Should Billionaires Even Exist?

[ChrisL]

Sorry, but it is not up to others to take care of you. If you want a better job and better pay, then you have to make yourself more attractive and more valuable to a potential employer. A person collecting social services is usually qualified to receive grants for training programs in order to help them get better job opportunities. But then you have to perform to prove you are a valuable asset and worth what you are getting paid.

There's no doubt that better educated and skilled people have a greater potential for valued productivity.

But, pure dumb ass labor produces some of the most valuable of all work - and they should be paid on par with the value of their work - not on par with their financial desperation.

It doesn't take much brains to dig a ditch, but without ditch diggers we would all die.

That's now how you are paid. Your value as a worker is what your employer can pay somebody else to do your job. That's all you are worth.

Do you think that's a good process? Would you change anything about it?

I didn't say if it was good or bad, I'm just saying that's the way it is. But you can't blame businesses for doing the same thing that you and I do all the time with people that work for us.

But would you change anything about that process if you could redefine it? I don't really have anybody that works for me personally but if I did it would cause chaos in my brain trying to think of how to take care of them.

Are you their momma or something? Goodness. You are not responsible for taking care of anyone but your own children. These people are not children. They are fully formed adults (allegedly). They should be able to take care of themselves! This is the problem with the world today. Weakness.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[ChrisL]

Personally, I would find it highly insulting that someone felt they had to "take care of me." But then, I have my pride and my integrity.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

There's no doubt that better educated and skilled people have a greater potential for valued productivity.

But, pure dumb ass labor produces some of the most valuable of all work - and they should be paid on par with the value of their work - not on par with their financial desperation.

It doesn't take much brains to dig a ditch, but without ditch diggers we would all die.

That's now how you are paid. Your value as a worker is what your employer can pay somebody else to do your job. That's all you are worth.

Do you think that's a good process? Would you change anything about it?

I didn't say if it was good or bad, I'm just saying that's the way it is. But you can't blame businesses for doing the same thing that you and I do all the time with people that work for us.

But would you change anything about that process if you could redefine it? I don't really have anybody that works for me personally but if I did it would cause chaos in my brain trying to think of how to take care of them.

Are you their momma or something? Goodness. You are not responsible for taking care of anyone but your own children. These people are not children. They are fully formed adults (allegedly). They should be able to take care of themselves! This is the problem with the world today. Weakness.

I just care. I don't see that as a problem or a sign of weakness but i'm also not in a position to decide those things right now for other people. I work for my church and I support the elders and staff.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Sorry, but it is not up to others to take care of you. If you want a better job and better pay, then you have to make yourself more attractive and more valuable to a potential employer. A person collecting social services is usually qualified to receive grants for training programs in order to help them get better job opportunities. But then you have to perform to prove you are a valuable asset and worth what you are getting paid.

There's no doubt that better educated and skilled people have a greater potential for valued productivity.

But, pure dumb ass labor produces some of the most valuable of all work - and they should be paid on par with the value of their work - not on par with their financial desperation.

It doesn't take much brains to dig a ditch, but without ditch diggers we would all die.

That's now how you are paid. Your value as a worker is what your employer can pay somebody else to do your job. That's all you are worth.

Do you think that's a good process? Would you change anything about it?

They are paid according to the market value of their services. How else would you judge the value of their work?

I'm not really sure. Just because a role or job is designated as a certain level or grade by the generic "market" doesn't necessarily mean that businesses can't redefine or revalue those roles based on how those jobs impact it in my opinion. If you build a house which trade is more valuable? which non-construction job associated with that build is more valuable? without any of them the house wouldn't be built.

I don't think you understand what I meant by the market value of their services. When you apply for a job you are offering to sell your services to an employer, and the market value of your services is determined by what other prospective employees are willing to sell their services for. So if you ask more than someone else who is competent to do the job, you won't be hired. The employer is not arbitrarily assigning wages; he is obeying the laws of supply and demand.

 

[ChrisL]

That's now how you are paid. Your value as a worker is what your employer can pay somebody else to do your job. That's all you are worth.

Do you think that's a good process? Would you change anything about it?

I didn't say if it was good or bad, I'm just saying that's the way it is. But you can't blame businesses for doing the same thing that you and I do all the time with people that work for us.

But would you change anything about that process if you could redefine it? I don't really have anybody that works for me personally but if I did it would cause chaos in my brain trying to think of how to take care of them.

