Several Polls Go Against Dems And Surrender Plan

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It seems Dems are going against the wishes of the Amercian people with their surrender plan, pull out dates, and attempts to cut off funding of the Iraq war

The liberal media will be ignioring these polls, and libs may stare at the numbers in disbelief




According to a recent USA Today/Gallup poll, 61% of Americans oppose “denying the funding needed to send any additional U.S. troops to Iraq,” and opposition is up from 58% in February. (3/23-25, 2007).


A Bloomberg poll reveals 61% of Americans believe withholding funding for the war is a bad idea, while only 28% believe it is a good idea (3/3-11, 2007).
A recent Public Opinion Strategies (POS) poll found that 56% of registered voters favor fully funding the war in Iraq, with more voters strongly favoring funding (40%) than totally opposing it (38%); (3/25-27, 2007).
POS found also that a majority of voters (54%) oppose the Democrats imposing a reduction in troops below the level military commanders requested (3/25-27, 2007).
A separate POS poll finds 57% of voters support staying in Iraq until the job is finished and “the Iraqi government can maintain control and provide security for its people.” And 59% of voters say pulling out of Iraq immediately would do more to harm America’s reputation in the world than staying until order is restored (35%); (2/5-7, 2007).
A Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll show 69% of American voters trust military commanders more than members of Congress (18%) to decide when United States troops should leave Iraq. This includes 52% of Democrats, 69% of Independents and 88% of Republicans (3/27-28, 2007).
According to a recent Pew Research survey, only 17% of Americans want an immediate withdrawal of troops (4/18-22, 2007). That same poll found a plurality of adults (45%) believe a terrorist attack against the United States is more likely if we withdraw our troops from Iraq while the “country remains unstable”
Should a date for withdrawal be set, 70% of American believe it is likely that “insurgents will increase their attacks in Iraq” starting on that day. This is supported by 85% of Republicans, 71% of Independents and 60% of Democrats. (FOX News/Opinion Dynamics, 4/17-18, 2007).
An LA Times/Bloomberg polls reveals that 50% of Americans say setting a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq “hurts” the troops, while only 27% believe it “helps” the troops (4/5-9, 2007).
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODZjYTZlMzYzYzkzNjU3YTgyMWNjOGYyNDA2ZThlMTg=
 

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According to a Los Angeles Times Poll:

Q: If George W. Bush vetoes the legislation, do you think Congress should pass another version of the bill that provides funding for the war without any conditions for troop withdrawal, or should Congress refuse to pass any funding bill until Bush agrees to accept conditions for withdrawal?

Fund the war without conditions: 43%
Withhold funding until Bush signs: 45%
Don't know: 12%

I know this is only one poll, but I believe that the tide is turning and that eventually more Americans will favor the withdrawal dates.
 

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Can you give a link to the LA Times poll? Who did they ask questions to? What is the margin of error? Was it likely voters or the easier to play with "voting age" group? Was it only people in California?

Come on dude. Gives us the information!
 

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Can you give a link to the LA Times poll? Who did they ask questions to? What is the margin of error? Was it likely voters or the easier to play with "voting age" group? Was it only people in California?

Come on dude. Gives us the information!
Hell yeah! One post ... break him/her in right, no1.:badgrin:
 

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Can you give a link to the LA Times poll? Who did they ask questions to? What is the margin of error? Was it likely voters or the easier to play with "voting age" group? Was it only people in California?

Come on dude. Gives us the information!
There is a rule here, don't ask me why, but I cannot post a link until after 15 posts. Sorry, you will have to look it up yourself.
 

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Can you give a link to the LA Times poll? Who did they ask questions to? What is the margin of error? Was it likely voters or the easier to play with "voting age" group? Was it only people in California?

