Settlers Assault 60 Year Old Palestinian Judge

[Lipush]

That is the inherent flaw within Zionism, it accepts some people are children of a lesser God. "

You see what I mean Cayote?

Should this woman be taken seriously?

But Zionism treats Jews and nonJews differently, one group with superior rights to the other. Are you really in denial of that being true? Look at the story in the OP, how Jewish settlers are allowed to attack Palestinians. Often, in these attacks soldiers stand there and watch them happen and sometimes they even participate in the attacks against Palestinians. It was not that long ago I posted an article by Rabbis For Human Rights and a Rabbi was present in an attack by the IDF on a Palestinian village. This was a village that suffers regular attacks from both settlers and the IDF. What shocked him was how the soldiers had absolutely no concern for the injured, even their fellow soldiers. He was trying to go to the aid of those hurt and they would not let off the attacks even to allow him or others to get to those hurt. But that illustrates what Occupation does to the occupiers and oppressors, it takes the humanity out of them, a little more lost with each atrocity one participates in.

Look at the story in the OP, how Jewish settlers are allowed to attack Palestinians.

That should not happen

"Often, in these attacks soldiers stand there and watch them happen and sometimes they even participate in the attacks against Palestinians."

Link please

It was not that long ago I posted an article by Rabbis For Human Rights

LOL

 

[Lipush]

"Look at the story in the OP"

What's op?!

Opening Post

Oh. ok, thanks

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course there were many "indigenous" people in the area. They were mostly nomads with no roots. One season they would be in Jordan, next season in Palestine, then Syria, Egypt or Lebanon. They had no claim to anything. But when Israel started making the land liveable and prosperous, then...............Whoa, Nelly! Bar the door!

The Beduoins were one group and yes, they were nomadic. However there were also many established Arab villages in those areas. I'm not talking about what is Israel proper within it's originally established borders - I'm talking about the Occupied Territories and the settlers.

But all that raises yet another question, and it's very much why the settler movement reminds me of the American westward expansion and the primacy of the Divine Mandate that gave them moral authority to force out indiginous peoples. Simply because they lived largely in subsistance or small scale trade economies or were nomadic - they had no right to the territories over which they moved.

So why is it that one group (stationary) has greater rights over another group (nomadic over set routes)?

Why is it that some how rights to a land is governed by how much a group "improves it" over who has lived there?

Why is it that Arab villages, who lacked the huge monetary donations and resources that the Israeli's recieved over time to develop their country and agriculture - suddenly don't have the same rights to their land as "settlers" who come in and take it? Somehow if they don't "improve it" they have less rights? Why do they even HAVE to improve it?

What if you have a hundred acres of empty field and forest, you only tend a few acres to feed your family - then some guy comes in, develops fifty acres into an agricultural paradise and claims it is now his so bugger off. You refuse and he starts vandalizing your fruit trees, burning your trucks, terrorizing your children and, this is ok because he "improved the land" so he has a greater right to it?

I base my reason on the fact that a Greater Power gave the land to the Tribes of Israel and I believe in that with implicit confidence and no argument on earth will persuade me to change my mind.

Are you talking about the great realtor in the sky?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The settlers are the Arabs.

I'm afraid in this case you don't get the prize.

The "Arabs" preceded the Jewish "settlers'.

Try to keep up

There were ALWAYS Jews in Israel, in times where Arab clans used to rob and kill and assault eachother, far away from our homeland.

Try to keep up

When was it that the Jews were the only people there?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Arabs got their countries.... Now the Jews have theirs...You're welcome again.

You're very welcoming, it's a pity you aren't as welcoming or receptive to facts.

The Jews have a country.

It's called Israel. No one is arguing their right to a country.

Countries are not determined by vague ethnic groups like "Arabs". Otherwise, we would only need one European country. One African country. You get it right?

So, we agree that the Jews have their country. Now lets move to the illegally held occupied territory and the question of "settlers" invading it.

That belongs to the Palestinians.

You're seriously saying that.

99% of the Arabs don't accept Israel's right to exist.

Israel does not fit the legal definition of a state.