Are you their momma or something? Goodness. You are not responsible for taking care of anyone but your own children. These people are not children. They are fully formed adults (allegedly). They should be able to take care of themselves! This is the problem with the world today. Weakness.

I just care. I don't see that as a problem or a sign of weakness but i'm also not in a position to decide those things right now for other people. I work for my church and I support the elders and staff.

You just care? Care about what? Put your caring into people/things/issues that DO need it, like the disabled who legitimately cannot work a job, abused children, abused animals, etc. Most of these people are people with bad work ethics who can't hold onto a job because they SUCK. Period.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Sorry, but it is not up to others to take care of you. If you want a better job and better pay, then you have to make yourself more attractive and more valuable to a potential employer. A person collecting social services is usually qualified to receive grants for training programs in order to help them get better job opportunities. But then you have to perform to prove you are a valuable asset and worth what you are getting paid.

There's no doubt that better educated and skilled people have a greater potential for valued productivity.

But, pure dumb ass labor produces some of the most valuable of all work - and they should be paid on par with the value of their work - not on par with their financial desperation.

It doesn't take much brains to dig a ditch, but without ditch diggers we would all die.

That's now how you are paid. Your value as a worker is what your employer can pay somebody else to do your job. That's all you are worth.

Do you think that's a good process? Would you change anything about it?

They are paid according to the market value of their services. How else would you judge the value of their work?

If their father is the VP of the United States?

Absolutely. Who else could have supplied the level of protection for the company that Hunter and his dad did and how much would they have charged?

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

Do you think that's a good process? Would you change anything about it?

I didn't say if it was good or bad, I'm just saying that's the way it is. But you can't blame businesses for doing the same thing that you and I do all the time with people that work for us.

But would you change anything about that process if you could redefine it? I don't really have anybody that works for me personally but if I did it would cause chaos in my brain trying to think of how to take care of them.

Are you their momma or something? Goodness. You are not responsible for taking care of anyone but your own children. These people are not children. They are fully formed adults (allegedly). They should be able to take care of themselves! This is the problem with the world today. Weakness.

I just care. I don't see that as a problem or a sign of weakness but i'm also not in a position to decide those things right now for other people. I work for my church and I support the elders and staff.

You just care? Care about what? Put your caring into people/things/issues that DO need it, like the disabled who legitimately cannot work a job, abused children, abused animals, etc. Most of these people are people with bad work ethics who can't hold onto a job because they SUCK. Period.

I care about their livelihoods, their families, them as a person. There are a lot of people that work really really hard and struggle to make progress. If I were a business owner or CEO and I knew that my salary was hundreds of times greater than those people it would not sit well with me personally.

 

[ChrisL]

Personal anecdote: I went to school with a girl named Linda. Linda was a complete . . . **** up. Linda showed up for final exams wearing sunglasses, hung over and slept through half of our lectures. Two weeks after graduation, I had a job. Linda could not find work. I also have countless experiences with coworkers who did not pull their own weight, showed up late, playing on their computers/phones instead of working, taking sick days all the time, who ***** and moan and complain when they don't get raises. Puhleese. This world would be a better place if people realized there are consequences for their actions (or inactions). There are PLENTY of opportunities here (in fact probably more here in America than any other place in the world) to better yourself, to take job training, computer classes, etc. If some people would rather demand a raise when they continue to behave like dirtbags, I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[ChrisL]

I didn't say if it was good or bad, I'm just saying that's the way it is. But you can't blame businesses for doing the same thing that you and I do all the time with people that work for us.

But would you change anything about that process if you could redefine it? I don't really have anybody that works for me personally but if I did it would cause chaos in my brain trying to think of how to take care of them.

Are you their momma or something? Goodness. You are not responsible for taking care of anyone but your own children. These people are not children. They are fully formed adults (allegedly). They should be able to take care of themselves! This is the problem with the world today. Weakness.

I just care. I don't see that as a problem or a sign of weakness but i'm also not in a position to decide those things right now for other people. I work for my church and I support the elders and staff.

You just care? Care about what? Put your caring into people/things/issues that DO need it, like the disabled who legitimately cannot work a job, abused children, abused animals, etc. Most of these people are people with bad work ethics who can't hold onto a job because they SUCK. Period.

