Should any prez be making recommendations for opening investigations based on reports by fringe media outlets?

[berg80]

Trump falsely suggests FBI agents to blame for igniting Jan. 6 violence​

President Donald Trump on Saturday falsely accused the FBI of fomenting the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol — a sharp escalation of his attacks on the bureau and his effort to downplay the violence a mob of his supporters inflicted that day.

Trump on social media said the FBI had “secretly placed” 274 agents into the crowd of rioters who stormed the Capitol to disrupt the certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.

In reality, the inspector general of the Justice Department revealed 10 months ago that “hundreds” of FBI agents went to the Capitol to assist at the request of the beleaguered Capitol Police. The bureau also had personnel responding to pipe bombs placed outside the national Republican and Democratic parties’ headquarters and to a vehicle full of explosives.

The inspector general did find that 26 FBI confidential sources — who are not employees of the bureau but have at times shared information — were among the crowd that day. But nearly all of them, the IG found, did not tell the bureau of their plans to attend, and none were instructed to violate any laws or participate in the riot.

The IG report also found “no evidence” that the agency had “undercover employees in the various protest crowds, or at the Capitol, on January 6.”

The president’s post appears to be an escalation that falsely accuses the agency of inciting the riot, based on a series of reports across conservative websites. On Thursday, Just The News said it obtained an “after action report” that was turned over to a recently launched House subcommittee to reinvestigate Jan. 6. Just The News claimed the report — of which the veracity has not been confirmed by POLITICO — revealed the FBI “had a total of 274 agents deployed to the Capitol in plainclothes and with guns after the violence started” but with no clear identification.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/27/trump-january-6-fbi-00583383

Trump says he 'would think' DOJ is investigating former FBI Director Christopher Wray​

President Donald Trump, in an exclusive interview Sunday with NBC News, accused former FBI Director Christopher Wray of “inappropriate” behavior during his tenure and said he “would think” the Justice Department is investigating him.

“I would imagine. I would certainly imagine. I would think they are doing that,” Trump said in a phone call when he was asked whether the Justice Department should investigate Wray.

Trump accused him of wrongdoing in the interview, saying Wray, who resigned at the end of the Biden administration, “did a terrible job and we just found out about it.”

“I think it’s very inappropriate what he, what he did. And I think a lot of his service was very inappropriate. But we haven’t gone beyond that. Don’t forget, we just found out about all of these FBI agents being there,” he said. The comment about FBI agents’ “being there” was an apparent reference to an unfounded accusation Trump posted Saturday on Truth Social alleging that the FBI “secretly placed, against all Rules, Regulations, Protocols, and Standards, 274 FBI Agents into the Crowd just prior to, and during, the January 6th Hoax.”

Trump says he 'would think' DOJ is investigating former FBI Director Christopher Wray

In an interview with NBC News on a variety of topics, President Donald Trump said "I would think they are doing that" when he was asked about a potential Wray investigation by the DOJ.

www.nbcnews.com

Don wants an investigation initiated into Chris Wray based on nutty media outlet reports, not the IG's report. He's the prez. Why didn't he already know about the findings of the IG on this matter?

Or is that not the problem? Perhaps the problem is he'd rather believe what he sees on right wing sites peddling absolute, conspiratorial crap than the reality of what occurred on Jan. 6 because of his culpability for it.

 

[Meathead]

Trump falsely suggests FBI agents to blame for igniting Jan. 6 violence​

President Donald Trump on Saturday falsely accused the FBI of fomenting the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol — a sharp escalation of his attacks on the bureau and his effort to downplay the violence a mob of his supporters inflicted that day.

Trump on social media said the FBI had “secretly placed” 274 agents into the crowd of rioters who stormed the Capitol to disrupt the certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.

In reality, the inspector general of the Justice Department revealed 10 months ago that “hundreds” of FBI agents went to the Capitol to assist at the request of the beleaguered Capitol Police. The bureau also had personnel responding to pipe bombs placed outside the national Republican and Democratic parties’ headquarters and to a vehicle full of explosives.

The inspector general did find that 26 FBI confidential sources — who are not employees of the bureau but have at times shared information — were among the crowd that day. But nearly all of them, the IG found, did not tell the bureau of their plans to attend, and none were instructed to violate any laws or participate in the riot.

The IG report also found “no evidence” that the agency had “undercover employees in the various protest crowds, or at the Capitol, on January 6.”