 

[Lipush]

You're very welcoming, it's a pity you aren't as welcoming or receptive to facts.

The Jews have a country.

It's called Israel. No one is arguing their right to a country.

Countries are not determined by vague ethnic groups like "Arabs". Otherwise, we would only need one European country. One African country. You get it right?

So, we agree that the Jews have their country. Now lets move to the illegally held occupied territory and the question of "settlers" invading it.

That belongs to the Palestinians.

You're seriously saying that.

99% of the Arabs don't accept Israel's right to exist.

Israel does not fit the legal definition of a state.

Yes it does.

Stop saying stupid rediculous things.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is the inherent flaw within Zionism, it accepts some people are children of a lesser God. "

You see what I mean Cayote?

Should this woman be taken seriously?

But Zionism treats Jews and nonJews differently, one group with superior rights to the other. Are you really in denial of that being true? Look at the story in the OP, how Jewish settlers are allowed to attack Palestinians. Often, in these attacks soldiers stand there and watch them happen and sometimes they even participate in the attacks against Palestinians. It was not that long ago I posted an article by Rabbis For Human Rights and a Rabbi was present in an attack by the IDF on a Palestinian village. This was a village that suffers regular attacks from both settlers and the IDF. What shocked him was how the soldiers had absolutely no concern for the injured, even their fellow soldiers. He was trying to go to the aid of those hurt and they would not let off the attacks even to allow him or others to get to those hurt. But that illustrates what Occupation does to the occupiers and oppressors, it takes the humanity out of them, a little more lost with each atrocity one participates in.

Look at the story in the OP, how Jewish settlers are allowed to attack Palestinians.

That should not happen

"Often, in these attacks soldiers stand there and watch them happen and sometimes they even participate in the attacks against Palestinians."

Link please

It was not that long ago I posted an article by Rabbis For Human Rights

LOL

It is regularly reported that the IDF either does nothing or even defends the settlers who are attacking Palestinians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You're seriously saying that.

99% of the Arabs don't accept Israel's right to exist.

Israel does not fit the legal definition of a state.

Yes it does.

Stop saying stupid rediculous things.

Look it up.

 

[Lipush]

That is the inherent flaw within Zionism, it accepts some people are children of a lesser God. "

You see what I mean Cayote?

Should this woman be taken seriously?

But Zionism treats Jews and nonJews differently, one group with superior rights to the other. Are you really in denial of that being true? Look at the story in the OP, how Jewish settlers are allowed to attack Palestinians. Often, in these attacks soldiers stand there and watch them happen and sometimes they even participate in the attacks against Palestinians. It was not that long ago I posted an article by Rabbis For Human Rights and a Rabbi was present in an attack by the IDF on a Palestinian village. This was a village that suffers regular attacks from both settlers and the IDF. What shocked him was how the soldiers had absolutely no concern for the injured, even their fellow soldiers. He was trying to go to the aid of those hurt and they would not let off the attacks even to allow him or others to get to those hurt. But that illustrates what Occupation does to the occupiers and oppressors, it takes the humanity out of them, a little more lost with each atrocity one participates in.

Below are Photos and the link to that Rabbis For Human Rights article.

Photos

"The Idf soldiers collaborating with settlers that attacks the Palestinians at Kusra"

Six Palestinian cars torched in price tag attack

A few words about the Violent events in Kusra and Judaism and Human Rights in Israel and the Territories | Rabbi Yehiel Grenimann | Rabbis for Human Rights

After a second round of tear gas

After a second round of tear gas we spotted someone, wearing a red sweater or shirt, lying on the ground near the soldiers. Zakaria called out that there was someone wounded, but to no avail. The shooting and stone-throwing continued. We tried approaching slowly in the car, calling out that someone was wounded.We successfully got the young men near us to stop throwing rocks, but the army opened fire again almost hitting us. We closed the windows and retreated again. Phonecalls to a local DCO officer made it possible to get a Palestinian ambulance in to help the wounded man – still lying on the ground, and another who had also been injured. I was told he was a diabetic who also suffered from asthma. He had been lying on the ground not moving much for a long time and we were seriously concerned for his life.