I care about their livelihoods, their families, them as a person. There are a lot of people that work really really hard and struggle to make progress. If I were a business owner or CEO and I knew that my salary was hundreds of times greater than those people it would not sit well with me personally.

IF you are the CEO, it is because you EARNED that position and that title by hard work and taking on MUCH more responsibility than your "workers." You must be very young and inexperienced or extremely sheltered person. Go get a job in a city somewhere and you will learn a thing or two about real life.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Do you think that's a good process? Would you change anything about it?

I didn't say if it was good or bad, I'm just saying that's the way it is. But you can't blame businesses for doing the same thing that you and I do all the time with people that work for us.

But would you change anything about that process if you could redefine it? I don't really have anybody that works for me personally but if I did it would cause chaos in my brain trying to think of how to take care of them.

Are you their momma or something? Goodness. You are not responsible for taking care of anyone but your own children. These people are not children. They are fully formed adults (allegedly). They should be able to take care of themselves! This is the problem with the world today. Weakness.

I just care. I don't see that as a problem or a sign of weakness but i'm also not in a position to decide those things right now for other people. I work for my church and I support the elders and staff.

You just care? Care about what? Put your caring into people/things/issues that DO need it, like the disabled who legitimately cannot work a job, abused children, abused animals, etc. Most of these people are people with bad work ethics who can't hold onto a job because they SUCK. Period.

Working in industry myself, I can say a lot of times, people work lower wage jobs because they don't drug test. Better paying jobs do. It's a huge problem for employers these days.

Several years ago, I was renting an apartment to a younger couple. They both worked food jobs. He worked at McDonald's and she worked for Pizza Hut. They were good kids, always paid rent albeit late usually, but all and all, no complaints. They stayed with me for seven years.

They were both pot smokers, and worked those jobs because they didn't drug test. Lord knows how much more they could have earned if they could have just given that up. But apparently, they couldn't, or didn't want to.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

Personal anecdote: I went to school with a girl named Linda. Linda was a complete . . . **** up. Linda showed up for final exams wearing sunglasses, hung over and slept through half of our lectures. Two weeks after graduation, I had a job. Linda could not find work. I also have countless experiences with coworkers who did not pull their own weight, showed up late, playing on their computers/phones instead of working, taking sick days all the time, who ***** and moan and complain when they don't get raises. Puhleese. This world would be a better place if people realized there are consequences for their actions (or inactions). There are PLENTY of opportunities here (in fact probably more here in America than any other place in the world) to better yourself, to take job training, computer classes, etc. If some people would rather demand a raise when they continue to behave like dirtbags, I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

Ok but I think you are making the mistake of assuming that only lazy or bad employees are struggling to progress or find success. There are also a lot of hard working people who dont call in sick, that don't show up late or play on their phones but still find themselves stuck or struggling with their career and finances.

 

[ChrisL]

CEOs put in the work. Contrary to popular opinion, these are people who work 60-80 or more hours every week and the success or failure of the company lands directly on their shoulders. Derrrr.

 

[ChrisL]

That's now how you are paid. Your value as a worker is what your employer can pay somebody else to do your job. That's all you are worth.

Do you think that's a good process? Would you change anything about it?

They are paid according to the market value of their services. How else would you judge the value of their work?

I'm not really sure. Just because a role or job is designated as a certain level or grade by the generic "market" doesn't necessarily mean that businesses can't redefine or revalue those roles based on how those jobs impact it in my opinion. If you build a house which trade is more valuable? which non-construction job associated with that build is more valuable? without any of them the house wouldn't be built.

I don't think you understand what I meant by the market value of their services. When you apply for a job you are offering to sell your services to an employer, and the market value of your services is determined by what other prospective employees are willing to sell their services for. So if you ask more than someone else who is competent to do the job, you won't be hired. The employer is not arbitrarily assigning wages; he is obeying the laws of supply and demand.

But what about the thousands of jobs out there that have set hourly rates no matter

Personal anecdote: I went to school with a girl named Linda. Linda was a complete . . . **** up. Linda showed up for final exams wearing sunglasses, hung over and slept through half of our lectures. Two weeks after graduation, I had a job. Linda could not find work. I also have countless experiences with coworkers who did not pull their own weight, showed up late, playing on their computers/phones instead of working, taking sick days all the time, who ***** and moan and complain when they don't get raises. Puhleese. This world would be a better place if people realized there are consequences for their actions (or inactions). There are PLENTY of opportunities here (in fact probably more here in America than any other place in the world) to better yourself, to take job training, computer classes, etc. If some people would rather demand a raise when they continue to behave like dirtbags, I don't feel sorry for them one bit.

