SHOCK POLL: Romney 48% Obama 43%...

[GoneBezerk]

Santorum winning a few states because of church people doesn't mean squat. Romney wins the majority of Average Republican voters.

If the church people don't support Romney over his Mormon faith, then they are dumber than shit and this is coming from a right-wing Protestant.

The Newt is stealing enough votes from Santorum in the south that they're both spinning their wheels.

This is why romney is the only option, he will crush obamination.

Romney is having a hard time with Rick Santorum....

A guy who was barely polling at single digits a three months ago.

 

[JoeB131]

It's far too early to be worrying about what the GE polls say.

Not really. They show a pattern. This is the RCP average of polls from 2008.

It shows Obama was pretty consistantly ahead of McCain. McCain got a few bumps like around the GOP convention, but for the most part, Obama dominated him.

Here's the graph from Obama vs. Romney. Romney has been behind Obama fairly consistantly.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama

Obama's been beating Romney like a runaway sister wife.

 

[JoeB131]

guy, you POST AFTER what you are responding to, not before. Otherwise people can't follow the argument...

Santorum hasn't won "a few states". He's won 8 to Romney's 14. And, yes, the fact that Church people aren't supporting him means an awful lot. It means they probably aren't going to show up in November, or they might go to a third party.

More to the point, though, if Romney is having this much of a hard time with two guys who were run out of congress running shoestring campaigns, what the hell is he going to do against an incumbant president, a huge, well oiled campaign machine and a national media that's going to be totally in the tank for him?

Santorum winning a few states because of church people doesn't mean squat. Romney wins the majority of Average Republican voters.

If the church people don't support Romney over his Mormon faith, then they are dumber than shit and this is coming from a right-wing Protestant.

The Newt is stealing enough votes from Santorum in the south that they're both spinning their wheels.

This is why romney is the only option, he will crush obamination.

Romney is having a hard time with Rick Santorum....

A guy who was barely polling at single digits a three months ago.

 

[GoneBezerk]

In the end, Romney is going to win and you people that hate him with either vote for him or vote for the idiot in the White House.

That is the FACTS. Either remove Obamination from office or not, Romney is the lone Republican that can lure moderates and pissed off Democrats in the national election, the rest are a joke compared to Romney.

I am done explaining this to you, factory worker.

guy, you POST AFTER what you are responding to, not before. Otherwise people can't follow the argument...

Santorum hasn't won "a few states". He's won 8 to Romney's 14. And, yes, the fact that Church people aren't supporting him means an awful lot. It means they probably aren't going to show up in November, or they might go to a third party.

More to the point, though, if Romney is having this much of a hard time with two guys who were run out of congress running shoestring campaigns, what the hell is he going to do against an incumbant president, a huge, well oiled campaign machine and a national media that's going to be totally in the tank for him?

Santorum winning a few states because of church people doesn't mean squat. Romney wins the majority of Average Republican voters.

If the church people don't support Romney over his Mormon faith, then they are dumber than shit and this is coming from a right-wing Protestant.

The Newt is stealing enough votes from Santorum in the south that they're both spinning their wheels.

Romney is having a hard time with Rick Santorum....

A guy who was barely polling at single digits a three months ago.

 

[JoeB131]

In the end, Romney is going to win and you people that hate him with either vote for him or vote for the idiot in the White House.

That is the FACTS. Either remove Obamination from office or not, Romney is the lone Republican that can lure moderates and pissed off Democrats in the national election, the rest are a joke compared to Romney.

I am done explaining this to you, factory worker.

OH, I agree the rest of them are jokes. But Romney is a joke, too, man.

A huge joke. And stupid people like you were told he was "electable" even though he's never won an election against a real opponent and really, people just don't like him.

I'll vote for Santorum or Gingrich in November. I wont' vote for Romney. Neither will a lot of other people.

 

[Salt Jones]

O has a firm grasp on three states: CA, Il, and NY. It gets ugly after that. Plus, a bad economy, high ue, inflation, gas prices aren't doing him favors either.

I can't wait to see how Arizona goes.

It will come down to the Latinos vs the Mormons. Spanish language radio and Univision have been here for months registering Latino voters. At last report they had registered close to 200,000.

"Latinos make up about 30 percent of Arizona’s population though historically have low voter turnout. But the “sleeping giant,” galvanized by what it sees as racist legislation and state policy, recently flexed its muscle.

