Shooter Devin Kelley, Dishonorable Discharged Atheist

[sealybobo]

Shooter Devin Kelley was court martialed and DD'ed in 2014 by the USAF. Although once a Bible school teacher, he became an ardent atheist, joining the group Atheist Republic and an endorser of CNN as his facebook clearly claims:

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Devin Kelley: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know


It appears that he converted to an atheist anti-fa agent and decided to murder as many white conservatives as he possibly could.

This has been debunked

 

[sealybobo]

Kelly was a white homegrown terrorist who beat his wife and cracked his baby stepson's skull - and even after being dishonorably discharged from the military for committing these acts - he was still somehow legally allowed to buy assault weapons. The NICS system seems to be nothing but garbage in and garbage out.

Air Force Failed To Enter Church Shooter’s Domestic Violence Record In U.S. Database

Devin Patrick Kelley was convicted of domestic assault, which should have kept him from buying a gun.

The Air Force failed to record the Texas church shooter’s domestic violence conviction in a federal database that would have kept him from buying a gun, according a source who spoke to NPR and a purported leaked draft statement from the Air Force obtained by HuffPost.

Devin Patrick Kelley, who served at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, was convicted by a general court martial on two charges of domestic assault against his wife and stepson before being released with a bad conduct discharge in 2014.

Under federal law, his conviction prohibited him from buying or possessing firearms. But it appears Kelley’s domestic violence offense was never entered into the National Criminal Information Center database by the Holloman’s Office of Special Investigation, allowing him to pass a background check and legally purchase a firearm.

AIR FORCE NEVER ENTERED SHOOTER IN CRIME DATABASE

The Air Force appears to be legally liable for failure to enter this information into the NCIS federal criminal background system - which would have prevented Kelley from being able to legally buy guns.

Conservatives if they had their way would eliminate that law. And they'd point to this incident as proof the law didn't do any good

 

[Freewill]

Just another fruit cake...as if ANTIFA would target a church. Why is it you all insist that every demon be YOUR personal demon?

My question for the day..a dishonorable discharge carries the same penalties as a felony..that includes the loss of gun rights. So..where did he get his weapon? Was LE aware that he was armed?
This is not a 2nd amendment issue..so calm the f down. This is a convicted criminal with an illegal weapon.

Of course Antifa and the liberal left will not directly target churches. But, their everyday rhetoric tears down the fabric of America. Their drone that all the problems are not of their own doing it is white America's fault serves no good. Their support of abortion diminishes the value of life. Their tacit support of cop killers and preaching against law enforcement has resulted in how many deaths? Does Antifa or the liberals actually kill anyone? No more so then Hitler killed the Jews himself.

 

[sealybobo]

Atheism is just another word for "hateful ideology".

Lack of religious ideology is "hateful ideology"? I would not like to know your definition of logic.

No, ATHEISM is a hateful ideology.

No it's not. Some atheists might be hateful but so are a lot of muslims and christians.

What part of atheism is hateful?

 

[mudwhistle]

I said 2 years ago that Obama and the media were intentionally using inflammatory, hateful rhetoric to create more of these mass-shootings. That is what Fast & Furious was about. Making sure the wrong people had guns and then letting them murder people along the Southern border. It was just one method they planned on using to take away our 2nd Amendment rights. This scumbag was allowed to buy guns by the government. The government and their corrupt media friends gave him the incentive to do murder. Now they're walking out of a moment of silence in congress and posting protest videos.

**** them all.

 

[sealybobo]

Just another fruit cake...as if ANTIFA would target a church. Why is it you all insist that every demon be YOUR personal demon?

My question for the day..a dishonorable discharge carries the same penalties as a felony..that includes the loss of gun rights. So..where did he get his weapon? Was LE aware that he was armed?
This is not a 2nd amendment issue..so calm the f down. This is a convicted criminal with an illegal weapon.