The president’s post appears to be an escalation that falsely accuses the agency of inciting the riot, based on a series of reports across conservative websites. On Thursday, Just The News said it obtained an “after action report” that was turned over to a recently launched House subcommittee to reinvestigate Jan. 6. Just The News claimed the report — of which the veracity has not been confirmed by POLITICO — revealed the FBI “had a total of 274 agents deployed to the Capitol in plainclothes and with guns after the violence started” but with no clear identification.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/27/trump-january-6-fbi-00583383

Trump says he 'would think' DOJ is investigating former FBI Director Christopher Wray​

President Donald Trump, in an exclusive interview Sunday with NBC News, accused former FBI Director Christopher Wray of “inappropriate” behavior during his tenure and said he “would think” the Justice Department is investigating him.

“I would imagine. I would certainly imagine. I would think they are doing that,” Trump said in a phone call when he was asked whether the Justice Department should investigate Wray.

Trump accused him of wrongdoing in the interview, saying Wray, who resigned at the end of the Biden administration, “did a terrible job and we just found out about it.”

“I think it’s very inappropriate what he, what he did. And I think a lot of his service was very inappropriate. But we haven’t gone beyond that. Don’t forget, we just found out about all of these FBI agents being there,” he said. The comment about FBI agents’ “being there” was an apparent reference to an unfounded accusation Trump posted Saturday on Truth Social alleging that the FBI “secretly placed, against all Rules, Regulations, Protocols, and Standards, 274 FBI Agents into the Crowd just prior to, and during, the January 6th Hoax.”

Trump says he 'would think' DOJ is investigating former FBI Director Christopher Wray

In an interview with NBC News on a variety of topics, President Donald Trump said "I would think they are doing that" when he was asked about a potential Wray investigation by the DOJ.

www.nbcnews.com

Don wants an investigation initiated into Chris Wray based on nutty media outlet reports, not the IG's report. He's the prez. Why didn't he already know about the findings of the IG on this matter?

Or is that not the problem? Perhaps the problem is he'd rather believe what he sees on right wing sites peddling absolute, conspiratorial crap than the reality of what occurred on Jan. 6 because of his culpability for it.

After Russiagate any investigation by anyone no longer needs to be justified.

 

[Marener]

After Russiagate any investigation by anyone no longer needs to be justified.

Trump told a bald face lie to the American people.

 

[Darkwind]

The fringe being CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, and the NY Times.

No.


The era of honest and truthful investigative reporting is over. In the past, reporting on lawbreaking was based on the truth and information. Those outlets listed above have ceased to be sincere, dispassionate investigators. They are wholly owned subsidiaries of the DNC.

 

[berg80]

Trump told a bald face lie to the American people.

Which happens every day. Perhaps, in part, because instead of reading this..........

https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/25-011.pdf

........he's reading "The Blaze."

 

[berg80]

The fringe being CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, and the NY Times.

No.


The era of honest and truthful investigative reporting is over. In the past, reporting on lawbreaking was based on the truth and information. Those outlets listed above have ceased to be sincere, dispassionate investigators. They are wholly owned subsidiaries of the DNC.

The prez should not be suggesting the former head of the FBI needs to be investigated based on misinformation when an accurate report on the matter is available to him. https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/25-011.pdf

Agree or disagree?

 

[Dekster]

Trump falsely suggests FBI agents to blame for igniting Jan. 6 violence​

President Donald Trump on Saturday falsely accused the FBI of fomenting the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol — a sharp escalation of his attacks on the bureau and his effort to downplay the violence a mob of his supporters inflicted that day.

Trump on social media said the FBI had “secretly placed” 274 agents into the crowd of rioters who stormed the Capitol to disrupt the certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.

In reality, the inspector general of the Justice Department revealed 10 months ago that “hundreds” of FBI agents went to the Capitol to assist at the request of the beleaguered Capitol Police. The bureau also had personnel responding to pipe bombs placed outside the national Republican and Democratic parties’ headquarters and to a vehicle full of explosives.

The inspector general did find that 26 FBI confidential sources — who are not employees of the bureau but have at times shared information — were among the crowd that day. But nearly all of them, the IG found, did not tell the bureau of their plans to attend, and none were instructed to violate any laws or participate in the riot.

The IG report also found “no evidence” that the agency had “undercover employees in the various protest crowds, or at the Capitol, on January 6.”

The president’s post appears to be an escalation that falsely accuses the agency of inciting the riot, based on a series of reports across conservative websites. On Thursday, Just The News said it obtained an “after action report” that was turned over to a recently launched House subcommittee to reinvestigate Jan. 6. Just The News claimed the report — of which the veracity has not been confirmed by POLITICO — revealed the FBI “had a total of 274 agents deployed to the Capitol in plainclothes and with guns after the violence started” but with no clear identification.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/27/trump-january-6-fbi-00583383

Trump says he 'would think' DOJ is investigating former FBI Director Christopher Wray​

President Donald Trump, in an exclusive interview Sunday with NBC News, accused former FBI Director Christopher Wray of “inappropriate” behavior during his tenure and said he “would think” the Justice Department is investigating him.

