees if you are a multimillionaire or billionaire business owner or CEO. I'm not calling for government intrusion or redistribution of wealth. Just calling for leaders to consider a smaller gap between your lowest level employee and the top employee in the organizational chart.

 

[SweetTea]

Being a good worker will not bring you success if you don't have skills that are in demand.

Who's fault is it that a person doesn't have the skills that are in demand? The US provides more opportunity than any other country in the world in obtaining valuable skills, however, it does require some effort and ambition, something that seems to be lacking in many of the indoctrinated youth and ALL supporters of Socialism.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Are you their momma or something? Goodness. You are not responsible for taking care of anyone but your own children. These people are not children. They are fully formed adults (allegedly). They should be able to take care of themselves! This is the problem with the world today. Weakness.

I just care. I don't see that as a problem or a sign of weakness but i'm also not in a position to decide those things right now for other people. I work for my church and I support the elders and staff.

You just care? Care about what? Put your caring into people/things/issues that DO need it, like the disabled who legitimately cannot work a job, abused children, abused animals, etc. Most of these people are people with bad work ethics who can't hold onto a job because they SUCK. Period.

I care about their livelihoods, their families, them as a person. There are a lot of people that work really really hard and struggle to make progress. If I were a business owner or CEO and I knew that my salary was hundreds of times greater than those people it would not sit well with me personally.

Then the solution is simple. Become a CEO yourself, and start a trend by working for much less money than other CEO's. Open a business and do the same.

I don't have that kind of desire towards money. I get what you are saying but i'd have to be someone else to do that.

Well, there you go. It's something you can't do, or won't get the education and experience to do. So when you depend on others instead of yourself to earn income, then you are only worth what they are paying.

 

[ChrisL]

I'm sorry if I come across as mean. Bleeding heart leftists just make me . . . well kind of sick.

What makes you think that i'm a "bleeding heart leftist"?

I'm sorry, but seriously?

No i'm being serious. My basic point in this thread topic is ultimately taking better care of your employees if you are a multimillionaire or billionaire business owner or CEO. I'm not calling for government intrusion or redistribution of wealth. Just calling for leaders to consider a smaller gap between your lowest level employee and the top employee in the organizational chart.

What don't you understand about the fact that you are paid what you are worth.

Hey, I made a GREAT tasting cake, do you think I can charge $1000 a piece while the other guy is charging $5 a piece for the same cake? Hey the other cake might not be as great tasting, but it is definitely worth the $5 rather than $1000 per slice.

Businesses have expenses and sometimes it takes YEARS before they even see a profit. Businesses have limitations on what they can pay, and they are going to pay based on the worth and value of the employee. If you are an employee that can be easily replaced and you demand too much, then you will be replaced and have NO job. This is the way of the world and this way encourages people to be more innovative and more fair in the long run.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If rich people bought fewer Lamborghinis, you wouldn't be such a whiney loser.

 

[ChrisL]

Wealth envy.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

I'm sorry if I come across as mean. Bleeding heart leftists just make me . . . well kind of sick.

What makes you think that i'm a "bleeding heart leftist"?

I'm sorry, but seriously?

No i'm being serious. My basic point in this thread topic is ultimately taking better care of your employees if you are a multimillionaire or billionaire business owner or CEO. I'm not calling for government intrusion or redistribution of wealth. Just calling for leaders to consider a smaller gap between your lowest level employee and the top employee in the organizational chart.

What don't you understand about the fact that you are paid what you are worth.

Hey, I made a GREAT tasting cake, do you think I can charge $1000 a piece while the other guy is charging $5 a piece for the same cake? Hey the other cake might not be as great tasting, but it is definitely worth the $5 rather than $1000 per slice.

Businesses have expenses and sometimes it takes YEARS before they even see a profit. Businesses have limitations on what they can pay, and they are going to pay based on the worth and value of the employee. If you are an employee that can be easily replaced and you demand too much, then you will be replaced and have NO job. This is the way of the world and this way encourages people to be more innovative and more fair in the long run.

I understand all of that. I’m just thinking of how can the process be made to be better or more equitable.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If you think you made it on your own, go to Haiti and make a billion dollars.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

CEOs put in the work. Contrary to popular opinion, these are people who work 60-80 or more hours every week and the success or failure of the company lands directly on their shoulders. Derrrr.

Yes many of them do but many of their employees can also work 60-80 hours every week too but are paid 100x or more less than top executives. I'm not saying that government needs to change that but it's just interesting to me that those CEOs and top executives don't seem to want to close that gap for the people who help that company succeed.

They all contribute to the success of a company. it's just some contributions are worth more than others. The top players always make a ton more money than those under them.

You see a pitcher at a professional ball game making 7 million a year. What are the popcorn and beer venders making? What about the field crew that gets the field ready for the game? How about the parking lot attendant sweating in that hot garage?

A guy I knew years ago was a roadie for a rock band. He had to travel all over the country, lived out of hotel rooms, and not very nice ones either. They had to lug all that equipment into the places they played, leg it back out, load it into the tractor-trailers, and move on to the next city. The musicians? The heaviest things they picked up were a pair of drum sticks, a microphone or a guitar. They made millions a year for something they loved doing, and the roadies made crap.