Shocking statistics from the CATO Institute

[MaggieMae]

Immigrants Make More Jobs Than They Take
By Suzanne Smalley | NEWSWEEK

Published Aug 15, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Aug 31, 2009

Lou Dobbs, take note: immigrants are good for our economy.

The most skilled create jobs in technology and engineering, says Duke professor Vivek Wadhwa, who estimates that in 2005 immigrant-founded engineering and tech companies employed 450,000 people and generated $52 billion in sales.

But even the least skilled more than repay their costs in schools and health care. Two highly respected Australian economists, Maureen Rimmer and Peter Dixon, studied the issue for the libertarian Cato Institute.

"The net impact on U.S. households from tighter border enforcement is unambiguously negative," they found, because even low-skilled immigrants expand the economic pie and create jobs farther up the ladder. Cato's Dan Griswold says the study shows a $250 billion difference between the most and least restrictive immigration policies.

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Immigrants Create More Jobs Than They Take | Newsweek The Smart List | Newsweek.com

 

[xsited1]

And even more SHOCKING statistics from Cato:

Bipartisan Visa Program Could Fix Nation's Illegal Immigration Mess | Daniel Griswold | Cato Institute: Commentary

Of course, it should come as no surprise that a libertarian-leaning organization like Cato would publish such statistics.

 

[MaggieMae]

And even more SHOCKING statistics from Cato:

Bipartisan Visa Program Could Fix Nation's Illegal Immigration Mess | Daniel Griswold | Cato Institute: Commentary

Of course, it should come as no surprise that a libertarian-leaning organization like Cato would publish such statistics.

CATO is a highly respected think tank, its studies used extensively by both the right and the left. Ironically, when their reports are favorable to the right, CATO is touted as a wonderful truthteller.

Cato Institute
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Cato Institute is a pro-free market, libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C.

The Institute's stated mission is "to broaden the parameters of public policy debate to allow consideration of the traditional American principles of limited government, individual liberty, free markets, and peace" by striving "to achieve greater involvement of the intelligent, lay public in questions of (public) policy and the proper role of government." Cato scholars conduct policy research on a broad range of public policy issues, and produce books, studies, op-eds, and blog posts. They are also frequent guests in the media.

The Cato Institute is non-partisan, and its scholars' views are not consistently aligned with either major political party. For example, Cato scholars were sharply critical of the second Bush administration (2001 - 2009) on a wide variety of issues, including the Iraq war, civil liberties, education, health care, agriculture, energy policy, and excessive government spending. However, on other issues, most notably Social Security,[1][2] global warming,[3][4] tax policy,[5] and immigration,[6][7][8][9][10] Cato scholars had praised Bush administration initiatives. During the 2008 U.S. presidential election, Cato scholars criticized both major-party candidates, John McCain[11][12] and Barack Obama.[13][14]

 

[Oddball]

And even more SHOCKING statistics from Cato:

Bipartisan Visa Program Could Fix Nation's Illegal Immigration Mess | Daniel Griswold | Cato Institute: Commentary

Of course, it should come as no surprise that a libertarian-leaning organization like Cato would publish such statistics.

True....Not shocking at all.

Still, the best immigration control I can think of would be the abolition of the socialistic welfare giveaway state. Then, all who came to America, legally or not, would at least have to pull the full financial weight for any services rendered.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I want to know who ever said legal immigration was not good for our country.

Our immigration policy should be akin to a job interview. We should only allow into the country those who have a much needed and desired skill. And we should be extremely discriminating.

Seriously do we want tens of thousands of immigrants entering the country who after 20 years will still refuse to learn English?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

The idiotic strawman false belief that anyone is against immigration rears it's ugly, racist head again. NO ONE is against immigration. EVERYONE should be however, against ILLEGAL immigration.

 

[Oddball]

Seriously do we want tens of thousands of immigrants entering the country who after 20 years will still refuse to learn English?

Nothing new there, either.

