Serious Question

If you light the match and a fire gets out of hand, you are held responsible, especially if you exercise no control to keep it contained where and how you want it.

If you light a match and start a fire, it was your match that did it. If you tell a friend it would be nice to have a match and have a fire, and your friend starts a fire, it's on him when it gets out of control.
 
Release the Kraken! Made for great humor and got laughhed out of courts. The funniest part was the “secret military intelligence expert”, Spider, who admitted that calling him an expert was misleading. BTW, are contributing to Sidney’s defense fund.

you have to believe if Senate rules for the impeachment trial call for secret ballots, Ted is gonna vote to convict to clear the way for his own Senate run, all the while claiming no. Nobody will be the wiser.

But people can always suspect. That's besides the fact if they get 2/3 and impeach Trump, they know their party is toast. Trump will start the Patriot Party which will cause tens of millions to leave the GOP, and that means the Republican party will never have leadership in anything again. Do you really think they would do something that stupid?
 
What they did instead is have a recount, by the same people that did the original count. Well duh. If voters suspect something was amiss with the original count, why would they be any more satisfied with the same people doing the recount or investigation into their potential claims?
Most states conducted post election audits which are part of the public record. Voting software is all open source code and was inspected before and after the elections by the states, the DOJ, the CISC, and the DHS. Both parties looked at the code. An indecent organization also looks at all open source voting software. And open source code can’t have any hidden code since you can compare the size of the code you SEE with the size of the file on the computer, right down to the last byte.

Law suits were rejected because they lacked specific allegations lacked any evidence or even lacked standing to bring suit.

You might not want to hang your hat on Colonel Waldron. He claimed that North Muskegon precinct had a 781% turnout, when the actual turnout was 82%. He claimed that one of Muskegon County’s precincts had a turnout of 205% when the highest turnout in any of those precincts was 83%. BTW, he had a chance to testify right beside Rudy Giuliani and Melissa Carone.
 
Not likely they will go against precedents set by them for lessor individuals unless intending the president is beyond all control. If that is the case, he really could have shot people on 5th avenues. afterall he was president and it would fit with your theory of being above the law.

The President is not an appointee, he was voted for by the people. A presidential impeachment is unique and like no other. There is nothing in the Constitution about it because the founders probably assumed people would always have some integrity. They couldn't see what future power hungry Democrats would be like.
The probably assumed future presidents would be people of some integrity. Watch closely. Feel free to submit an amicus brief if you like. But the impeachment trial will go forward.
 
The German Reich was far right wing. Why are you invoking them?

The German Reich was like the democrats today. collectivist totalitarian.

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The Federalist Society points out that if you can’t try an out of office president, it would be possible for a President facing conviction to resign from office one minute before the Senate vote to avoid being barred from running. Not sure that’s what was intended again.

BTW, there are a lot of Republicans who want to weaken Trump too

The "crime" that the last legitimate president of the Republic committed was to upset the apple cart, to derail the gravy train. He interfered with the kickback scheme which saw the entrenched swamp rats use their children as mules, bagmen, to accept the bribes and kickbacks from foreign entanglements.

Remember, that in the Burisma corruption it wasn't JUST Quid Pro taking bribes, Paul Pelosi Jr. was on the Burisma payroll as well, as was Chris Heinz and Porter McConnell. Cocaine Mitch had his grubby paw in the cookie jar right along the corrupt scum democrats.

What you of the Reich seek to prove is that any resistance to the Oligarchy will be met with extreme measures, and no one, NO ONE, can stand up to the Reich.
 
Most states conducted post election audits which are part of the public record. Voting software is all open source code and was inspected before and after the elections by the states, the DOJ, the CISC, and the DHS. Both parties looked at the code. An indecent organization also looks at all open source voting software. And open source code can’t have any hidden code since you can compare the size of the code you SEE with the size of the file on the computer, right down to the last byte.

Law suits were rejected because they lacked specific allegations lacked any evidence or even lacked standing to bring suit.

You might not want to hang your hat on Colonel Waldron. He claimed that North Muskegon precinct had a 781% turnout, when the actual turnout was 82%. He claimed that one of Muskegon County’s precincts had a turnout of 205% when the highest turnout in any of those precincts was 83%. BTW, he had a chance to testify right beside Rudy Giuliani and Melissa Carone.

Utter fucking bullshit.
 
Where does the Senate get the jurisdiction to put a private citizen on trial? From what I can find only the Article 3 courts have that authority.

Your thoughts?

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Is Trump still receiving benefits from his time as president?

Then:

" Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. "

The Constitution does not require a person to be holding office to be impeached. Since Trump is still receiving benefits now and into the future and can run for office again impeachment is the sole political solution to the allegations against him.
 
Where does the Senate get the jurisdiction to put a private citizen on trial? From what I can find only the Article 3 courts have that authority.

Your thoughts?

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Can you imagine the carnage at the Capitol building if the Senate tried a stunt like that?

