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I'd be okay with outlawing amputation and bone breaking. I'm not sure you can do either one without a grave risk of death...but even if, I still think they are so outre', 99% of all other adult consensual sexual behavior would be legal.
The one that gives me the most pause is breath play. Any cop and most military types prolly know how to cause unconsciousness but not death -- I'd imagine they all know at least how to do a choke hold. Most BDSM-related deaths resulting in homicide charges arise from breath play of one sort or another....and I hear teens are getting into this as well.
I think people should have to demonstrate aptitude at both the breath play and the revival, if one is needed, or else face homicide charges if the bottom dies, regardless of the bottom's consent.
And I dun think minors should be doing this AT ALL.
I agree on breath play, actually. My club recently had a debate about whether or not to allow it on the premises, and came down on the side of a rule prohibiting "any play to intentionally cause unconsciousness" and "no carotid artery play".
So no grabbing the neck? (Sorry I've never heard of breath play or the carotid artery, human anatomy never interested me).
missouri did you see where i said consenting adults...
I did...but you cannot use the argument for one behavior and dismiss it for the other.
If a pedophile is sick because of his (or her) aberrant sexual desires and virtual porn will only encourage and strengthen his urges (which I believe is true) then shouldn't the same holds true of a Dominants aberrant sexual urges. Is what the Dom real wants to dominate the willing?
Do you feel the same way about virtual kiddie porn?
Are you talking about porn made with real actors and age-regression software?
I think he means drawings/animations of kids being screwed.
I don't think they cause pedophilia, so I don't want them to be illegal.
I agree with you there. That's why I don't think this girl may have a case. But I still think they are all fucking sickos and deserve each other.
Taboo Magazine is not illegal. But I would hope that its contributors and sibscribers are not teaching school children.
It was an open question.
But now we're on the same page...I think nothing good comes from a societal acceptance of sexual behavior that encourages and strengthens the urge to demean, humiliate and physically abuse of another human being.
"Social acceptance" and "illegality" are two different issues. You are free to disapprove, and to express that disapproval. No one is trying to alter your personal tastes. I would like to see laws changed so that your community could not prosecute criminally in the absence of a risk of severe harm or death.
Apparently, this is where we disagree.
You'll have to link to any post of mine that mentions in any way shape or form criminalization.
In fact, I think I posted that these folks have the right as consenting adults to engage in this sexual behavior.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/138511-sex-slave-or-consenting-adult-2.html#post2883844
What I have contended from my first post is that they have underlying psychological issues that drive these behaviors.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/138511-sex-slave-or-consenting-adult.html#post2883316
missouri did you see where i said consenting adults...
I did...but you cannot use the argument for one behavior and dismiss it for the other.
If a pedophile is sick because of his (or her) aberrant sexual desires and virtual porn will only encourage and strengthen his urges (which I believe is true) then shouldn't the same holds true of a Dominants aberrant sexual urges. Is what the Dom real wants to dominate the willing?
How many cases of woman being held against their will as sex slaves have been reported recently...didn't 20/20 just report on this a week or two ago?
BDSM is consensual conduct between two adults, Missourian. Without consent, the conduct is all some form of assault or false imprisonment, etc.
The issue of trafficking is grave, and deserves the attention of law enforcement, but has nothing whatsoever to do with BDSM.
Are you talking about porn made with real actors and age-regression software?
I think he means drawings/animations of kids being screwed.
I don't think they cause pedophilia, so I don't want them to be illegal.
Ugh. I didn't even know such things existed.
"Social acceptance" and "illegality" are two different issues. You are free to disapprove, and to express that disapproval. No one is trying to alter your personal tastes. I would like to see laws changed so that your community could not prosecute criminally in the absence of a risk of severe harm or death.
Apparently, this is where we disagree.
You'll have to link to any post of mine that mentions in any way shape or form criminalization.
In fact, I think I posted that these folks have the right as consenting adults to engage in this sexual behavior.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/138511-sex-slave-or-consenting-adult-2.html#post2883844
What I have contended from my first post is that they have underlying psychological issues that drive these behaviors.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/138511-sex-slave-or-consenting-adult.html#post2883316
Mebbe so. Mebbe not. I'd argue most BDSM behavior is so common, it cannot be a signifier of "issues". But if we are in agreement about criminal sanctions, then it doesn't really matter.
There is a lot of BDSM that is consensual. What comes into question is the fact that she started at 16 and was mentally deficient.
Seems like rape
I think he means drawings/animations of kids being screwed.
I don't think they cause pedophilia, so I don't want them to be illegal.
Ugh. I didn't even know such things existed.
Given that this is the internet I find that surprising. Then again I never heard of the things you were talking about.
Ugh. I didn't even know such things existed.
Given that this is the internet I find that surprising. Then again I never heard of the things you were talking about.
Visual porn has zero appeal for me. True story....I have never seen 'net porn, except by accident.
Given that this is the internet I find that surprising. Then again I never heard of the things you were talking about.
Visual porn has zero appeal for me. True story....I have never seen 'net porn, except by accident.
What other porn is there besides visual? Do you just listen to people having sex and go for an eargasm?
Do you feel the same way about virtual kiddie porn?
Dunno who you're asking, but personally, I think anything that encourages or strengthens the urges of pedophiles shouldn't be allowed. Nothing good is ever going to come from that.
It was an open question.
But now we're on the same page...I think nothing good comes from a societal acceptance of sexual behavior that encourages and strengthens the urge to demean, humiliate and physically abuse of another human being.
Caning and being nailed to a board fails the undue risk test.
I'd put the bar far further out, Missourian. Risk of death would be my benchmark; I would be willing to criminalize very few consensual behaviors between adults that do not involve this. Take scarification and blood play; the fact is, without one party being infected, blood play can be quite safe. I doubt you'd find any reported death in the US attributable to it. Does that mean I approve? Of course not...but neither do I approve of any other extreme body modification and the whole vampire thingie leaves me cold.
I just don't see why my personal sexual appetites should dictate the outer limits of anyone else's behavior.
Most people in the community draw the line at "lasting physical harm". Basically, if it's going to involve a trip to the doctor, they avoid it.
Dunno who you're asking, but personally, I think anything that encourages or strengthens the urges of pedophiles shouldn't be allowed. Nothing good is ever going to come from that.
It was an open question.
But now we're on the same page...I think nothing good comes from a societal acceptance of sexual behavior that encourages and strengthens the urge to demean, humiliate and physically abuse of another human being.
No, we're not on the same page. My position is that nothing good comes from societal acceptance - or even tolerance - of HARMING another human being. Safe, sane, and consensual BDSM among adults harms no one.
And no one is asking you to accept anything. The practitioners just ask that you mind your own business. Disapprove as you see fit, but don't impose it on them.
missouri did you see where i said consenting adults...
I did...but you cannot use the argument for one behavior and dismiss it for the other.
If a pedophile is sick because of his (or her) aberrant sexual desires and virtual porn will only encourage and strengthen his urges (which I believe is true) then shouldn't the same holds true of a Dominants aberrant sexual urges. Is what the Dom real wants to dominate the willing?
How many cases of woman being held against their will as sex slaves have been reported recently...didn't 20/20 just report on this a week or two ago?
They claim she was "mentally deficient". I would suggest that anyone who practices BDSM is "mentally deficient", wouldn't you?
No.
