Without tariffs can the U.S afford to permanently help Ukraine, protect Taiwan?

[JohnDB]

China has an Army of 2 million and a powerful Navy
Taiwan has an Army of 200,000 and a tiny Navy
It is obvious that China will win easily

But Taiwan is an Island a hundred miles away. China cannot land 2 million troops at once. Maybe 10,000 at a time who will face 200,000 troops, tanks, artillery
The Navy will face Subs, anti ship missiles, mines, drones, air attacks……

China has never fought a modern war and never launched an amphibious invasion

The other part you didn't mention is the mountains vx the beach heads.

The beaches are wide and broad and the mountains quite a distance away. The mountains contain all types and sorts of artillery. Those first ten thousand won't live long enough to meet the next 10,000 coming in behind them.
It's a suicide run to try and land on Taiwan uninvited. There's only two sea ports for that island. (Maybe three, it's been a minute since I looked)

Warships need deeper water....so they can fire their artillery for a landing. But the mountains are too far away from the deeper water to have accurate fire. Too many cave systems, mountain roads, and cover for warship fire to be accurate at that distance. (Waves and wind also being a factor)

Ultimately, yes....CCP can take the Island through embargoes and cutting off all supplies. But it would be so expensive that puhrric victories make it pointless. That's not what China wants. It wants cash.

And the Taiwanese are determined not to let them have it.

 

[shockedcanadian]

The identify with him because subconsciously, they know he's a loser, like them. And if a loser like Trump can become the most powerful man in the world, there's hope for them.


Your understanding of international trade and how it works is about as reliable as your posts on life in the "police state" of Canada.

China isn't using slave labour in any appreciable numbers because they have a population of over 300 million people - all of whom need jobs and incomes in order to survive. Those people get first crack at the jobs because without a steady source of income and food, it's impossible to subdue a population - even in a dictatorship.

Global consensus is that there are approximately 4.5 million slaves in China, out of a total work force of more than 734. million people. So for you to suggest that ALL Chinese goods are being produced by slave labour indicates your complete ignorance on the topic.

https://cdn.walkfree.org/content/uploads/2023/09/27162417/GSI-Snapshot-China.pdf

As someone who actually worked for international trade lawyers when communism fell I KNOW that everything that gets imported, has to pass federal inspections and/or regulations BEFORE it can enter the country, because it was my job to get the samples and submit them to the government before the ship left the port.

You think Communism fell? You clearly know little about China. You sound like a typical government employee in Canada.

The FBI and CIA know very well how Canada operates and what system our kakistocracy have in place.

Doug Ford predicted that U.S tariffs would cost 500k jobs. I suspect if Canada doesn't open up our doors to market access in financial, dairy and other critical industries that Trump may just let the USMCA deal sunset at the end of 2026.

I've blown the whistle in great detail. I will be homeless soon thanks to the devils in this country. As I said, my house will be the most expensive in Canadian history...

Stay nice and warm in your comfortable existence at the abuse of others, my life was stolen at birth, G-d and the truth will guide me.

One of my favourite scenes in one of my favourite movies expresses my principles and my opinion of my detractors:

 

[rightwinger]

The other part you didn't mention is the mountains vx the beach heads.

The beaches are wide and broad and the mountains quite a distance away. The mountains contain all types and sorts of artillery. Those first ten thousand won't live long enough to meet the next 10,000 coming in behind them.
It's a suicide run to try and land on Taiwan uninvited. There's only two sea ports for that island. (Maybe three, it's been a minute since I looked)

Warships need deeper water....so they can fire their artillery for a landing. But the mountains are too far away from the deeper water to have accurate fire. Too many cave systems, mountain roads, and cover for warship fire to be accurate at that distance. (Waves and wind also being a factor)

Ultimately, yes....CCP can take the Island through embargoes and cutting off all supplies. But it would be so expensive that puhrric victories make it pointless. That's not what China wants. It wants cash.

And the Taiwanese are determined not to let them have it.

Taiwan has been preparing for an invasion for 75 years. Those beachheads will be difficult to take and the mountain passes to get off the beaches are well defended.

People look at the size of Chinas military and think they can take Taiwan any time they want.

