Secular scientists keep reducing the age they suppose the earth to be.

[progressive hunter]

what indications are you refereing to???

Granite ... the alluvials westside, tufts eastside ... a few spots of ongoing volcanism ... folded sedimenatries forming the Coast Range ... the transition areas up near Chico ... classic volcanic arc formations ...

cool,,, but arent those just features and how does it explain the formation??

 

[ReinyDays]

cool,,, but arent those just features and how does it explain the formation??

Look it up yourself ...

Volcanic arc - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[progressive hunter]

cool,,, but arent those just features and how does it explain the formation??

Look it up yourself ...

Volcanic arc - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

still doesnt have anything to do with the GC and its erosion,,

 

[ReinyDays]

still doesnt have anything to do with the GC and its erosion,,

The back arc has everything to do with volcanic arcs ... the entire Inter-Mountain West is current or former back arc ... all associated this subducting plates ...

You need to explain your own theory better ... particularly the extent of this mysterious lake that drained ... the Great Basin is much further north ... I get the feeling you've not lived in this area and are unfamiliar with the geology ... where are the extensive ripple beds in the outflow area? ...

 

[progressive hunter]

still doesnt have anything to do with the GC and its erosion,,

The back arc has everything to do with volcanic arcs ... the entire Inter-Mountain West is current or former back arc ... all associated this subducting plates ...

You need to explain your own theory better ... particularly the extent of this mysterious lake that drained ... the Great Basin is much further north ... I get the feeling you've not lived in this area and are unfamiliar with the geology ... where are the extensive ripple beds in the outflow area? ...

maybe you should read my explanation and use real world events then you will see how easily it can happen,,

 

[ReinyDays]

maybe you should read my explanation and use real world events then you will see how easily it can happen,,

Your explanation is thin, vague and doesn't answer the question ... what was the extent of this mysterious lake and what held it in? ... you also said you didn't know how volcanoes come about ... pretty lame ... "pressure" is a fluid dynamic term, you didn't explain which force you're relying on ...

I've provided my theory, with citations ... your turn ... can you form thoughts longer than a single sentence at a time? ...

 

[progressive hunter]

maybe you should read my explanation and use real world events then you will see how easily it can happen,,

Your explanation is thin, vague and doesn't answer the question ... what was the extent of this mysterious lake and what held it in? ... you also said you didn't know how volcanoes come about ... pretty lame ... "pressure" is a fluid dynamic term, you didn't explain which force you're relying on ...

I've provided my theory, with citations ... your turn ... can you form thoughts longer than a single sentence at a time? ...

when did I say I didnt know how volcanos come about?? I recall I did,,

I didnt explain it because I am not talking about them,,

I am talking about the sudden erosion that created the GC,,, and your explanation doesnt make sense against the facts we can see and reproduce,,

 

[TNHarley]

For the Grand Canyon, it was a one gigantic global flood the likes of we've never seen before. It would affect the whole world as a killer flood.

I've only experience man-made flooding. For example, we were suppose to go white water rafting and met someplace in the forest near what appeared to be a dried up creek. The guide said to be there at 10:00 am sharp. If you can picture a large groups of people in flotation vests waiting there with large rafts and paddles in the middle of nowhere, the sight and pictures we took look ridiculous. Suddenly, we heard this rushing gurgling sound and voila we had a class III river. Upstream, they let the dam gates open at this time. The other thing I'll never forget is falling heads over heel at Meatgrinder (the more interesting rapids have names). The raft hit a drop and then an up current so it tossed me overboard (I was sitting in the back). You get disoriented. I had no idea where I was except for being in the river. All I could see were large rocks and found up by following the light. I probably was about 15 - 20 ft down, so I swam up towards it and looking out for large rocks. I felt like I was weightless and not moving. I broke the surface of the water and took a quick breath and then was pulled down again. More disorientation and weightless feeling, but I knew I was moving downstream and at a rapid pace so just tried swimming up towards the light and avoiding rocks. Once I bobbed my head out of the water, I could see the raft was waiting for me further downstream and swam towards it and they pulled me back aboard.

Thus, I think if you're caught in a flood, the rapid current will keep pulling you down and disoriented. You can't fight it, so you'll just have to keep underwater and swim up when you can and hopefully you can catch a breath before it pulls you down again. You could see a large amount of bubbles and that will obscure your vision and add to the disorientation.

If you're traveling 120 mph, then likely you don't stand much of a chance.

I think you can see that floods can cause great destruction and carve out gigantic canyons and gorges in rapid fashion.

I agree that canyons can be formed quickly ... do you agree that canyons can also be formed slowly? ... over hundreds if not thousands of years ...