“I would imagine. I would certainly imagine. I would think they are doing that,” Trump said in a phone call when he was asked whether the Justice Department should investigate Wray.

Trump accused him of wrongdoing in the interview, saying Wray, who resigned at the end of the Biden administration, “did a terrible job and we just found out about it.”

“I think it’s very inappropriate what he, what he did. And I think a lot of his service was very inappropriate. But we haven’t gone beyond that. Don’t forget, we just found out about all of these FBI agents being there,” he said. The comment about FBI agents’ “being there” was an apparent reference to an unfounded accusation Trump posted Saturday on Truth Social alleging that the FBI “secretly placed, against all Rules, Regulations, Protocols, and Standards, 274 FBI Agents into the Crowd just prior to, and during, the January 6th Hoax.”

Trump says he 'would think' DOJ is investigating former FBI Director Christopher Wray

In an interview with NBC News on a variety of topics, President Donald Trump said "I would think they are doing that" when he was asked about a potential Wray investigation by the DOJ.

www.nbcnews.com

Don wants an investigation initiated into Chris Wray based on nutty media outlet reports, not the IG's report. He's the prez. Why didn't he already know about the findings of the IG on this matter?

Or is that not the problem? Perhaps the problem is he'd rather believe what he sees on right wing sites peddling absolute, conspiratorial crap than the reality of what occurred on Jan. 6 because of his culpability for it.

The whole Monica oval office BJ thing started on the then fringe site Drudge Report IIRC and look where that lead. Things are true or they are not, Doesn't matter who reported it first be it the WSJ or Aunt Bertha's facebook page.

 

[berg80]

The whole Monica oval office BJ thing started on the then fringe site Drudge Report IIRC and look where that lead. Things are true or they are not, Doesn't matter who reported it first be it the WSJ or Aunt Bertha's facebook page.

There are not two truthful versions of this story. There's the horseshit reported by crackpot right wing media sites and there's the IG's report. The orange piece of shit prefers the former. If you don't see that as the problem it is you might be a member of trump's cult.

 

[Dekster]

There are not two truthful versions of this story. There's the horseshit reported by crackpot right wing media sites and there's the IG's report. The orange piece of shit prefers the former. If you don't see that as the problem it is you might be a member of trump's cult.

You asked a question in your thread title and I responded to it. Your over-reliance on authority is evident in your posts. You should try more critical thinking.

As for the underlying story, they should investigate away. I have no problem with the government looking into things. As I said, things are true or they are not.

 

[berg80]

As I said, things are true or they are not.

The POTUS has chosen to believe what is not true, when the truth is readily available, because it suits his purposes.

I am not surprised you don't see that as a problem.

 

[Marener]

The fringe being CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, and the NY Times.

No.


The era of honest and truthful investigative reporting is over. In the past, reporting on lawbreaking was based on the truth and information. Those outlets listed above have ceased to be sincere, dispassionate investigators. They are wholly owned subsidiaries of the DNC.

This is exactly what corrupt authoritarians want you to believe. It makes you easier to manipulate.

 

[Dekster]

The POTUS has chosen to believe what is not true, when the truth is readily available, because it suits his purposes.

I am not surprised you don't see that as a problem.

I don't pretend to know what is or is not true about things I wasn't involved in. I am not surprised you see that as a problem.

 

[Darkwind]

This is exactly what corrupt authoritarians want you to believe. It makes you easier to manipulate.

Wow. If you cannot see it, then there is zero hope for you.

It cannot be rationally argued that the mainstream media is anything but in the pocket of the Democrats.

/thread

 

[Marener]

Wow. If you cannot see it, then there is zero hope for you.

It cannot be rationally argued that the mainstream media is anything but in the pocket of the Democrats.

/thread

You're indoctrinated. The first thing authoritarians do is intellectual capture. If they can convince you of who to believe and who not to believe, then they can control you easier.

Believe Trump. Believe liars like John Solomon. Don't believe anyone who says anything bad about them.

That's indoctrination.

 

[Billiejeens]

Trump falsely suggests ​

"FBI agents to blame for igniting Jan. 6 violence"​

Of course,
We all saw it
It has been confirmed by classified documents.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Should any prez be making recommendations for opening investigations based on reports by fringe media outlets?​

Sounds familiarly like something nixon would say/ask...and who decides "fringe" anyway? [which is eerily similar to something the media 'MSM' would ask/say.

 

[berg80]

This is exactly what corrupt authoritarians want you to believe. It makes you easier to manipulate.

They have gone from pushing the idea that the truth is relative to the idea only they are in possession of the truth. It's Orwellian.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Trump falsely suggests FBI agents to blame for igniting Jan. 6 violence​

President Donald Trump on Saturday falsely accused the FBI of fomenting the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol — a sharp escalation of his attacks on the bureau and his effort to downplay the violence a mob of his supporters inflicted that day.

