Sessions, Federal Law & US Gov. 101: A Long-Overdue Crash Course for Rogue States

[Silhouette]

OK, I can go into all the various rogue states currently violating federal laws. But you know who they are and what they're up to. And maybe in their defense, their lawmakers, be it voters or their legislature or both, failed US Gov. 101 in high school. Or barely passed or whatever.

So I'll give a brief here on how it works. You see, long ago our Founding Fathers intuited that states can get weird. And by weird, I mean seditious and cliquey and rogue. So they set up Congress to have each state have their most powerful representatives (Senators) in DC at 2 apiece. That means that even tiny populated or small or weak states would have the same power of voice in the US Senate.

And boy has California demonstrated just why that is a very good idea. Oakland Mayor Should Face Federal Charges

By acting in an Office of authority, the Oakland Mayor has stood up as an example to her constituents, and the State of CA at large, that defying laws that govern all 50 states is now "just an option, open to individual whim". That's a very dangerous fire to allow to smoulder and spark in the dry tinder of a country with social unrest.

You can say you like pot or illegal aliens filling the jobs in your state while you and your family wonder why you're standard of living plummets. Maybe CA citizens are smoking so much pot that they're having trouble putting 2 + 2 together? But you know, other rogue and cliquey states might like slavery to come back too. Or segregation. Or child trafficking? When you defy federal laws under the umbrella of "it's popular now so **** DC (The rest of the Union)", you set up a precedent and an example by which defiance of federal law becomes vogue.

Indeed, for that matter, under that rationale, defying STATE laws can become vogue too. After all, if the Mayor of Oakland says "go ahead and defy federal law as you like!", what she's also saying is "go ahead and defy ANY law as you like". If brought up on charges, any defendant could cite that since a mayor of a town feels defiance of the most dominant laws of our land is perfectly legitimate, and remains unprosecuted herself for interfering with a federal investigation, costing millions of $ in US taxpayer man hours, processing and so forth, then said defendant could just claim the same immunity from following any state law s/he doesn't like.

My point being that enough is enough. It's time for USAG Sessions to give rogue states a crash course in American Government 101 and why all 50 states are equal in regulating the Union's binding laws, from their inception and adoption to their dissolution. If CA wants illegals to have amnesty just cuz, then they petition all other 49 states to get on board or no-go. And same with all other federal laws.

This Union is coming apart and you may feel ambivalent about illegals or pot or whatever else defiance is going on. But without a 50-State Union intact and potent as the FFs designed, you will be very upset when that precedent pushes forward a type of defiance that you definitely don't like.

The Fed Govt has overstepped its authority on 1000s of issues and it is time the states started standing up to the bullies in DC

The Constitution clearly lays out what the Fed Govt is responsible for, everything else is left to the states.

And by bullies, do you mean the other 49 states other than yours?

No, I mean the Fed Govt and how it goes well beyond the power given to it by the Constitution.

Well then you take away that power by convincing the other 49 states to do just that. You understand why it's important for states to not turn their backs on other states, right?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

OK, I can go into all the various rogue states currently violating federal laws. But you know who they are and what they're up to. And maybe in their defense, their lawmakers, be it voters or their legislature or both, failed US Gov. 101 in high school. Or barely passed or whatever.

So I'll give a brief here on how it works. You see, long ago our Founding Fathers intuited that states can get weird. And by weird, I mean seditious and cliquey and rogue. So they set up Congress to have each state have their most powerful representatives (Senators) in DC at 2 apiece. That means that even tiny populated or small or weak states would have the same power of voice in the US Senate.

And boy has California demonstrated just why that is a very good idea. Oakland Mayor Should Face Federal Charges

By acting in an Office of authority, the Oakland Mayor has stood up as an example to her constituents, and the State of CA at large, that defying laws that govern all 50 states is now "just an option, open to individual whim". That's a very dangerous fire to allow to smoulder and spark in the dry tinder of a country with social unrest.