Of course Antifa and the liberal left will not directly target churches. But, their everyday rhetoric tears down the fabric of America. Their drone that all the problems are not of their own doing it is white America's fault serves no good. Their support of abortion diminishes the value of life. Their tacit support of cop killers and preaching against law enforcement has resulted in how many deaths? Does Antifa or the liberals actually kill anyone? No more so then Hitler killed the Jews himself.

Ya can't blame a black or Muslim. This is the result of carl rove, Steve bannon, rush, fox. One of your own. He was even a military guy. No anti fa here

 

[sealybobo]

I said 2 years ago that Obama and the media were intentionally using inflammatory, hateful rhetoric to create more of these mass-shootings. That is what Fast & Furious was about. Making sure the wrong people had guns and then letting them murder people along the Southern border. It was just one method they planned on using to take away our 2nd Amendment rights. This scumbag was allowed to buy guns by the government. The government and their corrupt media friends gave him the incentive to do murder. Now they're walking out of a moment of silence in congress and posting protest videos.

**** them all.

And the vegas shooter?

 

[mudwhistle]

I said 2 years ago that Obama and the media were intentionally using inflammatory, hateful rhetoric to create more of these mass-shootings. That is what Fast & Furious was about. Making sure the wrong people had guns and then letting them murder people along the Southern border. It was just one method they planned on using to take away our 2nd Amendment rights. This scumbag was allowed to buy guns by the government. The government and their corrupt media friends gave him the incentive to do murder. Now they're walking out of a moment of silence in congress and posting protest videos.

**** them all.

And the vegas shooter?

Apparently the truth about the shooter is a bit elusive.
I know that he used to be an IRS officer.
I also know that people are dying around this attack in really coincidental ways.
I saw a story online about one witness who survived the attack openly said was being chased by "TWO ATTACKERS" ended up dying.
Survivors are getting death threats. Las Vegas shooting victim slammed with death threats
I can't vouch for anything the corrupt media reports on this. I believe there is a bunch of misinformation being put out there to discredit anyone who questions the government's version of this case.

However, the target is the same.
Conservatives.
Tells me pretty much everything I need to know.

Links
Las Vegas shooting survivors dead in car crash

NYC man threatens 'Las Vegas repeat' after app closes his account

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Shooter Devin Kelley was court martialed and DD'ed in 2014 by the USAF. Although once a Bible school teacher, he became an ardent atheist, joining the group Atheist Republic and an endorser of CNN as his facebook clearly claims:

https://i.redd.it/iwy97epzq8wz.jpg

Devin Kelley: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know


It appears that he converted to an atheist anti-fa agent and decided to murder as many white conservatives as he possibly could.

This has been debunked

What's been debunked you dumb ******* libbie? Those were the original links within the first 5 minutes of Devin Kelley's name being released to the public. That's why you ******* libbies shut down the original links to his Linked In and his Facebook, so yo can claim whatever the **** you want.

You were too late with the censoring.

I won the race.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

whether or not the man was an atheist is irrelevant

No, it's not. We want to understand the commonalities between mass murderers, what is motivating them, thus recording their ideological profiles is the best move we can make.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Bull shit. It's been proven that right wing fanatics are posting this propaganda as fact when it's a total fabrication. This terrorist was a neo nazi gun nut who was drummed out of the military. How utterly pathetic do you have to be to have to make up that kind of crap to win political points???

You can still visit Devin Kelley's very own Linked In page:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/devin-kelley-bb2923b9


Look at the causes he supports.

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Here's a link to his Linked In profile before it was deleted by authorities:
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[Aletheia4u]

I had figured him out to be just another Hillary's supporter. By the look in his eyes. They all has that glaze pedophile's stared.

 

[Aletheia4u]

Texas church shooter escaped mental health facility after attacking wife, stepson

 

[Syriusly]

Atheism is just another word for "hateful ideology".

Lack of religious ideology is "hateful ideology"? I would not like to know your definition of logic.

No, ATHEISM is a hateful ideology.

Because not believing in a fairy in the sky is termed 'hateful' buy the Christo Fascists.

 

[Syriusly]

Kelly was a white homegrown terrorist who beat his wife and cracked his baby stepson's skull - and even after being dishonorably discharged from the military for committing these acts - he was still somehow legally allowed to buy assault weapons. The NICS system seems to be nothing but garbage in and garbage out.