Come on dude. Gives us the information!
In case you missed it, I put up the actual polls that show RSR is dead wrong. Every major poll that he cites shows that public opinion supports timetables passed by the House and Senate.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/showthread.php?t=48306&page=11

According to a recent Pew Research survey, only 17% of Americans want an immediate withdrawal of troops (4/18-22, 2007).
PEW RESEARCH SURVEY:
Q.51 Do you think the U.S. should or should not set a timetable for when troops will be withdrawn from Iraq?
Should set a timetable 56%
Should not set a timetable 38%
Should get out now 1%
http://people-press.org/reports/questionnaires/323.pdf

Red States Rule said:
Should a date for withdrawal be set, 70% of American believe it is likely that “insurgents will increase their attacks in Iraq” starting on that day. This is supported by 85% of Republicans, 71% of Independents and 60% of Democrats. (FOX News/Opinion Dynamics, 4/17-18, 2007).
FOX NEWS/OPINION DYNAMICS POLL:
32. Do you approve or disapprove of Congress setting a deadline for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq?
Approve 54%
Disapprove 42%
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/041907_poll.pdf

Red States Rule said:
An LA Times/Bloomberg polls reveals that 50% of Americans say setting a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq “hurts” the troops, while only 27% believe it “helps” the troops (4/5-9, 2007).
LA TIMES/BLOOMBERG:
Q49. As you may know, Democrats in both houses of Congress passed legislation that ties further funding of the war in Iraq to targeted dates for withdrawal of combat troops from Iraq. Bush says he will veto any measure that sets such a timetable because he believes it would tie the hands of battlefield commanders and make defeat in Iraq more likely. Do you think that Bush should sign a funding authorization that includes a timetable for withdrawal, or should he veto that legislation?
Pass legislation 48%
Veto it 43%
http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat/2007-04/28957478.pdf

"(CBS) Most Americans back Democrats in Congress in their showdown with President Bush over Iraq, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll.

Sixty-four percent of those surveyed favor setting a timetable for a U.S. troop pullout by 2008. The Senate passed legislation Thursday that would require the withdrawal of U.S. forces to begin by Oct. 1."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/26/opinion/polls/main2731960.shtml

"WASHINGTON - As the Democrat-controlled Congress and the White House clash over an Iraq spending bill, with President Bush vowing to veto it because it contains withdrawal deadlines, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that a solid majority of Americans side with the Democrats.

In addition, a nearly equal number believe that victory in Iraq isn't possible, and about only one in eight think the war has improved in the three months since Bush called for a troop increase there...The poll — which was taken of 1,004 adults from April 20-23, and which has an overall margin of error of 3.1 percentage points — comes as Congress considers an supplemental spending bill that would begin withdrawing troops from Iraq no later than Oct. 1, with the goal of having all combat troops leave by March 2008."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18312789/

Red States Rule said:
According to a recent USA Today/Gallup poll, 61% of Americans oppose “denying the funding needed to send any additional U.S. troops to Iraq,” and opposition is up from 58% in February. (3/23-25, 2007).
USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL:
B. Setting a time-table for withdrawing all U.S. troops from Iraq no later than the fall of 2008
Favor 60%
Oppose 38%
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=1633





Of course RSR will be ignioring these polls, and he may stare at the numbers in disbelief.
 

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There is a rule here, don't ask me why, but I cannot post a link until after 15 posts. Sorry, you will have to look it up yourself.
Really? Don't post it as a url then. Just give the address after the www.

Like this:

usmessageboard.com
 

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There is a rule here, don't ask me why, but I cannot post a link until after 15 posts. Sorry, you will have to look it up yourself.
Most posters who are contributing posters get WAY beyond 15. Drive-by spammers, on the other hand, do not.

Sorry for the inconvenience. Welcome aboard, and hopefully you'll get to 15 soon enough.
 

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Most posters who are contributing posters get WAY beyond 15. Drive-by spammers, on the other hand, do not.

Sorry for the inconvenience. Welcome aboard, and hopefully you'll get to 15 soon enough.
I can see why it is a good idea, it would keep the spammers down a bit and you could stop them before they post their links...
 