The young man was being given oxygen and sitting up as we left. He was very red in the face, but he was alive!

Apparently a couple of soldiers were also injured, but that must have happened after we left. (Throughout the entire event I saw no attempt by my fellow Israelis to take care of the injured of either side!)

"Six Palestinian cars torched in price tag attack"

Oh, about that....

Police: Palestinians tried to fabricate 'price tag' attack - Israel News, Ynetnews

 

[Lipush]

"Last week, residents from Kusra reported that settlers had infiltrated their village in the middle of the night, torched six cars and fled the scene. They produced an ID card to prove that settlers were behind the act.

It was later revealed that the card belonged to a soldier who had lost it in the village a few days earlier. When police arrived at the village to investigate the claims, they were pelted with stones and driven away.

Nevertheless, having examined photos from the crime scene officers noticed they had been deliberately staged to give the impression that a "price tag" had taken place. "

Mhmmmmm

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

That is the inherent flaw within Zionism, it accepts some people are children of a lesser God. "

You see what I mean Cayote?

Should this woman be taken seriously?

But Zionism treats Jews and nonJews differently, one group with superior rights to the other. Are you really in denial of that being true? Look at the story in the OP, how Jewish settlers are allowed to attack Palestinians. Often, in these attacks soldiers stand there and watch them happen and sometimes they even participate in the attacks against Palestinians. It was not that long ago I posted an article by Rabbis For Human Rights and a Rabbi was present in an attack by the IDF on a Palestinian village. This was a village that suffers regular attacks from both settlers and the IDF. What shocked him was how the soldiers had absolutely no concern for the injured, even their fellow soldiers. He was trying to go to the aid of those hurt and they would not let off the attacks even to allow him or others to get to those hurt. But that illustrates what Occupation does to the occupiers and oppressors, it takes the humanity out of them, a little more lost with each atrocity one participates in.

Below are Photos and the link to that Rabbis For Human Rights article.

Photos

"The Idf soldiers collaborating with settlers that attacks the Palestinians at Kusra"

Six Palestinian cars torched in price tag attack

A few words about the Violent events in Kusra and Judaism and Human Rights in Israel and the Territories | Rabbi Yehiel Grenimann | Rabbis for Human Rights

After a second round of tear gas

After a second round of tear gas we spotted someone, wearing a red sweater or shirt, lying on the ground near the soldiers. Zakaria called out that there was someone wounded, but to no avail. The shooting and stone-throwing continued. We tried approaching slowly in the car, calling out that someone was wounded.We successfully got the young men near us to stop throwing rocks, but the army opened fire again almost hitting us. We closed the windows and retreated again. Phonecalls to a local DCO officer made it possible to get a Palestinian ambulance in to help the wounded man – still lying on the ground, and another who had also been injured. I was told he was a diabetic who also suffered from asthma. He had been lying on the ground not moving much for a long time and we were seriously concerned for his life.

The young man was being given oxygen and sitting up as we left. He was very red in the face, but he was alive!

Apparently a couple of soldiers were also injured, but that must have happened after we left. (Throughout the entire event I saw no attempt by my fellow Israelis to take care of the injured of either side!)

"Six Palestinian cars torched in price tag attack"

Oh, about that....

Police: Palestinians tried to fabricate 'price tag' attack - Israel News, Ynetnews

AND we all do not buy into Hasbara, like Rabbis from Rabbis For Human Rights. THAT Rabbi witnessed an IDF attack on a Palestinian village.

 

[kvetch]

The settlers are the Arabs.

what a moron you are

arabs settled the west bank at least 1,000 years ago

the jewish thieves have been there just a few years

about the level of stupidity and ignorance of saying that the NRA and the gun lobby in your idiot adolescent yankee land is concerned with protecting not massacring loads of school kids

have you ever heard of FACTS???????????????

 

[Hossfly]

The Beduoins were one group and yes, they were nomadic. However there were also many established Arab villages in those areas. I'm not talking about what is Israel proper within it's originally established borders - I'm talking about the Occupied Territories and the settlers.