Hispanics were a key force behind two recent political coups—the recall-election defeat of immigration law sponsor and Tea Party Republican state Sen. Russell Pearce, and a Latino firefighter’s trouncing of an established Anglo politico for a Phoenix City Council seat.....Democrats understand that they need Latino voters to win the state. Arizona Latinos have been targeted in 186 phone banks, 327 voter registration events, and Latino-focused events.

Francisco Heredia, state director of Mi Familia Vota, said Latinos will turn out to vote despite any lingering “ill will” for the president because they also care about education and jobs."

Obama and the Dems

 

[LordBrownTrout]

O has a firm grasp on three states: CA, Il, and NY. It gets ugly after that. Plus, a bad economy, high ue, inflation, gas prices aren't doing him favors either.

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Battle for White House

I'm basing it on his above average, below average, average ratings per state. O is above average in the three I mentioned along with about 5 of the NE states. Your chart is actually more favorable towards R's then the one that I had seen. Out of the tossup list one your site, I only see O possibly winning two or three of those states: NM, CO?, and possibly Iowa but sentiment has turned against him there due to economic conditions.

 

[francoHFW]

Isn't that cute? The dupes/haters have their own ridiculous poll to go with their ridiculous Propaganda/BS Network....CHANGE THE CHANNEL MORONS...

Your "facts" are all BS- Obama and Chu never said those things, BS most recent...

 

[GoneBezerk]

Romney is the perfect nominee because he will dominate the western states less the coastal ones, he will steal some northeast states and he will win the south and middle america by just being the Republican nominee.

Obamination is going to get whipped despite getting votes from illegals, criminals and people voting numerous times. They will have msnbc, etc quickly run stories about racism at the voting booths once it's clear Romney is winning in the northeast.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Isn't that cute? The dupes/haters have their own ridiculous poll to go with their ridiculous Propaganda/BS Network....CHANGE THE CHANNEL MORONS...

Your "facts" are all BS- Obama and Chu never said those things, BS most recent...

Chu really said some of that stuff, franco.

Chu: Lowering Gas Prices Not DOE's Goal

 

[Listening]

Can't get to excited over any of this.

It is way to early.

Once Romney is nominated, we will see how things shake out.

 

[Listening]

Isn't that cute? The dupes/haters have their own ridiculous poll to go with their ridiculous Propaganda/BS Network....CHANGE THE CHANNEL MORONS...

Your "facts" are all BS- Obama and Chu never said those things, BS most recent...

Well, I took a poll and you are still an idiot.

 

[Ernie S.]

Rasmussen seems to have pretty damned good results with Presidential polling
Poll accuracy

The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national pre-
election polls (as reported on pollster.com).
1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
5. ARG (10/25-27)*
6. CNN (10/30-11/1)
6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
10. FOX (11/1-2)
11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
15. Marist College (11/3)
16. CBS (10/31-11/2)
17. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
19. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
20. Newsweek (10/22-23)

 

[JoeB131]

Romney is the perfect nominee because he will dominate the western states less the coastal ones, he will steal some northeast states and he will win the south and middle america by just being the Republican nominee.

Obamination is going to get whipped despite getting votes from illegals, criminals and people voting numerous times. They will have msnbc, etc quickly run stories about racism at the voting booths once it's clear Romney is winning in the northeast.

And this is why you are a dumbass.

The NOrtheast is not going to go for Romney.

The GOP already dominates the western states. Whoever the GOP nominee is, he'll win MT, ID, WY, UT, the Dakotas, NE, KS, OK. These are not states that are going to be in play. Arizona is probably safe for the GOP. It should be. They haven't lost it since I think FDR. If Romney has to commit resources to AZ because more Hispanics are voting than Mormons, he's in trouble.

The only western states that will be in play are CO, NV, and NM. All together, they equate to all of 20 Electoral votes.

Meanwhile, the fact Romney alienate Evangelicals puts VA, NC, MO and FL in play. Those states are worth 67 EV's.

But this race will be decided in the Midwest. The Rust belt. Where all those "factory workers" you denounce have lost jobs because assholes like Romney sent their jobs to China. OHio (20) Michigan (16) WI and MN (10 each) would be in play if the GOP had a candidate like Santorum who related to working folks.

 

[Toro]

Romney is the perfect nominee because he will dominate the western states less the coastal ones, he will steal some northeast states and he will win the south and middle america by just being the Republican nominee.