Air Force Failed To Enter Church Shooter’s Domestic Violence Record In U.S. Database

Devin Patrick Kelley was convicted of domestic assault, which should have kept him from buying a gun.

The Air Force failed to record the Texas church shooter’s domestic violence conviction in a federal database that would have kept him from buying a gun, according a source who spoke to NPR and a purported leaked draft statement from the Air Force obtained by HuffPost.

Devin Patrick Kelley, who served at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, was convicted by a general court martial on two charges of domestic assault against his wife and stepson before being released with a bad conduct discharge in 2014.

Under federal law, his conviction prohibited him from buying or possessing firearms. But it appears Kelley’s domestic violence offense was never entered into the National Criminal Information Center database by the Holloman’s Office of Special Investigation, allowing him to pass a background check and legally purchase a firearm.

AIR FORCE NEVER ENTERED SHOOTER IN CRIME DATABASE

The Air Force appears to be legally liable for failure to enter this information into the NCIS federal criminal background system - which would have prevented Kelley from being able to legally buy guns.

Not to mention that fact that no God Damned law would have prevented this because government failed once again.

Wasn't a failure of the law- it was a human error in failing to follow the law.

 

[Syriusly]

whether or not the man was an atheist is irrelevant

No, it's not. We want to understand the commonalities between mass murderers, what is motivating them, thus recording their ideological profiles is the best move we can make.

Well the last two mass shooters were both white men raised as Christians, who liked guns.

Commonalities.

 

[mudwhistle]

Kelly was a white homegrown terrorist who beat his wife and cracked his baby stepson's skull - and even after being dishonorably discharged from the military for committing these acts - he was still somehow legally allowed to buy assault weapons. The NICS system seems to be nothing but garbage in and garbage out.

Air Force Failed To Enter Church Shooter’s Domestic Violence Record In U.S. Database

Devin Patrick Kelley was convicted of domestic assault, which should have kept him from buying a gun.

The Air Force failed to record the Texas church shooter’s domestic violence conviction in a federal database that would have kept him from buying a gun, according a source who spoke to NPR and a purported leaked draft statement from the Air Force obtained by HuffPost.

Devin Patrick Kelley, who served at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, was convicted by a general court martial on two charges of domestic assault against his wife and stepson before being released with a bad conduct discharge in 2014.

Under federal law, his conviction prohibited him from buying or possessing firearms. But it appears Kelley’s domestic violence offense was never entered into the National Criminal Information Center database by the Holloman’s Office of Special Investigation, allowing him to pass a background check and legally purchase a firearm.

AIR FORCE NEVER ENTERED SHOOTER IN CRIME DATABASE

The Air Force appears to be legally liable for failure to enter this information into the NCIS federal criminal background system - which would have prevented Kelley from being able to legally buy guns.

Not to mention that fact that no God Damned law would have prevented this because government failed once again.

Wasn't a failure of the law- it was a human error in failing to follow the law.

So your point is what?

Not following laws is the primary weakness in your argument.

 

[xyz]

Atheism is just another word for "hateful ideology".

Lack of religious ideology is "hateful ideology"? I would not like to know your definition of logic.

No, ATHEISM is a hateful ideology.

What about the Spanish Inquisition and Salem Witch Trials?

I'm not an atheist though, nor do I think it's an ideology.

"Ideology" implies some kind of code for how to behave. Atheists may or may not have this based on their personal beliefs, just they don't link it to metaphysics.

 

[waltky]

Once again, the FBI needs to be able to gain access to smartphones...

FBI Yet to Access Texas Shooter's Phone
November 09, 2017 - The FBI has yet to gain access to data on Devin Kelley's phone four days after the former airman killed 26 churchgoers in Texas in the deadliest mass shooting in the state's history, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said Thursday, blaming "warrant-proof encryption" for impeding criminal investigations.