They also said Russia could take Ukraine in three weeks. Just look at the size of Russias Army, tanks, helicopters, fighter jets.
Russia was incapable of executing a land invasion at their border. How is China going to execute an amphibious invasion ?

 

[d0gbreath]

Chiang Kai-shek is laughing in his grave.

 

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[JohnDB]

Taiwan has been preparing for an invasion for 75 years. Those beachheads will be difficult to take and the mountain passes to get off the beaches are well defended.

People look at the size of Chinas military and think they can take Taiwan any time they want.

They also said Russia could take Ukraine in three weeks. Just look at the size of Russias Army, tanks, helicopters, fighter jets.
Russia was incapable of executing a land invasion at their border. How is China going to execute an amphibious invasion ?

Yeah....
Completely agree.
Eventually China could hold a blockade with pickets surrounding Taiwan and ultimately win....but again it would still be a very expensive war for China. (One they can't afford and hold any sort of defensive campaign after the rest of the world gets finished being upset about being robbed in such a fashion. (And they are still pissed about the Covid-19 Pandemic....there's more to this but that's another story)

Which is one of the major reasons why Trump is pounding NATO nations about keeping up with military expenditures in meaningful ways. They can't fight a war on one front let alone two at the same time. (And today they really need to)

Only Russia or Somolia is willing to do "meat waves" of soldiers. Where one GI takes out hundreds of enemy combatants.
(China has figured out that this really doesn't work)

But realistically we do NOT need Russia to implode. We need them militarily just as much as NATO. And Mexico if they could EVER get their crap together and worry more about being a sovereign nation than being an American sponge grifter nation. (It involves more than just some flag waving)

Which is why I always wonder why we involve ourselves with Palestinians when we haven't solved our Mexican problems.

 

[JoeB131]

No....not over my head. I and the whole world think you are full of stuff best left for a cesspool.

Really, the whole world? Given that one out of five humans is Chinese, it seems that at least 20% would see my point.

Taiwan is the island of exiles who believe in radical ideologies of free market capitalism and Christianity. That's the part you completely dismiss. Taiwan is, according to CCP, a prison island....exiled from the "luxury" of living in a communist society.

It has zero to do with honor or shame or anything else you claim.

Okay, here's your first problem. Taiwan isn't a "Christian" Country. In fact, only about 6% of Taiwan's population practices Christianity.

Taiwan was also a fascist dictatorship until the 1980s.

Now the communists wish to steal the wealth of Taiwan because their corrupt governance has bankrupted the nation...that's the crux of the matter. Yes Taiwan relies upon CCP for minerals like silicon. (CCP is excellent at mining...although some methods are not exactly kind to the working people or land).

CCP has also engaged in slavery, prison labor, and a lot of other practices which essentially enslaves their people. Taiwan does none of this but has become a very wealthy nation. (Christian principles).

Okay, here's your next problem. China's GDP is 18 Trillion and growing by about 5% a year. Taiwan's GDP is only 751 Billion. So only about 5% of Taiwan's.

Hong Kong was once a British territory (given back) But it's people were indifferent to British rule or communist rule. Looking at the UK today and there is little wonder as to the reason for the indifference. But essentially when CCP took control of the banking it raped EVERY BANK of its cash to prop up their junk bond crisis....but it was nowhere near enough.

Okay, let's look at that. The British stole Hong Kong (or the Land it is on) from China during the Opium War. The CCP could have just marched into Hong Kong (The Japanese took it in less than a few weeks) but instead, honored the treaty signed by the Qing Dynasty. And despite all the doomsaying, China has allowed Hong Kong to keep its own system of economics.

Which is why CCP is desperate for Taiwan. But the Taiwanese are staunchly opposed to the confiscation and communist rule. They would rather destroy every penny of infrastructure and industry than let CCP have any benefit. "Scortched Earth" is their military doctrine. Meaning if they cannot fend off a CCP invasion (with assistance).then they will refuse to exist anymore. The whole thing is rigged to blow up. Hence "scorched earth".

They totally believe "Live free or die".

That would be pretty stupid.

The thing is, Taiwan is undergoing a demographic death spiral.