Both types of canyon have clear and distinct features ... thus we can compare the Channeled Scablands to the outflow areas along the California/Arizona border ... I'm asking you how are these two areas comparable ... do we see the gravel hills, the potholes, the high water marks? ... these features are plentiful in eastern Washington, but seem absent along the lower Colorado ...

I always wondered how the mississippi river hasnt created a canyon when its 30 million yrs older and ten times more water and flows through mud and not rock,,

I have read about this before. Its because of elevation. Also, the MS deposits so much sediment, it keeps it from cutting into the ground. It focuses on going side to side. The Colorado cuts down.

 

[progressive hunter]

For the Grand Canyon, it was a one gigantic global flood the likes of we've never seen before. It would affect the whole world as a killer flood.

I've only experience man-made flooding. For example, we were suppose to go white water rafting and met someplace in the forest near what appeared to be a dried up creek. The guide said to be there at 10:00 am sharp. If you can picture a large groups of people in flotation vests waiting there with large rafts and paddles in the middle of nowhere, the sight and pictures we took look ridiculous. Suddenly, we heard this rushing gurgling sound and voila we had a class III river. Upstream, they let the dam gates open at this time. The other thing I'll never forget is falling heads over heel at Meatgrinder (the more interesting rapids have names). The raft hit a drop and then an up current so it tossed me overboard (I was sitting in the back). You get disoriented. I had no idea where I was except for being in the river. All I could see were large rocks and found up by following the light. I probably was about 15 - 20 ft down, so I swam up towards it and looking out for large rocks. I felt like I was weightless and not moving. I broke the surface of the water and took a quick breath and then was pulled down again. More disorientation and weightless feeling, but I knew I was moving downstream and at a rapid pace so just tried swimming up towards the light and avoiding rocks. Once I bobbed my head out of the water, I could see the raft was waiting for me further downstream and swam towards it and they pulled me back aboard.

Thus, I think if you're caught in a flood, the rapid current will keep pulling you down and disoriented. You can't fight it, so you'll just have to keep underwater and swim up when you can and hopefully you can catch a breath before it pulls you down again. You could see a large amount of bubbles and that will obscure your vision and add to the disorientation.

If you're traveling 120 mph, then likely you don't stand much of a chance.

I think you can see that floods can cause great destruction and carve out gigantic canyons and gorges in rapid fashion.

I agree that canyons can be formed quickly ... do you agree that canyons can also be formed slowly? ... over hundreds if not thousands of years ...

Both types of canyon have clear and distinct features ... thus we can compare the Channeled Scablands to the outflow areas along the California/Arizona border ... I'm asking you how are these two areas comparable ... do we see the gravel hills, the potholes, the high water marks? ... these features are plentiful in eastern Washington, but seem absent along the lower Colorado ...

I always wondered how the mississippi river hasnt created a canyon when its 30 million yrs older and ten times more water and flows through mud and not rock,,

I have read about this before. Its because of elevation. Also, the MS deposits so much sediment, it keeps it from cutting into the ground. It focuses on going side to side. The Colorado cuts down.

seems reasonable,, its just that it 10 times bigger and 30 million yrs older so it has to do some cutting of some sort rather than an equal deposit to erosion,,,

 

[TNHarley]

For the Grand Canyon, it was a one gigantic global flood the likes of we've never seen before. It would affect the whole world as a killer flood.

I've only experience man-made flooding. For example, we were suppose to go white water rafting and met someplace in the forest near what appeared to be a dried up creek. The guide said to be there at 10:00 am sharp. If you can picture a large groups of people in flotation vests waiting there with large rafts and paddles in the middle of nowhere, the sight and pictures we took look ridiculous. Suddenly, we heard this rushing gurgling sound and voila we had a class III river. Upstream, they let the dam gates open at this time. The other thing I'll never forget is falling heads over heel at Meatgrinder (the more interesting rapids have names). The raft hit a drop and then an up current so it tossed me overboard (I was sitting in the back). You get disoriented. I had no idea where I was except for being in the river. All I could see were large rocks and found up by following the light. I probably was about 15 - 20 ft down, so I swam up towards it and looking out for large rocks. I felt like I was weightless and not moving. I broke the surface of the water and took a quick breath and then was pulled down again. More disorientation and weightless feeling, but I knew I was moving downstream and at a rapid pace so just tried swimming up towards the light and avoiding rocks. Once I bobbed my head out of the water, I could see the raft was waiting for me further downstream and swam towards it and they pulled me back aboard.

Thus, I think if you're caught in a flood, the rapid current will keep pulling you down and disoriented. You can't fight it, so you'll just have to keep underwater and swim up when you can and hopefully you can catch a breath before it pulls you down again. You could see a large amount of bubbles and that will obscure your vision and add to the disorientation.