The FBI's San Antonio office sent Kelley's encrypted phone to the bureau's crime lab in Quantico, Virginia, earlier this week after agents were unable to unlock it, Christopher Combs, the special agent in charge of the FBI's office in San Antonio, Texas, said Tuesday. But Rosenstein, speaking at the BWI Business partnership organization in Maryland, said the FBI has been unable to access "the data inside because of encryption." "Nobody has a legitimate privacy interest in that phone," Rosenstein said. "The suspect is deceased. Even if he were alive, it would be legal for police and prosecutors to find out what is in the phone."

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An FBI agent investigates the site of the shooting at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas​

The FBI declined to say whether the bureau had been able to unlock the phone but unable to access its encrypted data. Kelley killed 26 people and injured 20 others at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Sunday before turning the gun on himself. The FBI has not identified the make or model of Kelley's phone, but the Associated Press reported on Wednesday that it was an Apple iPhone. Apple said on Wednesday that it "immediately" reached out to the FBI after "learning that investigators were trying to access a mobile phone." "We offered assistance and said we'd expedite our response to any legal process they send us," Apple said in a statement.

Legal battle

Rosenstein said "strong encryption is good," but he criticized technology companies for building devices and applications that make it difficult for law enforcement authorities even with a warrant to access encrypted data. A 2016 legal dispute between the FBI and Apple over the bureau's effort to gain access to the phone of San Bernardino mass shooter Syed Rizwan Farok fueled a national debate over privacy and public safety. The FBI obtained a warrant to unlock the phone, but the data was encrypted and Apple refused to help the bureau gain access to the data. The showdown ended after the FBI was able to open the device with the use of an unnamed third party.

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Lorenzo Flores, left, and Terrie Smith react at a line of crosses in remembrance of those killed in the shooting at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas[/CENTER]

FBI officials have long expressed frustration over increasingly sophisticated encryption technology that makes it harder for law enforcement to access devices and data. In the first 11 months of the 2017 fiscal year, the FBI was unable to access the content of nearly 7,000 smartphones, more than half the total number of devices the bureau tried to access, FBI Director Christopher Wray said last week. "And that's a huge, huge problem," Wray said. "It impacts investigations across the board — narcotics, human trafficking, counterterrorism, counterintelligence, gangs, organized crime and child exploitation."

[URL='https://www.voanews.com/a/fbi-yet-to-access-texas-shooters-smartphone/4108701.html']FBI Yet to Access Texas Shooter's Phone[/URL][/quote]

See also:

[b]FBI Again Finds Itself Unable to Unlock a Gunman's Cellphone[/b]
[i]November 08, 2017 | WASHINGTON — The Texas church massacre is providing a familiar frustration for law enforcement: FBI agents are unable to unlock the gunman's encrypted cellphone to learn what evidence it might hold.[/i]
[quote]
But while heart-wrenching details of the rampage that left more than two dozen people dead might revive the debate over the balance of digital privacy rights and national security, it's not likely to prompt change anytime soon. Congress has not shown a strong appetite for legislation that would force technology companies to help the government break into encrypted phones and computers. And the fiery public debate surrounding the FBI's legal fight with Apple Inc. has largely faded since federal authorities announced they were able to access a locked phone in a terror case without the help of the technology giant. As a candidate, Donald Trump called on Americans to boycott Apple unless it helped the FBI hack into the phone, but he hasn't been as vocal as president.

Still, the issue re-emerged Tuesday, when Christopher Combs, the special agent in charge of the FBI's San Antonio division, said agents had been unable to get into the cellphone belonging to Devin Patrick Kelley, who slaughtered much of the congregation in the middle of a Sunday service. “It highlights an issue you've all heard about before. With the advance of the technology and the phones and the encryption, law enforcement is increasingly not able to get into these phones,” Combs told reporters, saying the device was being flown to an FBI lab for analysis. Combs didn't identify the make or model, but a U.S. official briefed by law enforcement told The Associated Press it was an Apple iPhone. “We're working very hard to get into that phone, and that will continue until we find an answer,” Combs said.