You can say you like pot or illegal aliens filling the jobs in your state while you and your family wonder why you're standard of living plummets. Maybe CA citizens are smoking so much pot that they're having trouble putting 2 + 2 together? But you know, other rogue and cliquey states might like slavery to come back too. Or segregation. Or child trafficking? When you defy federal laws under the umbrella of "it's popular now so **** DC (The rest of the Union)", you set up a precedent and an example by which defiance of federal law becomes vogue.

Indeed, for that matter, under that rationale, defying STATE laws can become vogue too. After all, if the Mayor of Oakland says "go ahead and defy federal law as you like!", what she's also saying is "go ahead and defy ANY law as you like". If brought up on charges, any defendant could cite that since a mayor of a town feels defiance of the most dominant laws of our land is perfectly legitimate, and remains unprosecuted herself for interfering with a federal investigation, costing millions of $ in US taxpayer man hours, processing and so forth, then said defendant could just claim the same immunity from following any state law s/he doesn't like.

My point being that enough is enough. It's time for USAG Sessions to give rogue states a crash course in American Government 101 and why all 50 states are equal in regulating the Union's binding laws, from their inception and adoption to their dissolution. If CA wants illegals to have amnesty just cuz, then they petition all other 49 states to get on board or no-go. And same with all other federal laws.

This Union is coming apart and you may feel ambivalent about illegals or pot or whatever else defiance is going on. But without a 50-State Union intact and potent as the FFs designed, you will be very upset when that precedent pushes forward a type of defiance that you definitely don't like.

The Fed Govt has overstepped its authority on 1000s of issues and it is time the states started standing up to the bullies in DC

The Constitution clearly lays out what the Fed Govt is responsible for, everything else is left to the states.

And by bullies, do you mean the other 49 states other than yours?

No, I mean the Fed Govt and how it goes well beyond the power given to it by the Constitution.

Well then you take away that power by convincing the other 49 states to do just that. You understand why it's important for states to not turn their backs on other states, right?

Nobody is turning their back on anyone else. Telling the Fed Govt to **** off when they overstep their bounds is good for everyone as it keeps them from doing it again.

Since your OP brought up marijuana, please list the part of the constitution that gives the Fed Govt the right to make it illegal.

 

[dudmuck]

OK, I can go into all the various rogue states currently violating federal laws. But you know who they are and what they're up to. And maybe in their defense, their lawmakers, be it voters or their legislature or both, failed US Gov. 101 in high school. Or barely passed or whatever.

So I'll give a brief here on how it works. You see, long ago our Founding Fathers intuited that states can get weird. And by weird, I mean seditious and cliquey and rogue. So they set up Congress to have each state have their most powerful representatives (Senators) in DC at 2 apiece. That means that even tiny populated or small or weak states would have the same power of voice in the US Senate.

And boy has California demonstrated just why that is a very good idea. Oakland Mayor Should Face Federal Charges

By acting in an Office of authority, the Oakland Mayor has stood up as an example to her constituents, and the State of CA at large, that defying laws that govern all 50 states is now "just an option, open to individual whim". That's a very dangerous fire to allow to smoulder and spark in the dry tinder of a country with social unrest.

You can say you like pot or illegal aliens filling the jobs in your state while you and your family wonder why you're standard of living plummets. Maybe CA citizens are smoking so much pot that they're having trouble putting 2 + 2 together? But you know, other rogue and cliquey states might like slavery to come back too. Or segregation. Or child trafficking? When you defy federal laws under the umbrella of "it's popular now so **** DC (The rest of the Union)", you set up a precedent and an example by which defiance of federal law becomes vogue.

Indeed, for that matter, under that rationale, defying STATE laws can become vogue too. After all, if the Mayor of Oakland says "go ahead and defy federal law as you like!", what she's also saying is "go ahead and defy ANY law as you like". If brought up on charges, any defendant could cite that since a mayor of a town feels defiance of the most dominant laws of our land is perfectly legitimate, and remains unprosecuted herself for interfering with a federal investigation, costing millions of $ in US taxpayer man hours, processing and so forth, then said defendant could just claim the same immunity from following any state law s/he doesn't like.

