can't beat them , that's silly and sounds pretty defeatist . The west led by the USA probably could have wiped them out years ago as some say the west should have done . So , the west probably won't be able to cleanly wipe them out especially after iran gets nukes . But yeah , the west can wipe them out for the most part . Man , I tell you what , it seems to me that you Young [esp. the young] and old lefties have set yourselves up for decades , maybe centuries of war Joeb !!
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like I say , we have not yet become a country full of 'statists' like Germany and I'm proud of that and I want to see Free speech and all political parties , orgs , stay legal in the USA Joeb . He11 , you can be a lefty Hilary gun grabbing dem or a 's.p.law Center' member and contributor in the USA so why not a Nazi Joeb ?? What euro'peon' place told Germany that they couldn't have a 'nazi' party Joeb ??
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JoeB131
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actually, the war stops when we stop letting the ZIONISTS and OIL COMPANIES dictate policy.
Iran having nukes. Just not a big deal. If we can live with a nuclear North Korea, we can live with a nuclear Iran.
The reality was, we got away with what we did at the beginning of the Global War on an Emotional State because most of the Islamic World had more to fear from Al Qaeda than we did and cooperated with us. Until Bush managed to do what he did best- **** up everything.
The War on Terror was lost at Abu Grahib.
JoeB131
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Actually, the US banned the Nazi Party and did the world a favor by hanging most of their leaders.
Germans have kept the Nazis banned since and are better off for it.
We should do the same.
emilynghiem
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Yes and no, JoeB131
1. If ISIS or Al Qaeda is declared an enemy of the State, then yes, funding such a group or participating (not just labels but actual collusion or action) can count as treason and abetting the enemy.
But nobody can be automatically banned by a LABEL. LABELs are not legal or illegal.
If so, there could be "guilt by association" whether you committed a crime or not.
That's why the courts had to PROVE that Elton Simpson had actually committed a crime before they could deprive him of liberty. The burden of PROOF is on the accuser, not the accused.
You don't assume guilt by LABEL and then force the person to prove their innocence.
That is why the US is so proud of the IDEAL that our legal system was based on that takes the high road, and relies on higher justice to prevail, for truth to establish guilt and not force it by manipulation, by abuse of govt pressure and power.
2. If a group REGISTERS through the State as any kind of entity: a corporation, nonprofit, political, business, church, school, religious organization, etc. etc.
then if the group does something illegal like conspiring to violate civil rights, that CAN be proven to be criminal (such as a group setting up a website to target people with death threats, or posting revenge porn illegally by violating people's right to consent and property of their personal images, etc.) THEN YES that license or charter can be REVOKED and that group can be stopped from practicing.
3. If a person OR a group does anything ILLEGAL, violates criminal or civil laws by such unlawful acts as, for example, distributing libelous or slanderous statements, committing fraud, conspiring to violate civil rights, etc. THEN YES those violations can be charged against THAT GROUP or the PERSONS responsible for the crimes, violations, abuses, etc.
But JoeB131 nobody can just treat you as illegal by "guilt by association"
Even with gang members and terrorists, they have to PROVE that you committed a crime.
Some criminals, corporate or political abusers, or terrorists may take advantage of this system, knowing how difficult it is to ADHERE to due process,
but that's what gives America moral authority, because it takes faith in God or Truth to prevail while following procedures. And not taking shortcuts for man made manipulations of justice. Justice works without having to bypass the agreed protocol.
We lose our moral authority if we violate our own laws, which is what the terrorists are trying to do by attacking, hoping to show their system is stronger. So don't go there, don't stoop to that level. Or that makes you no better than criminals looking to skirt the law!
[People who don't get full due process under civilian laws are people counted as enemy combatants at war who go through military procedures that are different from civilian courts and process. And even that gets debated, whether to process the detainees at Gitmo under Geneva Convention standards, or what.]
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I believe this is yet another case of so much intel flooding in that nobody can connect any dots. Being "well-known" to the FBI doesn't necessarily translate to being on the FBI's radar.
Synthaholic
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Why is this a bad thing?
Neither should Islam. Throwing in a false god in with a hateful ideology doesn't make it legit.
JoeB131
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You know what, only one country has EVER used nuclear weapons on people.
That country dropped two atomic bombs on defenseless people who had already been beaten and were desperately trying to surrender.
I think out ability to lecture other countries on what kind of weapons they should be allowed to have is up there with Bristol Palin lecturing about abstinence.
JoeB131
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Uh, guy, Muslims worship the same God you Christians do. Are you saying the God of Abraham is a false God? I mean, I think he is, but it's amazing to hear one of you say it.
JoeB131
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I'm not going to plow through your verbal diarrhea. If you can't make your point in one paragraph, don't waste my time.
aww , muslims say that they worship the same God as Christian and Jews means nothing Joeb . If a Jew or Christian says the same thing it would be because he has swallowed the Taqiya, lies or muslim propaganda . Of all 3 religions 'islam' is the newest , only 1400 years old and muslims have plagiarized Christian and Jewish Holy writings as a way of sounding legitimate Joeb !!
Asclepias
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That was a dumb post. You just admitted they plagiarized off christian writings. Their god is the same just a different name. The muslims even believe in jesus as another prophet. Jesus christ is a false name. Its really jesus the christ.
not going to argue Ace , muslims came up with the concepts they have by copying Christian and Jewish writings from J and C holy books and concepts . You disagree , so what ?? muslim holy prattle is 1400 years old and J and C religions are both much older . muslims copied both J and C writings , ideas , concepts . Its called 'plagiarism' . Like I said , you disagree , fine with me Ace !!
and that should be that muslims plagiarized SOME thoughts , ideas , concepts , names , etc , etc from Jewish and Christian writings and Holy books . Some concepts like Jizya , Taqiya , conversion by the sword , people of the book , strike them at the neck are purely mohamads mad ideas and thoughts !! And that's my opinion on islam and muslims Ace !!
The God of Abraham had nothing to do with that pedophile's demented vision. Allah was one of the pagan gods Arabs worshipped at the time. He merely high jacked it in order to convince them to join his cult.
But, I really don't care about the religious aspect of Islam, it's their belief in absolute submission and history of conquest that is the problem. They cannot stand freedom of speech, so they have no place in the free world. That's probably why you progressives feel a kinship with them, you hate freedom of speech as much as they do. Progressives squeal pretty loudly when anyone disrespects the Hussein, almost as much as Muslims do about the Pedophile.
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