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Separating the Department of Justice

Prof.Lunaphiles

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We have no one appointed in the DOJ that will do anything to enforce the law
Yeah, what are we going to do about it? I am the only person suggesting that the checks and balances do not work, and that we need to reorder the Constitution; and that that will advance to a reliable system of checks and balances. Nobody wants to help me. Everybody believes in a vast bipartisan conspiracy of acquiescence to violate the Constitution, and nobody has any ideas as to how to enforce the almighty United States Constitution.
The checks and balances don't work because they're being ignored with impunity.
That's the vast bipartisan conspiracy of acquiescence. You believe in that theory. I do not. I believe the politicians are in a "hamster cage," or something - the proverbial "box." Although, there are plenty of former prosecutors, the Senators in the committees, most likely, do not have the time to organize a prosecution of department heads. The Department of Justice is supposed to do that, but it gets emasculated by cronyism.
What makes you believe that a rewrite will be followed any better?
You are stuck in the erroneous three-part separation, which does not have a reliable balance of power, nor a sophisticated checks on power; and you cannot imagine a six-part separation of entities.

Notice what Doc wrote:
We have no one appointed in the DOJ that will do anything to enforce the law
What is the explanation for that? Every Attorney General is accused of being a sycophant to the president who nominated them for the office and the party that confirmed them in the Senate - that is because of a lack of separation. That is what happens in a "lack of separation." The check on the president and favored party's power is ignored, and the possibilities are exploited.

We went through this during the Obama Administration - remember??? Remember the IRS targeting conservative groups? Remember Fast and Furious gun sales? Remember Hillary Clinton's Banghazi hearings? President Obama left Office described, "absolutely no scandals - the greatest presidency in the history of the United States!"

And of course, we all know how the liberals cried about the cronies in the DoJ that served Trump. it goes both ways, and I am obviously, the only person who is keen enough to figure that out.

This is the most significant area lacking separation, the Department of Justice, and it is because no one can figure out how to actually make it a separate entity; because the only way to do so will require a complete reordering of the three-level chartering system. And I am the only person keen enough to figure that out.

The Department of Justice cannot be separated by amendment, because the separation of entities and checks on power are "hard-wired" to the order of the articles of the Constitution.

Just about everything else can probably be adjusted by amendment, but the separation of entities cannot be accomplished by amendment - it can only be accomplished by a complete reordering of the charter implementing the format that accommodates the separation.

Do you know when the Department of justice was established - do you understand why it took so long to establish it???

If the brilliant founders had known that there was a need for a Department of Justice, maybe they could have implemented the separation, but I doubt it. There are other areas that need to be separated, as well, to get the checks and balances to what it is supposed to be; and they did not have the information, nor the notation tools to design the constitution for expansion, separation, and checks on power - very complicated shit.
The office of the Attorney General was established by the Judiciary Act of 1789 as a part-time job for one person, but grew with the bureaucracy. At one time, the Attorney General gave legal advice to the U.S. Congress, as well as the President; however, in 1819, the Attorney General began advising Congress alone to ensure a manageable workload. Until March 3, 1853, the salary of the Attorney General was set by statute at less than the amount paid to other Cabinet members. Early attorneys general supplemented their salaries by running private law practices, often arguing cases before the courts as attorneys for paying litigants.

Following unsuccessful efforts in 1830 and 1846 to make attorney general a full-time job, in 1867, the U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary, led by Congressman William Lawrence, conducted an inquiry into the creation of a "law department" headed by the Attorney General and also composed of the various department solicitors and United States attorneys. On February 19, 1868, Lawrence introduced a bill in Congress to create the Department of Justice. President Ulysses S. Grant signed the bill into law on June 22, 1870.

Grant appointed Amos T. Akerman as Attorney General and Benjamin H. Bristow as America's first solicitor general the same week that Congress created the Department of Justice. The Department's immediate function was to preserve civil rights. It set about fighting against domestic terrorist groups who had been using both violence and litigation to oppose the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the Constitution.

The way to separate the Department of Justice is by creating a legislative entity of the states attorneys general to appoint an attorney general and supervise the Department of Justice and subsequent related entities like the Federal Bureau of Instigation.

There are other areas that have to be separated, as well, and they will have specific legislative assemblies for their specific security departments; and this will cause a realignment of political factions - each legislative assembly will have a different set of political factions. It will not be like how the subsisting legislatures share the same political factions.
 
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