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In case you missed it, I put up the actual polls that show RSR is dead wrong. Every major poll that he cites shows that public opinion supports timetables passed by the House and Senate.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/showthread.php?t=48306&page=11


PEW RESEARCH SURVEY:
Q.51 Do you think the U.S. should or should not set a timetable for when troops will be withdrawn from Iraq?
Should set a timetable 56%
Should not set a timetable 38%
Should get out now 1%
http://people-press.org/reports/questionnaires/323.pdf


FOX NEWS/OPINION DYNAMICS POLL:
32. Do you approve or disapprove of Congress setting a deadline for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq?
Approve 54%
Disapprove 42%
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/041907_poll.pdf


LA TIMES/BLOOMBERG:
Q49. As you may know, Democrats in both houses of Congress passed legislation that ties further funding of the war in Iraq to targeted dates for withdrawal of combat troops from Iraq. Bush says he will veto any measure that sets such a timetable because he believes it would tie the hands of battlefield commanders and make defeat in Iraq more likely. Do you think that Bush should sign a funding authorization that includes a timetable for withdrawal, or should he veto that legislation?
Pass legislation 48%
Veto it 43%
http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat/2007-04/28957478.pdf

"(CBS) Most Americans back Democrats in Congress in their showdown with President Bush over Iraq, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll.

Sixty-four percent of those surveyed favor setting a timetable for a U.S. troop pullout by 2008. The Senate passed legislation Thursday that would require the withdrawal of U.S. forces to begin by Oct. 1."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/26/opinion/polls/main2731960.shtml

"WASHINGTON - As the Democrat-controlled Congress and the White House clash over an Iraq spending bill, with President Bush vowing to veto it because it contains withdrawal deadlines, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that a solid majority of Americans side with the Democrats.

In addition, a nearly equal number believe that victory in Iraq isn't possible, and about only one in eight think the war has improved in the three months since Bush called for a troop increase there...The poll — which was taken of 1,004 adults from April 20-23, and which has an overall margin of error of 3.1 percentage points — comes as Congress considers an supplemental spending bill that would begin withdrawing troops from Iraq no later than Oct. 1, with the goal of having all combat troops leave by March 2008."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18312789/


USA TODAY/GALLUP POLL:
B. Setting a time-table for withdrawing all U.S. troops from Iraq no later than the fall of 2008
Favor 60%
Oppose 38%
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=1633





Of course RSR will be ignioring these polls, and he may stare at the numbers in disbelief.
RSR? No way!:shock:
 

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I can see why it is a good idea, it would keep the spammers down a bit and you could stop them before they post their links...
Most boards put the number at 60. 15 is no wall.
 
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RSR? No way!:shock:
I would not be so cocky -

Majority Oppose Supplemental Spending Shenanigans
By James Joyner
Glen Bolger of Public Opinion Strategies* has announced the results of a telephone survey conducted for the Republican National Committee of 800 registered voters from March 25-27, 2007. They found a majority opposed to the provisions of the Iraq War Supplemental Spending bill that just passed both Houses of Congress but faces an almost certain veto by President Bush.

Key Findings follow in block quotes below, with analysis interspersed.




1. A solid majority of Americans want Congress to fully fund the war in Iraq.

When asked if they favor or oppose Congress fully funding the war in Iraq, 56% favor fully funding the war in Iraq, while just 38% oppose. In fact, more voters STRONGLY favor (40%) Congress fully funding the war in Iraq than out-right oppose it (38%).

Support for funding our troops is consistent across the board:

Republicans are unified with 87% support. A majority (55%) of Independents support fully funding the war in Iraq. Despite the party line vote in Congress, more than one in four Democrats support funding for our military in Iraq.
Across the country, majorities of Americans support funding our troops - including 51% in the Northeast, 56% in the Midwest, 58% in the South, and 59% in the West.
The phrase “fully fund” may be more likely to lead to positive response than some other choices. Other surveys released this week have indicated majority support for setting a deadline to bring the troops home.

2. Americans soundly reject key components of the Democratic funding bill for Iraq.

When asked about the Democrats attaching spending for non-defense, domestic projects to a defense bill, more than three-in-five voters (64%) oppose the bill, including a majority (53%) who STRONGLY oppose it. Just 30% favor the Democrats use of pork barrel projects in the Iraq War funding legislation.