My point being that enough is enough. It's time for USAG Sessions to give rogue states a crash course in American Government 101 and why all 50 states are equal in regulating the Union's binding laws, from their inception and adoption to their dissolution. If CA wants illegals to have amnesty just cuz, then they petition all other 49 states to get on board or no-go. And same with all other federal laws.

This Union is coming apart and you may feel ambivalent about illegals or pot or whatever else defiance is going on. But without a 50-State Union intact and potent as the FFs designed, you will be very upset when that precedent pushes forward a type of defiance that you definitely don't like.

Did you forget about the 10th amendment?

Remember back when conservatives rally around 10th amendment. Ron Paul still maintains his ideology, the rest of you are flip-floppers.

Perhaps we need something like this today?

 

[Silhouette]

^^GolfingGator

The part where it says that federal statutes are drawn up or dissolved by the US Congress. And in that Senate, each of the 50 States has an equal voice. You can't bind & gag any of the 50 states completely out of that legislative conversation.

The document of authority cited is the US Constitution & the division & share of powers that form a union of the 50 states. If you weren't stoned in high school, you may recall some fuzzy memories of our mean old federal government actually being a collective of 50 equal-voiced states.

 

[Silhouette]

Did you forget about the 10th amendment?

Remember back when conservatives rally around 10th amendment. Ron Paul still maintains his ideology, the rest of you are flip-floppers.

Perhaps we need something like this today?

Again, this thread isn't partisan. Neither party should be able to circumvent how federal laws are passed, enforced or dissolved.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

^^GolfingGator

The part where it says that federal statutes are drawn up or dissolved by the US Congress. And in that Senate, each of the 50 States has an equal voice. You can't bind & gag any of the 50 states completely out of that legislative conversation.

The document of authority cited is the US Constitution & the division & share of powers that form a union of the 50 states. If you weren't stoned in high school, you may recall some fuzzy memories of our mean old federal government actually being a collective of 50 equal-voiced states.

The Constitution gives a very limited list of things the Fed Govt is responsible for. Anything not on that list is the domain of the state, according to the Constitution. Perhaps you somehow missed the 10th Amendment

Those in the Fed Congress have no right or authority to make any laws dealing with them.




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[Silhouette]

The Constitution gives a very limited list of things the Fed Govt is responsible for. Anything not on that list is the domain of the state, according to the Constitution. Perhaps you somehow missed the 10th Amendment

Those in the Fed Congress have no right or authority to make any laws dealing with them.

Unless the US Congress legislative representatives of the 50-state collective decide otherwise. This is how the federal legislature works. Otherwise we'd eliminate Congress altogether and just have a Judicial Branch only interpreting the Constitution and no room at all to grow with the times. The FFs crafted the Constitution and the powers of the Union to keep up with the times, and to balance power as they did. A few rogue states DO NOT get to dictate to the rest of the Union, without a voice "how it's gonna be!" when it comes to laws properly enacted that govern the entire US.

If you don't like federal laws, petition the 50 states to change them.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The Constitution gives a very limited list of things the Fed Govt is responsible for. Anything not on that list is the domain of the state, according to the Constitution. Perhaps you somehow missed the 10th Amendment

Those in the Fed Congress have no right or authority to make any laws dealing with them.

Unless the US Congress legislative representatives of the 50-state collective decide otherwise. This is how the federal legislature works. Otherwise we'd eliminate Congress altogether and just have a Judicial Branch only interpreting the Constitution and no room at all to grow with the times. The FFs crafted the Constitution and the powers of the Union to keep up with the times, and to balance power as they did. A few rogue states DO NOT get to dictate to the rest of the Union, without a voice "how it's gonna be!" when it comes to laws properly enacted that govern the entire US.

If you don't like federal laws, petition the 50 states to change them.

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the US Congress to pass laws on anything not listed in the Constitution.

You are very mistaken about the intentions of the FF. Since the days of the founding the Fed Govt has been encroaching on the domain of the states and communist like yourself are the reason it is allowed to happen.