If you're traveling 120 mph, then likely you don't stand much of a chance.

I think you can see that floods can cause great destruction and carve out gigantic canyons and gorges in rapid fashion.

I agree that canyons can be formed quickly ... do you agree that canyons can also be formed slowly? ... over hundreds if not thousands of years ...

Both types of canyon have clear and distinct features ... thus we can compare the Channeled Scablands to the outflow areas along the California/Arizona border ... I'm asking you how are these two areas comparable ... do we see the gravel hills, the potholes, the high water marks? ... these features are plentiful in eastern Washington, but seem absent along the lower Colorado ...

I always wondered how the mississippi river hasnt created a canyon when its 30 million yrs older and ten times more water and flows through mud and not rock,,

I have read about this before. Its because of elevation. Also, the MS deposits so much sediment, it keeps it from cutting into the ground. It focuses on going side to side. The Colorado cuts down.

seems reasonable,, its just that it 10 times bigger and 30 million yrs older so it has to do some cutting of some sort rather than an equal deposit to erosion,,,

Also, elevation. In Minnesota, where elevation is the steepest on the river, its like 250 or so feet deep. From Minnesota to the gulf, With a HUGE reduction in elevation, it is only around 30 or so feet deep.
IIRC, the elevation drop in Minnesota alone, is more than the total from Minnesota all the way to the Gulf.

 

[ReinyDays]

when did I say I didnt know how volcanos come about?? I recall I did,,
I didnt explain it because I am not talking about them,,
I am talking about the sudden erosion that created the GC,,, and your explanation doesnt make sense against the facts we can see and reproduce,,

You were asked about the extent of this mysterious lake ... and the "facts" as reproduced in eastern Washington ... where are the ripple beds, potholes and erratics? ...

 

[ReinyDays]

Also, elevation. In Minnesota, where elevation is the steepest on the river, its like 250 or so feet deep. From Minnesota to the gulf, With a HUGE reduction in elevation, it is only around 30 or so feet deep.
IIRC, the elevation drop in Minnesota alone, is more than the total from Minnesota all the way to the Gulf.

Here's a interesting factoid ... Minnesota is closer to the Earth's center-of-gravity than New Orleans ... if the Earth wasn't spinning, the Mississippi would flow north ...

 

[progressive hunter]

when did I say I didnt know how volcanos come about?? I recall I did,,
I didnt explain it because I am not talking about them,,
I am talking about the sudden erosion that created the GC,,, and your explanation doesnt make sense against the facts we can see and reproduce,,

You were asked about the extent of this mysterious lake ... and the "facts" as reproduced in eastern Washington ... where are the ripple beds, potholes and erratics? ...

maybe they arent there after 5 million yrs,,,

 

[ReinyDays]

maybe they arent there after 5 million yrs,,,

"Maybe"? ... are you admitting you have no evidence of your claims? ... that's funny ...

 

[progressive hunter]

maybe they arent there after 5 million yrs,,,

"Maybe"? ... are you admitting you have no evidence of your claims? ... that's funny ...

I have the actual canyon as evidence,,, all you have is opinion based on assumptions

 

[ReinyDays]

I have the actual canyon as evidence,,, all you have is opinion based on assumptions

What in the canyon demonstrates a fast formation? ... it is you who assume a vast lake ... again, where are the ripple beds, potholes and erratics that are common in the Scablands? ... that's the evidence you're missing ... without these, we cannot assume a quick formation ...

Let's try to make it a habit to answer with more than one sentence at a time ... your refusal to answer these basic questions means you're wrong ...

 

[progressive hunter]

I have the actual canyon as evidence,,, all you have is opinion based on assumptions

What in the canyon demonstrates a fast formation? ... it is you who assume a vast lake ... again, where are the ripple beds, potholes and erratics that are common in the Scablands? ... that's the evidence you're missing ... without these, we cannot assume a quick formation ...

Let's try to make it a habit to answer with more than one sentence at a time ... your refusal to answer these basic questions means you're wrong ...

its not an assumption when I can reproduce it,, or point to other examples of it happening,,

 

[ReinyDays]

its not an assumption when I can reproduce it,, or point to other examples of it happening,,

Please do ...

 

[alang1216]

OK so its growing,, so is Hawaii,, that doesnt have anything to do with how the GC was formed,,

Wrong again, they are all related. Iceland, Hawaii, and the GC all owe their existence to continental drift.

 

[progressive hunter]

OK so its growing,, so is Hawaii,, that doesnt have anything to do with how the GC was formed,,

Wrong again, they are all related. Iceland, Hawaii, and the GC all owe their existence to continental drift.

if you say so,,, who am I to tell you that continents cant float,,