Obamination is going to get whipped despite getting votes from illegals, criminals and people voting numerous times. They will have msnbc, etc quickly run stories about racism at the voting booths once it's clear Romney is winning in the northeast.

And this is why you are a dumbass.

The NOrtheast is not going to go for Romney.

The GOP already dominates the western states. Whoever the GOP nominee is, he'll win MT, ID, WY, UT, the Dakotas, NE, KS, OK. These are not states that are going to be in play. Arizona is probably safe for the GOP. It should be. They haven't lost it since I think FDR. If Romney has to commit resources to AZ because more Hispanics are voting than Mormons, he's in trouble.

The only western states that will be in play are CO, NV, and NM. All together, they equate to all of 20 Electoral votes.

Meanwhile, the fact Romney alienate Evangelicals puts VA, NC, MO and FL in play. Those states are worth 67 EV's.

But this race will be decided in the Midwest. The Rust belt. Where all those "factory workers" you denounce have lost jobs because assholes like Romney sent their jobs to China. OHio (20) Michigan (16) WI and MN (10 each) would be in play if the GOP had a candidate like Santorum who related to working folks.

If Romney loses FL, it isn't because he's a Mormon who alienates evangelicals, dumbass.

 

[JoeB131]

If Romney loses FL, it isn't because he's a Mormon who alienates evangelicals, dumbass.

Given how close Florida has been in the last four elections (going for either party 2 times), even a drop-off of Evangelicals could make the difference.

Of course, Romney loses Florida, he's done, period. Even if he wins everything else Bush won in 2004, Flordia plus the Kerry States would put Obama just at 270.

But the thing is, because of those disaffected Evangelicals, VA, NC, MO, IA and OH are also in play. Which is another 57 Electoral Votes.

You are really putting a lot of faith that the Evangelicals Racism is greater than their Anti-Mormonism. I wouldn't put a dollar on that horse.

And as an Atheist, I have to kind of laugh at that. You Wall Street Bloodsuckers have done a very good job getting dumb-ass Evangelical Christians to vote against their own economic interests by playing on their religious biases for years. Now you are trying to pull a fast one by slipping in Romney because he'll speed up the looting. But then you get those evangelicals who might be too dumb to realize off-shoring isn't in their best interest, but know a "heretic' when they see one.

 

[francoHFW]

Isn't that cute? The dupes/haters have their own ridiculous poll to go with their ridiculous Propaganda/BS Network....CHANGE THE CHANNEL MORONS...

Your "facts" are all BS- Obama and Chu never said those things, BS most recent...

Chu really said some of that stuff, franco.

Chu: Lowering Gas Prices Not DOE's Goal

Of course he didn't- same with the "skyrocket" thing- Nobody's that stupid...LOL!



UPDATED: Politico Manufactures Attack On Steven Chu
March 01, 2012 5:55 pm ET by Jocelyn Fong

(UPDATE 3/2 5:18PM An Editor's Note now appended to the Politico story says it "mischaracterized the testimony of Energy Secreatry Steven Chu." The headline, lede, and body of the story have been corrected.)

A Politico story fueling misguided attacks on Energy Secretary Steven Chu is not borne out by what actually occurred. The article titled, "Chu: DOE working to wean U.S. off oil, not lower prices," claimed:

The Energy Department isn't working to lower gasoline prices directly, Secretary Steven Chu said Tuesday after a Republican lawmaker scolded him for his now-infamous 2008 comment that gas prices in the U.S. should be as high as in Europe.

But this report is based on an assumption made by Politico reporter Alex Guillen about how Rep. Alan Nunnelee (R-MS) was going to finish a question. If that wasn't bad enough, Politico doubled down with another article today about Newt Gingrich -- who cited Guillen's story -- calling for Chu to be fired for the remarks. (UPDATE 3/2 6:00PM Politico has also corrected this article.)

Here's what actually happened in the hearing (fuller video and transcript below):

REP. NUNNELEE: But is the overall goal to get our price--

CHU: No, the overall goal is to decrease our dependency on oil to -- to build and strengthen our economy and to decrease our dependency on oil.

But here's Politico's version of what happened:

"But is the overall goal to get our price" of gasoline down, asked Nunnelee.

"No, the overall goal is to decrease our dependency on oil, to build and strengthen our economy," Chu replied.