It's extremely rare for 1st generation immigrants to learn the language, no matter where you are.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Seriously do we want tens of thousands of immigrants entering the country who after 20 years will still refuse to learn English?

Nothing new there, either.

It's extremely rare for 1st generation immigrants to learn the language, no matter where you are.

Exactly my point. We should be more discriminating in our process.

"Are you able, to speak and write English?" Should be the first question on the list.

If the answer to that question is "No" , then you don't get a green card. Period.

 

[Oddball]

Seriously do we want tens of thousands of immigrants entering the country who after 20 years will still refuse to learn English?

Nothing new there, either.

It's extremely rare for 1st generation immigrants to learn the language, no matter where you are.

Exactly my point. We should be more discriminating in our process.

"Are you able, to speak and write English?" Should be the first question on the list.

If the answer to that question is "No" , then you don't get a green card. Period.

Why should the immigrants in the here and now be any different from any of the other immigrants that gave us places like little Italy, Ybor City and the Chinatowns.

While there is indeed a lot of things for which to legitimately gig on immigrants (especially the illegals), the language thing is soooooo petty.

 

[MaggieMae]

Seriously do we want tens of thousands of immigrants entering the country who after 20 years will still refuse to learn English?

Nothing new there, either.

It's extremely rare for 1st generation immigrants to learn the language, no matter where you are.

Exactly my point. We should be more discriminating in our process.

"Are you able, to speak and write English?" Should be the first question on the list.

If the answer to that question is "No" , then you don't get a green card. Period.

And yet your first knee-jerk reaction was this: I want to know who ever said legal immigration was not good for our country.

Many, many legal immigrants cannot speak (and especially write) English when they first arrive unless they are from English-speaking nations. English is the most difficult language in the entire world to learn.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Nothing new there, either.

It's extremely rare for 1st generation immigrants to learn the language, no matter where you are.

Exactly my point. We should be more discriminating in our process.

"Are you able, to speak and write English?" Should be the first question on the list.

If the answer to that question is "No" , then you don't get a green card. Period.

Why should the immigrants in the here and now be any different from any of the other immigrants that gave us places like little Italy, Ybor City and the Chinatowns.

While there is indeed a lot of things for which to legitimately gig on immigrants (especially the illegals), the language thing is soooooo petty.

Hey when we needed to expand our population faster than the birth rate, it made sense to take all comers and to not be so picky.

But times have changed. We should expect legal immigrants to be able to fully participate and contribute to society from day one.

If immigrants do not know the language of the land, they do not add to our resources but rather drain them.

 

[MaggieMae]

The idiotic strawman false belief that anyone is against immigration rears it's ugly, racist head again. NO ONE is against immigration. EVERYONE should be however, against ILLEGAL immigration.

Actually, I didn't post that for any "strawman" (your favorite word) purpose. I posted it because it seems all we ever read about is what a drain on our economy immigration from Mexico (legal or otherwise) has been. I just thought it was interesting to see some facts that show that they too contribute to the economy.

I can't remember which thread I posted it in, but just yesterday or the day before I commented strongly about cracking down on the obvious illegal activity that goes on in broad daylight, such as the spots in locales where illegals gather for day labor, among other points. So I'm not by a long shot in favor of no-strings-attached amnesty. And I hate it just as much as the next guy when I get some person I can't communicate with on the telephone.

So there...

 

[Skull Pilot]

Nothing new there, either.

It's extremely rare for 1st generation immigrants to learn the language, no matter where you are.

Exactly my point. We should be more discriminating in our process.

"Are you able, to speak and write English?" Should be the first question on the list.

If the answer to that question is "No" , then you don't get a green card. Period.

And yet your first knee-jerk reaction was this: I want to know who ever said legal immigration was not good for our country.

Many, many legal immigrants cannot speak (and especially write) English when they first arrive unless they are from English-speaking nations. English is the most difficult language in the entire world to learn.

So?

Our immigration policy should be geared for one thing and one thing only and that is benefiting the socioeconomic well being of the country.

If our economy does not have a need for a potential immigrant's skill, he or she should be denied entry.