Almost half of Democratic voters (41%) oppose including domestic spending in a defense bill.
A majority (54%) also oppose Democrats imposing a reduction in troops below levels requested by military commanders, while just 41% favor.

Among Independents, 54% oppose the troop reduction levels, while just 37% favor it.
The first set of responses is interesting only in that the numbers are so low. People generally hate pork barrel spending and would prefer to see “clean” bills that focused only on the titular subject of the legislation.

Much more interesting is that a bare majority oppose reducing troop numbers. How the question was framed is unclear from the press release, however. It’s somewhat odd to me that Independents match the general population exactly.

They next turn to the Matt Yglesias question:

3. Voters point the finger of blame squarely in the Democrats’ direction for not funding the troops.

We read voters the following statements and asked them to pick which statement they agreed with the most.

President Bush has declared that he will veto the bill because it sets a timetable for withdrawal in Iraq and includes billions of dollars in non-emergency spending. By vetoing this bill, a spending bill for the troops will not be passed.

In thinking about this, which position do you agree with most? (ROTATE STATEMENTS)

40% (SOME/OTHER) people say that if President Bush vetoes the Democratic spending bill then Bush should be blamed for not funding the troops because his veto will mean that there is no spending package available for the troops.

…OR…

50% (OTHER/SOME) people say that if President Bush vetoes the Democratic spending bill then the Democrats in Congress are to be blamed for not funding the troops because they attached restrictions on the President and military commanders in Iraq along with billions of dollars in pork barrel spending to a bill intended to help the troops.

A plurality of Independent voters (47%) would blame Democrats for not funding the troops, while just 33% say the blame lies with the President.

The second question is a bit wordy and the use of the phrase “billions of dollars in pork barrel spending to a bill intended to help the troops” could well be prejudicial. Again, it’s odd to me that Independents are more supportive of the president on this than the general population, which tends to have something like a 1/3-1/3-1/3 Democrat-Republican-Independent breakdown.

My guess, though, is that the numbers wouldn’t move much on this one with a cleaner wording. Even though the war and the president are both unpopular, people generally don’t want Congress micromanaging our wars.

UPDATE: In the comments, “Anjin-San” says these are “Nice GOP talking points.”

Absolutely. This is, after all, a poll commisioned by the RNC.

The GOP is polling to see how the public reacts to the way it’s trying to frame the debate. What the polling shows is that, if they can persuade the public that the issue is “fully funding the war,” “not adding pork to a war bill,” or “Democrats in Congress micromanaging the war,” they win. That’s actually useful information. If the GOP talking points were polling at 40%, they’d need a very different political strategy.

Of course, if they were polling at 40%, they probably wouldn’t be issuing a press release on the results. That’s the advantage of paying for your own survey research.

________

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/03/majority_oppose_supplemental_spending_shenanigans/
 

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I would not be so cocky -

Majority Oppose Supplemental Spending Shenanigans
By James Joyner
Glen Bolger of Public Opinion Strategies* has announced the results of a telephone survey conducted for the Republican National Committee of 800 registered voters from March 25-27, 2007.
So to sum it all up, you've been reduced to a POS poll (which states it's bias and political affiliation) taken in March and are now ignoring the recent results of the Gallup, WSJ, Fox News, CBS, and Bloomberg polls despite linking to them earlier. You should ask a mod or admin to change the title of this thread to, "Month Old Republican Poll Goes Against Dems And Surrender Plan." It'd be more accurate.
 
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So to sum it all up, you've been reduced to a POS poll (which states it's bias and political affiliation) taken in March and are now ignoring the recent results of the Gallup, WSJ, Fox News, CBS, and Bloomberg polls despite linking to them earlier. You should ask a mod or admin to change the title of this thread to, "Month Old Republican Poll Goes Against Dems And Surrender Plan." It'd be more accurate.
If the polls are going with Dems - why are they caving on their surrender bill?
 

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