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An iPhone is seen in an illustration photo taken Feb. 17, 2016, in Washington, D.C. In the case of the December 2015 San Bernardino shooting, the FBI was able to decrypt the suspect's phone on its own but has been unable to do so with a device that was owned by the Texas church shooter.​

Combs was telegraphing a longstanding frustration of the FBI, which claims encryption has stymied investigations of everything from sex crimes against children to drug cases, even if they obtain a warrant for the information. Agents have been unable to retrieve data from half the mobile devices - more than 6,900 phones, computers and tablets - that they tried to access in less than a year, FBI Director Christopher Wray said last month, wading into an issue that also vexed his predecessor, James Comey. Comey spoke before Congress and elsewhere about the bureau's inability to access digital devices. But the Obama White House never publicly supported legislation that would have forced technology companies to give the FBI a back door to encrypted information, leaving Comey's hands tied to propose a specific legislative fix.

Bad idea, some believe

Security experts generally believe such encryption backdoors are a terrible idea that could expose a vast amount of private, business and government data to hackers and spies. That's because those backdoor keys would work for bad guys as well as good guys - and the bad guys would almost immediately target them for theft, and might even be able to recreate them from scratch. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein took aim at Silicon Valley's methods for protecting privacy during a speech last month, saying Trump's Justice Department would be more aggressive in seeking information from technology companies. He took a harder line than his predecessors but stopped short of saying what specific steps the administration might take. Washington has proven incapable of solving a problem that an honest conversation could fix, said David Hickton, a former U.S. attorney who now directs a cyber law institute at the University of Pittsburgh.

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[SavannahMann]

Once again, the FBI needs to be able to gain access to smartphones...

FBI Yet to Access Texas Shooter's Phone
November 09, 2017 - The FBI has yet to gain access to data on Devin Kelley's phone four days after the former airman killed 26 churchgoers in Texas in the deadliest mass shooting in the state's history, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said Thursday, blaming "warrant-proof encryption" for impeding criminal investigations.

The FBI's San Antonio office sent Kelley's encrypted phone to the bureau's crime lab in Quantico, Virginia, earlier this week after agents were unable to unlock it, Christopher Combs, the special agent in charge of the FBI's office in San Antonio, Texas, said Tuesday. But Rosenstein, speaking at the BWI Business partnership organization in Maryland, said the FBI has been unable to access "the data inside because of encryption." "Nobody has a legitimate privacy interest in that phone," Rosenstein said. "The suspect is deceased. Even if he were alive, it would be legal for police and prosecutors to find out what is in the phone."

https://gdb.voanews.com/8EDB5BAF-E332-4D79-8AAC-17E08B5FC03A_w1023_r1_s.jpg[/img]
An FBI agent investigates the site of the shooting at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas​

The FBI declined to say whether the bureau had been able to unlock the phone but unable to access its encrypted data. Kelley killed 26 people and injured 20 others at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Sunday before turning the gun on himself. The FBI has not identified the make or model of Kelley's phone, but the Associated Press reported on Wednesday that it was an Apple iPhone. Apple said on Wednesday that it "immediately" reached out to the FBI after "learning that investigators were trying to access a mobile phone." "We offered assistance and said we'd expedite our response to any legal process they send us," Apple said in a statement.

Legal battle

Rosenstein said "strong encryption is good," but he criticized technology companies for building devices and applications that make it difficult for law enforcement authorities even with a warrant to access encrypted data. A 2016 legal dispute between the FBI and Apple over the bureau's effort to gain access to the phone of San Bernardino mass shooter Syed Rizwan Farok fueled a national debate over privacy and public safety. The FBI obtained a warrant to unlock the phone, but the data was encrypted and Apple refused to help the bureau gain access to the data. The showdown ended after the FBI was able to open the device with the use of an unnamed third party.

https://gdb.voanews.com/7A981397-CC05-4677-A6ED-B5A43973C7DC_cx5_cy10_cw90_w650_r1_s.jpg
Lorenzo Flores, left, and Terrie Smith react at a line of crosses in remembrance of those killed in the shooting at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas[/CENTER]

FBI officials have long expressed frustration over increasingly sophisticated encryption technology that makes it harder for law enforcement to access devices and data. In the first 11 months of the 2017 fiscal year, the FBI was unable to access the content of nearly 7,000 smartphones, more than half the total number of devices the bureau tried to access, FBI Director Christopher Wray said last week. "And that's a huge, huge problem," Wray said. "It impacts investigations across the board — narcotics, human trafficking, counterterrorism, counterintelligence, gangs, organized crime and child exploitation."