Projections from the National Development Council showed that Taiwan's population will continue to decline from 23.4 million in 2024 to 14.97 million by 2070, with the percentage of elderly projected to increase to 46.5 percent by that year

 

[JoeB131]

The other part you didn't mention is the mountains vx the beach heads.

The beaches are wide and broad and the mountains quite a distance away. The mountains contain all types and sorts of artillery. Those first ten thousand won't live long enough to meet the next 10,000 coming in behind them.
It's a suicide run to try and land on Taiwan uninvited. There's only two sea ports for that island. (Maybe three, it's been a minute since I looked)

Warships need deeper water....so they can fire their artillery for a landing. But the mountains are too far away from the deeper water to have accurate fire. Too many cave systems, mountain roads, and cover for warship fire to be accurate at that distance. (Waves and wind also being a factor)

Ultimately, yes....CCP can take the Island through embargoes and cutting off all supplies. But it would be so expensive that puhrric victories make it pointless. That's not what China wants. It wants cash.

And the Taiwanese are determined not to let them have it.

China has plenty of cash, guy.

Again, the problem Taiwan has is that while they have some rough terrain, it's not impossible. The Philippines have similar topography, yet both the US and Japan were able to invade them.

 

[JohnDB]

China has plenty of cash, guy.

Again, the problem Taiwan has is that while they have some rough terrain, it's not impossible. The Philippines have similar topography, yet both the US and Japan were able to invade them.

The fantasies you create in your head are amazing.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

"Without tariffs"? It's not all-or-nothing.

The problem here is Trump has turned tariffs into a massive ******* mess, going so over-the-top that it has snarled global business planning, damaged supply chains, destroyed critical global alliances and relationships, created severe instability for many American businesses, endangered the dollar as the Reserve Currency, and put American Treasuries -- the single most important security on the planet -- at severe risk.

It is not "Trump's stupid ******* tariffs" or "NO tariffs".

It's not about WHAT he's trying to accomplish. It's about THE WAY he's trying to accomplish it. AS USUAL.

Fer ****'s sake. Why the **** this needs to be so goddamn difficult to understand is a mystery. Or maybe not.

You seem upset. Good.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Well, that's because you are stupid and you let Hate Radio do your thinking for you.

Tariffs are an economic disaster, and will cause a recession, if we aren't in one already.

Why do they work for the EU so well?

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

It is not a tax on importers…..it is passed on to consumers

You don’t create a trade war with the world. You invoke tariffs on targeted rivals and make trade alliances with the rest.

Yet leftards scream raising taxes on businesses doesn’t get passed onto the consumer. Weird.

 

[JoeB131]

The fantasies you create in your head are amazing.

Nope, I just think that when one side has 23 million people and the other side as 1.4 Billion, it's going to be about as one-sided a fight as PeeWee Herman vs. Mike Tyson.

 

[JoeB131]

Why do they work for the EU so well?

The EU is a free trade zone.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

The EU is a free trade zone.

Weak dodge.

 

[apolitical]

cut them off

 

[rightwinger]

Why do they work for the EU so well?

Because the EU is not stupid enough to start a trade war with the rest of the world

 

[frigidweirdo]

One almost has to believe that China is so entrenched in NY and Cali that ANY ruling in these jurisdictions will ensure America does not raise new revenue sources needed to avoid insolvency. Putin would also be advised by Xi to avoid peace since the U.S judicial.will kneecap Trunps America First agend.at every turn, basically ensuring far-left Dems are operating with more power than the voting public wants. Ultimately Europe must now solely fund Ukraine since the U.S cannot, even a tax increase wouldn't address this shortfall. Taiwan would have to face Xhina with less U.S support (much to Chinas excitement). Considering how much debt the U.S has, tariffs is almost certainly going to be necessary for a decade. Even Musk has to understand this as much as he wants to have his cake and eat it too with his China manufacturing. DOGE must be passed by your Senate, if not, what was the point?

Tariffs will just make the US poorer.... so....

 

[shockedcanadian]

Tariffs will just make the US poorer.... so....

How come real income has increased then?

 

[rightwinger]

How come real income has increased then?

Because tariffs were just announced last month