Patriots are pissed enough over a stolen election.

Let me correct that for you:

Patriots Trump Traitors are pissed enough going to prison over a being stupid enough to believe Trump's lies about a stolen election.

You're welcome.
How're you gonna look in a pink jumpsuit?
 
Where does the Senate get the jurisdiction to put a private citizen on trial? From what I can find only the Article 3 courts have that authority.

Your thoughts?

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Your argument presumes that there should be no accountability of the actions of a President simply because of time.

Aren't you guys supposed to be the law and order party?
 
Where does the Senate get the jurisdiction to put a private citizen on trial? From what I can find only the Article 3 courts have that authority.

Your thoughts?

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Is Trump still receiving benefits from his time as president?

Then:

" Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. "

The Constitution does not require a person to be holding office to be impeached. Since Trump is still receiving benefits now and into the future and can run for office again impeachment is the sole political solution to the allegations against him.


Go back and read post 14, the Constitution does require people to be holding office to be impeached. Once a person leaves office there are no "political solutions" available. The Constitution only give congress the jurisdiction to impeach current office holders.

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Where does the Senate get the jurisdiction to put a private citizen on trial? From what I can find only the Article 3 courts have that authority.

Your thoughts?

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Your argument presumes that there should be no accountability of the actions of a President simply because of time.

Aren't you guys supposed to be the law and order party?


If laws were truly broken, there are laws to hold a person accountable after they leave office. In your ignorance you are assuming the two are mutually exclusive, they're not.

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Is Trump still receiving benefits from his time as president?

Then:

" Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. "

The Constitution does not require a person to be holding office to be impeached. Since Trump is still receiving benefits now and into the future and can run for office again impeachment is the sole political solution to the allegations against him.
That's an interesting argument.

Regarding "Is Trump still receiving benefits from his time as president?"...

"Besides a pension and office-related funds, former presidents get lifelong Secret Service protection for themselves, their spouses, and their children under 16."

Former presidents also get fund for travel....


COTUS says "Trust or Profit." I would hope that the Secret Service protection would not qualify for either of those.

All of this unity from the now all-powerful Democrats is really overwhelming.
 
A recent Congressional Research Service report for federal lawmakers and their staffs concluded that while the Constitution’s text is “open to debate,” it appears most scholars agree that a president can be impeached after leaving office. One argument is that state constitutions that predate the U.S. Constitution allowed impeachment after officials left office. The Constitution’s drafters also did not specifically bar the practice.


but the practical reason for completing the impeachment is to set precedent, so no future president can indict insurrection.
 
Where does the Senate get the jurisdiction to put a private citizen on trial? From what I can find only the Article 3 courts have that authority.

Your thoughts?

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Is Trump still receiving benefits from his time as president?

Then:

" Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. "

The Constitution does not require a person to be holding office to be impeached. Since Trump is still receiving benefits now and into the future and can run for office again impeachment is the sole political solution to the allegations against him.


Go back and read post 14, the Constitution does require people to be holding office to be impeached. Once a person leaves office there are no "political solutions" available. The Constitution only give congress the jurisdiction to impeach current office holders.

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As pointed out before, the Constitution does not require that.

He‘s been impeached and the Senate has the sole power to try ALL impeachments. What part of the word ”all” don’t you understand. Cuz it’s really pretty simple.
Where does the Senate get the jurisdiction to put a private citizen on trial? From what I can find only the Article 3 courts have that authority.

Your thoughts?

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Is Trump still receiving benefits from his time as president?

Then:

" Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. "

The Constitution does not require a person to be holding office to be impeached. Since Trump is still receiving benefits now and into the future and can run for office again impeachment is the sole political solution to the allegations against him.


Go back and read post 14, the Constitution does require people to be holding office to be impeached. Once a person leaves office there are no "political solutions" available. The Constitution only give congress the jurisdiction to impeach current office holders.

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Article 2 isn’t the only mention of impeachment. Disqualification is mentioned elsewhere. And there’s always that thing that the Senate has the power to try ALL impeachments. References it impeachment occur in multiple parts of the Constitution, not just the part that you mistakenly think is exclusionary.

Repeat after me a-l-l spells all.
 
Is Trump still receiving benefits from his time as president?

Then:

" Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. "

The Constitution does not require a person to be holding office to be impeached. Since Trump is still receiving benefits now and into the future and can run for office again impeachment is the sole political solution to the allegations against him.
That's an interesting argument.

Regarding "Is Trump still receiving benefits from his time as president?"...

"Besides a pension and office-related funds, former presidents get lifelong Secret Service protection for themselves, their spouses, and their children under 16."

Former presidents also get fund for travel....


COTUS says "Trust or Profit." I would hope that the Secret Service protection would not qualify for either of those.

All of this unity from the now all-powerful Democrats is really overwhelming.


Actually the Constitution says "Office of Honor, Trust or Profit", a former president already holds no office.

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