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[Silhouette]

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the US Congress to pass laws on anything not listed in the Constitution.

Then why did they create the federal legislative branch called "Congress"? To knit and play checkers at 6 figures a year salary?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the US Congress to pass laws on anything not listed in the Constitution.

Then why did they create the federal legislative branch called "Congress"? To knit and play checkers at 6 figures a year salary?

To deal with Federal matters. ****, how is that confusing for you?


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[Harpy Eagle]

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the US Congress to pass laws on anything not listed in the Constitution.

Then why did they create the federal legislative branch called "Congress"? To knit and play checkers at 6 figures a year salary?

What is the point of the 10th Amendment if the Fed Congress can pass laws controlling everything a state does?

What is even the point of having states of they have no control within their own borders?


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[JakeStarkey]

The Constitution is very clear that federal law takes precedence over state law.

The document counts as how it is interpreted by case law and SCOTUS, not by what the far right or the FF think or thought.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The Constitution gives a very limited list of things the Fed Govt is responsible for. Anything not on that list is the domain of the state, according to the Constitution. Perhaps you somehow missed the 10th Amendment

Those in the Fed Congress have no right or authority to make any laws dealing with them.

Unless the US Congress legislative representatives of the 50-state collective decide otherwise. This is how the federal legislature works. Otherwise we'd eliminate Congress altogether and just have a Judicial Branch only interpreting the Constitution and no room at all to grow with the times. The FFs crafted the Constitution and the powers of the Union to keep up with the times, and to balance power as they did. A few rogue states DO NOT get to dictate to the rest of the Union, without a voice "how it's gonna be!" when it comes to laws properly enacted that govern the entire US.

If you don't like federal laws, petition the 50 states to change them.

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the US Congress to pass laws on anything not listed in the Constitution.

You are very mistaken about the intentions of the FF. Since the days of the founding the Fed Govt has been encroaching on the domain of the states and communist like yourself are the reason it is allowed to happen.


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Ignorant nonsense.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

OK, I can go into all the various rogue states currently violating federal laws. But you know who they are and what they're up to. And maybe in their defense, their lawmakers, be it voters or their legislature or both, failed US Gov. 101 in high school. Or barely passed or whatever.

So I'll give a brief here on how it works. You see, long ago our Founding Fathers intuited that states can get weird. And by weird, I mean seditious and cliquey and rogue. So they set up Congress to have each state have their most powerful representatives (Senators) in DC at 2 apiece. That means that even tiny populated or small or weak states would have the same power of voice in the US Senate.

And boy has California demonstrated just why that is a very good idea. Oakland Mayor Should Face Federal Charges

By acting in an Office of authority, the Oakland Mayor has stood up as an example to her constituents, and the State of CA at large, that defying laws that govern all 50 states is now "just an option, open to individual whim". That's a very dangerous fire to allow to smoulder and spark in the dry tinder of a country with social unrest.

You can say you like pot or illegal aliens filling the jobs in your state while you and your family wonder why you're standard of living plummets. Maybe CA citizens are smoking so much pot that they're having trouble putting 2 + 2 together? But you know, other rogue and cliquey states might like slavery to come back too. Or segregation. Or child trafficking? When you defy federal laws under the umbrella of "it's popular now so **** DC (The rest of the Union)", you set up a precedent and an example by which defiance of federal law becomes vogue.

Indeed, for that matter, under that rationale, defying STATE laws can become vogue too. After all, if the Mayor of Oakland says "go ahead and defy federal law as you like!", what she's also saying is "go ahead and defy ANY law as you like". If brought up on charges, any defendant could cite that since a mayor of a town feels defiance of the most dominant laws of our land is perfectly legitimate, and remains unprosecuted herself for interfering with a federal investigation, costing millions of $ in US taxpayer man hours, processing and so forth, then said defendant could just claim the same immunity from following any state law s/he doesn't like.