But all that raises yet another question, and it's very much why the settler movement reminds me of the American westward expansion and the primacy of the Divine Mandate that gave them moral authority to force out indiginous peoples. Simply because they lived largely in subsistance or small scale trade economies or were nomadic - they had no right to the territories over which they moved.

So why is it that one group (stationary) has greater rights over another group (nomadic over set routes)?

Why is it that some how rights to a land is governed by how much a group "improves it" over who has lived there?

Why is it that Arab villages, who lacked the huge monetary donations and resources that the Israeli's recieved over time to develop their country and agriculture - suddenly don't have the same rights to their land as "settlers" who come in and take it? Somehow if they don't "improve it" they have less rights? Why do they even HAVE to improve it?

What if you have a hundred acres of empty field and forest, you only tend a few acres to feed your family - then some guy comes in, develops fifty acres into an agricultural paradise and claims it is now his so bugger off. You refuse and he starts vandalizing your fruit trees, burning your trucks, terrorizing your children and, this is ok because he "improved the land" so he has a greater right to it?

I base my reason on the fact that a Greater Power gave the land to the Tribes of Israel and I believe in that with implicit confidence and no argument on earth will persuade me to change my mind.

Are you talking about the great realtor in the sky?

No way, Tinmore. As you can see, I was talking about the mayor of Hoboken.

 

[member]

"The Jews have a country. It's called Israel. No one is arguing their right to a country..."

...tell that to them.......


[URL=http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/aliage75/media/SMILEY%20WORLD/d8_zps2ca23162.jpg.html] [/URL] (ho-hum, it's always the cute ones...they're either gay or suicide bombers...)

"So, we agree that the Jews have their country. Now lets move to the illegally held occupied territory and the question of "settlers" invading it. That belongs to the Palestinians."

 

[Jroc]

The settlers are the Arabs.

what a moron you are

arabs settled the west bank at least 1,000 years ago

the jewish thieves have been there just a few years

about the level of stupidity and ignorance of saying that the NRA and the gun lobby in your idiot adolescent yankee land is concerned with protecting not massacring loads of school kids

have you ever heard of FACTS???????????????

The West Bank was created only 50 yrs ago idiot

 

[Lipush]

No point in arguing with him. He's just another leftist who lost all aspects of common sense...

 

[Coyote]

The settlers are the Arabs.

I'm afraid in this case you don't get the prize.

The "Arabs" preceded the Jewish "settlers'.

Try to keep up

There were ALWAYS Jews in Israel, in times where Arab clans used to rob and kill and assault eachother, far away from our homeland.

Try to keep up

You are missing the points.

I did not and never have claimed there were never Jews in Israel. There have been Jews and Arabs in the region for centuries.

I'm talking very specifically about the Jewish "settler" movement into the occupied territories. A relatively recent phenomum.

Try to keep up

 

[Coyote]

The Arabs got their countries.... Now the Jews have theirs...You're welcome again.

You're very welcoming, it's a pity you aren't as welcoming or receptive to facts.

The Jews have a country.

It's called Israel. No one is arguing their right to a country.

Countries are not determined by vague ethnic groups like "Arabs". Otherwise, we would only need one European country. One African country. You get it right?

So, we agree that the Jews have their country. Now lets move to the illegally held occupied territory and the question of "settlers" invading it.

That belongs to the Palestinians.

You're seriously saying that.

99% of the Arabs don't accept Israel's right to exist.

I'm talking about people on this thread.

 

[Coyote]

where?

I always condemn violent acts by Jewish extremists. Just because I don't express that in every thread, doesn't mean I don't condemn it.

Haters are to busy listening to themselves they don't listen to others.

I think that applies to both sides. I see very little condemnation or sympathy in regards to an old man beaten up because he's Palistinian.

In fact, it's labeled by some as "unremarkable".

 

[Coyote]

The settlers are the Arabs.

what a moron you are

arabs settled the west bank at least 1,000 years ago

the jewish thieves have been there just a few years

about the level of stupidity and ignorance of saying that the NRA and the gun lobby in your idiot adolescent yankee land is concerned with protecting not massacring loads of school kids

have you ever heard of FACTS???????????????

Umh no....both groups have been there for a very long time. Just not in as large numbers.