If a potential immigrant cannot speak read and write English, rather than contributing to our resource pool, they diminish it as we foot the costs for them because they cannot or will not learn the language.

 

[Toro]

Nothing new there, either.

It's extremely rare for 1st generation immigrants to learn the language, no matter where you are.

Exactly my point. We should be more discriminating in our process.

"Are you able, to speak and write English?" Should be the first question on the list.

If the answer to that question is "No" , then you don't get a green card. Period.

Why should the immigrants in the here and now be any different from any of the other immigrants that gave us places like little Italy, Ybor City and the Chinatowns.

While there is indeed a lot of things for which to legitimately gig on immigrants (especially the illegals), the language thing is soooooo petty.

Every Canadian should be born with a Green Card ...

The general pattern for immigrants is that the first generation generally stay loyal to their home country's ways and culture. The second generation are basically American with a strong attachment to their country of origin. By the third generation, they are fully American with their heritage being not much more than an interesting bit of knowledge.

Mexico is different because we share a border with Mexico. Generally, when immigrants come to America, there is a large physical barrier to coming here. Not with Mexico. And with so many Mexicans, it is easy to become part of the community.

It is understandable that first generation immigrants don't speak English. However, it is beyond comprehension why second generation immigrants would not. English is effectively the global language today, primarily because of the United States. People all around the world take English as their primary second language to attain a better life. (In Switzerland, where there are four official languages but two primary ones - German and French - German-speaking school children are now learning English first before they learn French.) It is utterly mind-boggling that people born in the United States would not know English. Their parents are doing an enormous disservice to their children by not having them taught English.

 

[MaggieMae]

Exactly my point. We should be more discriminating in our process.

"Are you able, to speak and write English?" Should be the first question on the list.

If the answer to that question is "No" , then you don't get a green card. Period.

And yet your first knee-jerk reaction was this: I want to know who ever said legal immigration was not good for our country.

Many, many legal immigrants cannot speak (and especially write) English when they first arrive unless they are from English-speaking nations. English is the most difficult language in the entire world to learn.

So?

Our immigration policy should be geared for one thing and one thing only and that is benefiting the socioeconomic well being of the country.

If our economy does not have a need for a potential immigrant's skill, he or she should be denied entry.

If a potential immigrant cannot speak read and write English, rather than contributing to our resource pool, they diminish it as we foot the costs for them because they cannot or will not learn the language.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Let's elect you the next POTUS and see how long you last.

 

[del]

And yet your first knee-jerk reaction was this: I want to know who ever said legal immigration was not good for our country.

Many, many legal immigrants cannot speak (and especially write) English when they first arrive unless they are from English-speaking nations. English is the most difficult language in the entire world to learn.

So?

Our immigration policy should be geared for one thing and one thing only and that is benefiting the socioeconomic well being of the country.

If our economy does not have a need for a potential immigrant's skill, he or she should be denied entry.

If a potential immigrant cannot speak read and write English, rather than contributing to our resource pool, they diminish it as we foot the costs for them because they cannot or will not learn the language.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Let's elect you the next POTUS and see how long you last.

tremendous insight, mags, may we quote you?

 

[MaggieMae]

Exactly my point. We should be more discriminating in our process.

"Are you able, to speak and write English?" Should be the first question on the list.

If the answer to that question is "No" , then you don't get a green card. Period.

Why should the immigrants in the here and now be any different from any of the other immigrants that gave us places like little Italy, Ybor City and the Chinatowns.

While there is indeed a lot of things for which to legitimately gig on immigrants (especially the illegals), the language thing is soooooo petty.

Every Canadian should be born with a Green Card ...

The general pattern for immigrants is that the first generation generally stay loyal to their home country's ways and culture. The second generation are basically American with a strong attachment to their country of origin. By the third generation, they are fully American with their heritage being not much more than an interesting bit of knowledge.

Mexico is different because we share a border with Mexico. Generally, when immigrants come to America, there is a large physical barrier to coming here. Not with Mexico. And with so many Mexicans, it is easy to become part of the community.