My point being that enough is enough. It's time for USAG Sessions to give rogue states a crash course in American Government 101 and why all 50 states are equal in regulating the Union's binding laws, from their inception and adoption to their dissolution. If CA wants illegals to have amnesty just cuz, then they petition all other 49 states to get on board or no-go. And same with all other federal laws.

This Union is coming apart and you may feel ambivalent about illegals or pot or whatever else defiance is going on. But without a 50-State Union intact and potent as the FFs designed, you will be very upset when that precedent pushes forward a type of defiance that you definitely don't like.

The Fed Govt has overstepped its authority on 1000s of issues and it is time the states started standing up to the bullies in DC

The Constitution clearly lays out what the Fed Govt is responsible for, everything else is left to the states.

And by bullies, do you mean the other 49 states other than yours?

No, I mean the Fed Govt and how it goes well beyond the power given to it by the Constitution.

Well then you take away that power by convincing the other 49 states to do just that. You understand why it's important for states to not turn their backs on other states, right?

Nobody is turning their back on anyone else. Telling the Fed Govt to **** off when they overstep their bounds is good for everyone as it keeps them from doing it again.

Since your OP brought up marijuana, please list the part of the constitution that gives the Fed Govt the right to make it illegal.

It can be found here in the Constitution:

Gonzales v. Raich (previously Ashcroft v. Raich), 545 U.S. 1 (2005).

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The Constitution is very clear that federal law takes precedence over state law.

The document counts as how it is interpreted by case law and SCOTUS, not by what the far right or the FF think or thought.

Yes, Fed law trumps state laws in all matters given to the Fed Govt by the constitution.

In all other matters the state trumps the Fed, according to the 10th amendment


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[Harpy Eagle]

The Fed Govt has overstepped its authority on 1000s of issues and it is time the states started standing up to the bullies in DC

The Constitution clearly lays out what the Fed Govt is responsible for, everything else is left to the states.

And by bullies, do you mean the other 49 states other than yours?

No, I mean the Fed Govt and how it goes well beyond the power given to it by the Constitution.

Well then you take away that power by convincing the other 49 states to do just that. You understand why it's important for states to not turn their backs on other states, right?

Nobody is turning their back on anyone else. Telling the Fed Govt to **** off when they overstep their bounds is good for everyone as it keeps them from doing it again.

Since your OP brought up marijuana, please list the part of the constitution that gives the Fed Govt the right to make it illegal.

It can be found here in the Constitution:

Gonzales v. Raich (previously Ashcroft v. Raich), 545 U.S. 1 (2005).

That is the SCOTUS giving the power to the Feds. It is total bullshit. There is no way the commerce clause can deal with something a guy grows in his backyard


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[C_Clayton_Jones]

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the US Congress to pass laws on anything not listed in the Constitution.

Then why did they create the federal legislative branch called "Congress"? To knit and play checkers at 6 figures a year salary?

What is the point of the 10th Amendment if the Fed Congress can pass laws controlling everything a state does?

What is even the point of having states of they have no control within their own borders?


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The states can't be compelled to use state resources to enforce Federal law.

The states alone write elections law.

The states alone determine Congressional districts, county boundaries, and the location of the state capitol.

The states alone write and enforce contract law and the licensing of professional occupations.

Just to note a few examples.

 

[Silhouette]

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the US Congress to pass laws on anything not listed in the Constitution.

Then why did they create the federal legislative branch called "Congress"? To knit and play checkers at 6 figures a year salary?

To deal with Federal matters. ****, how is that confusing for you?

Guess what federal matters they deal with genius? LEGISLATING. Know what that is? It's proposing, voting on and passing new (or dissolving old) federal laws that apply to all 50 states; not just a few..

 

[BlindBoo]

they're tired of the Union and the way it functions as set up in the US Constitution

Why did it take a Constitutional Amendment to make alcohol prohibition the law of the land? How did the Feds avoid having to pass an Amendment to make the current drug-war fascist laws the law of the land?

Everyone knows the Feds can enforce their laws in the States. But will they?

 

[Silhouette]

Everyone knows the Feds can enforce their laws in the States. But will they?

That's the question of this thread, isn't it?