Trump on social media said the FBI had “secretly placed” 274 agents into the crowd of rioters who stormed the Capitol to disrupt the certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.

In reality, the inspector general of the Justice Department revealed 10 months ago that “hundreds” of FBI agents went to the Capitol to assist at the request of the beleaguered Capitol Police. The bureau also had personnel responding to pipe bombs placed outside the national Republican and Democratic parties’ headquarters and to a vehicle full of explosives.

The inspector general did find that 26 FBI confidential sources — who are not employees of the bureau but have at times shared information — were among the crowd that day. But nearly all of them, the IG found, did not tell the bureau of their plans to attend, and none were instructed to violate any laws or participate in the riot.

The IG report also found “no evidence” that the agency had “undercover employees in the various protest crowds, or at the Capitol, on January 6.”

The president’s post appears to be an escalation that falsely accuses the agency of inciting the riot, based on a series of reports across conservative websites. On Thursday, Just The News said it obtained an “after action report” that was turned over to a recently launched House subcommittee to reinvestigate Jan. 6. Just The News claimed the report — of which the veracity has not been confirmed by POLITICO — revealed the FBI “had a total of 274 agents deployed to the Capitol in plainclothes and with guns after the violence started” but with no clear identification.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/27/trump-january-6-fbi-00583383

Trump says he 'would think' DOJ is investigating former FBI Director Christopher Wray​

President Donald Trump, in an exclusive interview Sunday with NBC News, accused former FBI Director Christopher Wray of “inappropriate” behavior during his tenure and said he “would think” the Justice Department is investigating him.

“I would imagine. I would certainly imagine. I would think they are doing that,” Trump said in a phone call when he was asked whether the Justice Department should investigate Wray.

Trump accused him of wrongdoing in the interview, saying Wray, who resigned at the end of the Biden administration, “did a terrible job and we just found out about it.”

“I think it’s very inappropriate what he, what he did. And I think a lot of his service was very inappropriate. But we haven’t gone beyond that. Don’t forget, we just found out about all of these FBI agents being there,” he said. The comment about FBI agents’ “being there” was an apparent reference to an unfounded accusation Trump posted Saturday on Truth Social alleging that the FBI “secretly placed, against all Rules, Regulations, Protocols, and Standards, 274 FBI Agents into the Crowd just prior to, and during, the January 6th Hoax.”

Trump says he 'would think' DOJ is investigating former FBI Director Christopher Wray

In an interview with NBC News on a variety of topics, President Donald Trump said "I would think they are doing that" when he was asked about a potential Wray investigation by the DOJ.

www.nbcnews.com

Don wants an investigation initiated into Chris Wray based on nutty media outlet reports, not the IG's report. He's the prez. Why didn't he already know about the findings of the IG on this matter?

Or is that not the problem? Perhaps the problem is he'd rather believe what he sees on right wing sites peddling absolute, conspiratorial crap than the reality of what occurred on Jan. 6 because of his culpability for it.

look at you...would you call/refer to ^this^ "diversion" as a "manipulation" of naivety or just straight up bamboozled by trump?

 

[berg80]

I don't pretend to know what is or is not true about things I wasn't involved in. I am not surprised you see that as a problem.

This...........“I think it’s very inappropriate what he, what he did. And I think a lot of his service was very inappropriate. But we haven’t gone beyond that. Don’t forget, we just found out about all of these FBI agents being there,” he said. The comment about FBI agents’ “being there” was an apparent reference to an unfounded accusation Trump posted Saturday on Truth Social alleging that the FBI “secretly placed, against all Rules, Regulations, Protocols, and Standards, 274 FBI Agents into the Crowd just prior to, and during, the January 6th Hoax.”

.......is unequivocally false. Among other things I see your refusal to admit it's false, and the prez's refusal to admit it's false, as a problem.

 

[Dekster]

This...........“I think it’s very inappropriate what he, what he did. And I think a lot of his service was very inappropriate. But we haven’t gone beyond that. Don’t forget, we just found out about all of these FBI agents being there,” he said. The comment about FBI agents’ “being there” was an apparent reference to an unfounded accusation Trump posted Saturday on Truth Social alleging that the FBI “secretly placed, against all Rules, Regulations, Protocols, and Standards, 274 FBI Agents into the Crowd just prior to, and during, the January 6th Hoax.”

.......is unequivocally false. Among other things I see your refusal to admit it's false, and the prez's refusal to admit it's false, as a problem.

Yet you totally ignore the "apparent reference to an unfounded accusation". I am okay with there being an investigation while you apparently don't want it investigated because you are afraid of what they might find.