It is understandable that first generation immigrants don't speak English. However, it is beyond comprehension why second generation immigrants would not. English is effectively the global language today, primarily because of the United States. People all around the world take English as their primary second language to attain a better life. (In Switzerland, where there are four official languages but two primary ones - German and French - German-speaking school children are now learning English first before they learn French.) It is utterly mind-boggling that people born in the United States would not know English. Their parents are doing an enormous disservice to their children by not having them taught English.

I think that before there became such a huge migration from Mexico, they probably DID try to assimilate better into American society. But now Mexicans will congregate more among their own, knowing they are disliked in general. Wouldn't you? And when there is more conversation in Spanish because of that, they will continue to speak their language first. It's the same with Puerto Rican's, who are actually Americans. They prefer mixing with their own kind. It isn't beyond comprehension. It's quite simple.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Nothing new there, either.

It's extremely rare for 1st generation immigrants to learn the language, no matter where you are.

Exactly my point. We should be more discriminating in our process.

"Are you able, to speak and write English?" Should be the first question on the list.

If the answer to that question is "No" , then you don't get a green card. Period.

And yet your first knee-jerk reaction was this: I want to know who ever said legal immigration was not good for our country.

Many, many legal immigrants cannot speak (and especially write) English when they first arrive unless they are from English-speaking nations. English is the most difficult language in the entire world to learn.

Yet you seem to have mastered it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Why should the immigrants in the here and now be any different from any of the other immigrants that gave us places like little Italy, Ybor City and the Chinatowns.

While there is indeed a lot of things for which to legitimately gig on immigrants (especially the illegals), the language thing is soooooo petty.

Every Canadian should be born with a Green Card ...

The general pattern for immigrants is that the first generation generally stay loyal to their home country's ways and culture. The second generation are basically American with a strong attachment to their country of origin. By the third generation, they are fully American with their heritage being not much more than an interesting bit of knowledge.

Mexico is different because we share a border with Mexico. Generally, when immigrants come to America, there is a large physical barrier to coming here. Not with Mexico. And with so many Mexicans, it is easy to become part of the community.

It is understandable that first generation immigrants don't speak English. However, it is beyond comprehension why second generation immigrants would not. English is effectively the global language today, primarily because of the United States. People all around the world take English as their primary second language to attain a better life. (In Switzerland, where there are four official languages but two primary ones - German and French - German-speaking school children are now learning English first before they learn French.) It is utterly mind-boggling that people born in the United States would not know English. Their parents are doing an enormous disservice to their children by not having them taught English.

I think that before there became such a huge migration from Mexico, they probably DID try to assimilate better into American society. But now Mexicans will congregate more among their own, knowing they are disliked in general. Wouldn't you? And when there is more conversation in Spanish because of that, they will continue to speak their language first. It's the same with Puerto Rican's, who are actually Americans. They prefer mixing with their own kind. It isn't beyond comprehension. It's quite simple.

Those two particular groups you mentioned along with many, or it seems most others, want to come to this country not to be Americans as many of our ancestors did but rather they come here wanting to be a Mexican, African, Asian, Iranian etc etc etc in America.

We have entire sections of this country that now are more like third world shit holes where no English is spoken than ever before. These people have no desire to become Americans. They want to make America like the shit hole they left.

My great grandfather came through Ellis Island from Italy. The second he became a citizen, he proudly said he was an American. Not an Italian American.

Why is it that Canadians don't qualify their citizenship? I met a black guy from Ontario and he doesn't identify himself as an African Canadian.

We are watering down our culture in the name of diversity and it will end with the US becoming just another third world rat hole but worse because we will have no common language. Our government will have to print everything in 25 different languages and hire thousands of interpreters just to conduct its everyday business.

 

[Contumacious]

Immigrants Make More Jobs Than They Take
By Suzanne Smalley | NEWSWEEK

Those findings were first disclosed by Prof Julian L Simon at the University of Maryland .