Guillen built his story on what he assumed Nunnelee was asking and gave no indication that the question was, in fact, ambiguous. There is good reason to believe that Chu thought Nunnelee was actually asking, "Is the overall goal to get our price up to European levels," since this was Nunnelee's previous question:

Media Matters (communists)

UPDATED: Politico Manufactures Attack On Steven Chu | Media ...
Mar 1, 2012 ... Fox Nation posted the headline: "Obama Energy Chief Bombshell ... the only
ones who noticed Energy Secretary Steven Chu didn't seem all ...

mediamatters.org/blog/201203010019 - Cached - Similar

 

[francoHFW]

Rasmussen seems to have pretty damned good results with Presidential polling
Poll accuracy

The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national pre-
election polls (as reported on pollster.com).
1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
5. ARG (10/25-27)*
6. CNN (10/30-11/1)
6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
10. FOX (11/1-2)
11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
15. Marist College (11/3)
16. CBS (10/31-11/2)
17. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
19. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
20. Newsweek (10/22-23)

They got one right- it's called the exception that proves the rule...also the one that was too late to impress the dupes...

Thanks for the tribute, intense LOL

 

[Toro]

If Romney loses FL, it isn't because he's a Mormon who alienates evangelicals, dumbass.

Given how close Florida has been in the last four elections (going for either party 2 times), even a drop-off of Evangelicals could make the difference.

Of course, Romney loses Florida, he's done, period. Even if he wins everything else Bush won in 2004, Flordia plus the Kerry States would put Obama just at 270.

But the thing is, because of those disaffected Evangelicals, VA, NC, MO, IA and OH are also in play. Which is another 57 Electoral Votes.

You are really putting a lot of faith that the Evangelicals Racism is greater than their Anti-Mormonism. I wouldn't put a dollar on that horse.

And as an Atheist, I have to kind of laugh at that. You Wall Street Bloodsuckers have done a very good job getting dumb-ass Evangelical Christians to vote against their own economic interests by playing on their religious biases for years. Now you are trying to pull a fast one by slipping in Romney because he'll speed up the looting. But then you get those evangelicals who might be too dumb to realize off-shoring isn't in their best interest, but know a "heretic' when they see one.

I have yet to meet a person who said they wouldn't vote for Romney here in FL because he was a Mormon. I have met lots of people who said they wouldn't vote for Gingrich because he's a lying, philandering sleezebag. And those are Republicans.

The single most unpopular governor of all time in the history of polling here in the state of FL is the self-proclaimed Tea Party governor who is doing nothing more than exactly what he said he'd do. He was elected in 2010 on the back of disgust and revulsion at Obama. I met lots of those people who said they were voting for Rick Scott because they hated Obama. Now, his name is mud and the brand is in the tank. If Obama wins here, it isn't because of your bullshit bigotry or anti-capitalism. It will be because the economy is getting better, the electorate is reacting against the state Republicans, and/or Romney is just a weak candidate.

 

[JoeB131]

I have yet to meet a person who said they wouldn't vote for Romney here in FL because he was a Mormon. I have met lots of people who said they wouldn't vote for Gingrich because he's a lying, philandering sleezebag. And those are Republicans.

The single most unpopular governor of all time in the history of polling here in the state of FL is the self-proclaimed Tea Party governor who is doing nothing more than exactly what he said he'd do. He was elected in 2010 on the back of disgust and revulsion at Obama. I met lots of those people who said they were voting for Rick Scott because they hated Obama. Now, his name is mud and the brand is in the tank. If Obama wins here, it isn't because of your bullshit bigotry or anti-capitalism. It will be because the economy is getting better, the electorate is reacting against the state Republicans, and/or Romney is just a weak candidate.

Guy, it sounds like you are making excuses already.

Since you would scream "bigot" at anyone who dare express the opinion that Mormons are kind of creepy and evil, it's not like anyone is going to volunteer that information, is it?

Now, even if Romney wasn't part of the Whackadoo cult, he has a bunch of strikes against him. Flip-flopper, corporatist bloodsucker, phony. He's just an awful candidate. And you INSIST that this is the guy we have to go with.

Point is, George W. Bush, with all his flaws, put states into play that the Democrats haven't had to worry about in years. They had to shore up Wisconsin and Minnesota and Michigan.

Nobody seriously thinks Romney is going to be competitive in those states.

Guy, you seriously need to put down the koolaid.