Ok but I think you are making the mistake of assuming that only lazy or bad employees are struggling to progress or find success. There are also a lot of hard working people who dont call in sick, that don't show up late or play on their phones but still find themselves stuck or struggling with their career and finances.

Then they should look for another job. Most of the time, you will get a raise if you put in the effort. As a person who actually IS experienced in the work force, I can tell you that much.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Sorry, but it is not up to others to take care of you. If you want a better job and better pay, then you have to make yourself more attractive and more valuable to a potential employer. A person collecting social services is usually qualified to receive grants for training programs in order to help them get better job opportunities. But then you have to perform to prove you are a valuable asset and worth what you are getting paid.

There's no doubt that better educated and skilled people have a greater potential for valued productivity.

But, pure dumb ass labor produces some of the most valuable of all work - and they should be paid on par with the value of their work - not on par with their financial desperation.

It doesn't take much brains to dig a ditch, but without ditch diggers we would all die.

That's now how you are paid. Your value as a worker is what your employer can pay somebody else to do your job. That's all you are worth.

Do you think that's a good process? Would you change anything about it?

They are paid according to the market value of their services. How else would you judge the value of their work?

If leftists would stop supporting illegal immigration, then our wage gaps would not be so bad anyways. When you invite people into the country who will work for peanuts, then the value of your job is going to be less.

Bernie Sanders agrees with you.

At an event hosted by the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce on Thursday, Democratic candidate for president Sen. Bernie Sanders made it clear he is against open borders because it drives down the wages of American workers.

Responding to the criticism he received from Hispanic groups after an interview with Ezra Klein of Vox earlier this week where he made similar comments Sanders dismissed them as organizations who support "completely opening up the border."

"What they are talking about is completely opening up the border," Sanders responded. "That was the question. Should we have a completely open border so that anyone can come in the United States of America? If that were to happen, which I strongly disagree with, there is no question in my mind that that would substantially lower wages in this country."

Sanders also addressed the already high unemployment rate of Hispanic and African-American youth and how illegal immigration would affect their job opportunities.

"When you have 36-percent of Hispanic kids in this country who can't find jobs and you bring a lot of unskilled workers in the country what do you think happens to that 36-percent of kids of today who are unemployed? 51% of African-American kids [are unemployed]," Sanders said.

"I frankly do not believe we should be bringing in significant numbers of unskilled workers to compete with those kids," Sanders made clear.

Bernie Sanders Against Open Borders: "Would Substantially Lower Wages In This Country"

Ooops! That was in 2015, how times have changed.

 

[ChrisL]

There's no doubt that better educated and skilled people have a greater potential for valued productivity.

But, pure dumb ass labor produces some of the most valuable of all work - and they should be paid on par with the value of their work - not on par with their financial desperation.

It doesn't take much brains to dig a ditch, but without ditch diggers we would all die.

That's now how you are paid. Your value as a worker is what your employer can pay somebody else to do your job. That's all you are worth.

Do you think that's a good process? Would you change anything about it?

They are paid according to the market value of their services. How else would you judge the value of their work?

If leftists would stop supporting illegal immigration, then our wage gaps would not be so bad anyways. When you invite people into the country who will work for peanuts, then the value of your job is going to be less.

Bernie Sanders agrees with you.

At an event hosted by the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce on Thursday, Democratic candidate for president Sen. Bernie Sanders made it clear he is against open borders because it drives down the wages of American workers.

Responding to the criticism he received from Hispanic groups after an interview with Ezra Klein of Vox earlier this week where he made similar comments Sanders dismissed them as organizations who support "completely opening up the border."

"What they are talking about is completely opening up the border," Sanders responded. "That was the question. Should we have a completely open border so that anyone can come in the United States of America? If that were to happen, which I strongly disagree with, there is no question in my mind that that would substantially lower wages in this country."

Sanders also addressed the already high unemployment rate of Hispanic and African-American youth and how illegal immigration would affect their job opportunities.