[URL='https://www.voanews.com/a/fbi-yet-to-access-texas-shooters-smartphone/4108701.html']FBI Yet to Access Texas Shooter's Phone[/URL][/quote]

See also:

[b]FBI Again Finds Itself Unable to Unlock a Gunman's Cellphone[/b]
[i]November 08, 2017 | WASHINGTON — The Texas church massacre is providing a familiar frustration for law enforcement: FBI agents are unable to unlock the gunman's encrypted cellphone to learn what evidence it might hold.[/i]
[quote]
But while heart-wrenching details of the rampage that left more than two dozen people dead might revive the debate over the balance of digital privacy rights and national security, it's not likely to prompt change anytime soon. Congress has not shown a strong appetite for legislation that would force technology companies to help the government break into encrypted phones and computers. And the fiery public debate surrounding the FBI's legal fight with Apple Inc. has largely faded since federal authorities announced they were able to access a locked phone in a terror case without the help of the technology giant. As a candidate, Donald Trump called on Americans to boycott Apple unless it helped the FBI hack into the phone, but he hasn't been as vocal as president.

Still, the issue re-emerged Tuesday, when Christopher Combs, the special agent in charge of the FBI's San Antonio division, said agents had been unable to get into the cellphone belonging to Devin Patrick Kelley, who slaughtered much of the congregation in the middle of a Sunday service. “It highlights an issue you've all heard about before. With the advance of the technology and the phones and the encryption, law enforcement is increasingly not able to get into these phones,” Combs told reporters, saying the device was being flown to an FBI lab for analysis. Combs didn't identify the make or model, but a U.S. official briefed by law enforcement told The Associated Press it was an Apple iPhone. “We're working very hard to get into that phone, and that will continue until we find an answer,” Combs said.

[center][img]https://gdb.voanews.com/1C28600E-36F7-4450-8E40-B1AAB632CDCA_w650_r0_s.jpg
An iPhone is seen in an illustration photo taken Feb. 17, 2016, in Washington, D.C. In the case of the December 2015 San Bernardino shooting, the FBI was able to decrypt the suspect's phone on its own but has been unable to do so with a device that was owned by the Texas church shooter.​

Combs was telegraphing a longstanding frustration of the FBI, which claims encryption has stymied investigations of everything from sex crimes against children to drug cases, even if they obtain a warrant for the information. Agents have been unable to retrieve data from half the mobile devices - more than 6,900 phones, computers and tablets - that they tried to access in less than a year, FBI Director Christopher Wray said last month, wading into an issue that also vexed his predecessor, James Comey. Comey spoke before Congress and elsewhere about the bureau's inability to access digital devices. But the Obama White House never publicly supported legislation that would have forced technology companies to give the FBI a back door to encrypted information, leaving Comey's hands tied to propose a specific legislative fix.

Bad idea, some believe

Security experts generally believe such encryption backdoors are a terrible idea that could expose a vast amount of private, business and government data to hackers and spies. That's because those backdoor keys would work for bad guys as well as good guys - and the bad guys would almost immediately target them for theft, and might even be able to recreate them from scratch. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein took aim at Silicon Valley's methods for protecting privacy during a speech last month, saying Trump's Justice Department would be more aggressive in seeking information from technology companies. He took a harder line than his predecessors but stopped short of saying what specific steps the administration might take. Washington has proven incapable of solving a problem that an honest conversation could fix, said David Hickton, a former U.S. attorney who now directs a cyber law institute at the University of Pittsburgh.

MORE

Perhaps the FBI could ask the Russians since they are supposed to be able to hack anything.