"When you have 36-percent of Hispanic kids in this country who can't find jobs and you bring a lot of unskilled workers in the country what do you think happens to that 36-percent of kids of today who are unemployed? 51% of African-American kids [are unemployed]," Sanders said.

"I frankly do not believe we should be bringing in significant numbers of unskilled workers to compete with those kids," Sanders made clear.

Bernie Sanders Against Open Borders: "Would Substantially Lower Wages In This Country"

Ooops! That was in 2015, how times have changed.

Holy smokes! Something I can actually agree with Bernie about! Pigs must be flying right now!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I didn't say if it was good or bad, I'm just saying that's the way it is. But you can't blame businesses for doing the same thing that you and I do all the time with people that work for us.

But would you change anything about that process if you could redefine it? I don't really have anybody that works for me personally but if I did it would cause chaos in my brain trying to think of how to take care of them.

Are you their momma or something? Goodness. You are not responsible for taking care of anyone but your own children. These people are not children. They are fully formed adults (allegedly). They should be able to take care of themselves! This is the problem with the world today. Weakness.

I just care. I don't see that as a problem or a sign of weakness but i'm also not in a position to decide those things right now for other people. I work for my church and I support the elders and staff.

You just care? Care about what? Put your caring into people/things/issues that DO need it, like the disabled who legitimately cannot work a job, abused children, abused animals, etc. Most of these people are people with bad work ethics who can't hold onto a job because they SUCK. Period.

I care about their livelihoods, their families, them as a person. There are a lot of people that work really really hard and struggle to make progress. If I were a business owner or CEO and I knew that my salary was hundreds of times greater than those people it would not sit well with me personally.

Then the solution is simple. Become a CEO yourself, and start a trend by working for much less money than other CEO's. Open a business and do the same.

 

[ChrisL]

There's no doubt that better educated and skilled people have a greater potential for valued productivity.

But, pure dumb ass labor produces some of the most valuable of all work - and they should be paid on par with the value of their work - not on par with their financial desperation.

It doesn't take much brains to dig a ditch, but without ditch diggers we would all die.

That's now how you are paid. Your value as a worker is what your employer can pay somebody else to do your job. That's all you are worth.

Do you think that's a good process? Would you change anything about it?

They are paid according to the market value of their services. How else would you judge the value of their work?

If leftists would stop supporting illegal immigration, then our wage gaps would not be so bad anyways. When you invite people into the country who will work for peanuts, then the value of your job is going to be less.

Bernie Sanders agrees with you.

At an event hosted by the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce on Thursday, Democratic candidate for president Sen. Bernie Sanders made it clear he is against open borders because it drives down the wages of American workers.

Responding to the criticism he received from Hispanic groups after an interview with Ezra Klein of Vox earlier this week where he made similar comments Sanders dismissed them as organizations who support "completely opening up the border."

"What they are talking about is completely opening up the border," Sanders responded. "That was the question. Should we have a completely open border so that anyone can come in the United States of America? If that were to happen, which I strongly disagree with, there is no question in my mind that that would substantially lower wages in this country."

Sanders also addressed the already high unemployment rate of Hispanic and African-American youth and how illegal immigration would affect their job opportunities.

"When you have 36-percent of Hispanic kids in this country who can't find jobs and you bring a lot of unskilled workers in the country what do you think happens to that 36-percent of kids of today who are unemployed? 51% of African-American kids [are unemployed]," Sanders said.

"I frankly do not believe we should be bringing in significant numbers of unskilled workers to compete with those kids," Sanders made clear.

Bernie Sanders Against Open Borders: "Would Substantially Lower Wages In This Country"

Ooops! That was in 2015, how times have changed.

Oh, I see. That is not his position anymore. LOL! I'm sure his feelings about it could not have changed so drastically. He is just lying to get dem votes.

 

[SweetTea]

So if you ask more than someone else who is competent to do the job, you won't be hired. The employer is not arbitrarily assigning wages; he is obeying the laws of supply and demand.

Exactly, but competency is one thing and hard work and conscientiousness is quite another. They don't necessarily go hand in hand. You may start at the going rate for a given job, but due to our great society which allows for unlimited upward mobility, if you stand out you can demand more money. If your demand is more than what the employer is willing to pay, despite your hard work, then you need to find a different profession. Doctors will always make more than ditch diggers. If you feel you are worth more than what being a ditch digger pays, then do something to better yourself.