Secular scientists keep reducing the age they suppose the earth to be.

[ReinyDays]

asked and answered,,

No you didn't ... you gave a dimension ... pressure from what? ... which direction, why is lava a liquid? ... pressure won't do that ...

 

[progressive hunter]

asked and answered,,

No you didn't ... you gave a dimension ... pressure from what? ... which direction, why is lava a liquid? ... pressure won't do that ...

are you saying pressure doesnt cause heat??

 

[ReinyDays]

are you saying pressure doesnt cause heat??

Yeah ... it's called the Law of Conservation of Energy ...

 

[james bond]

So you are you saying that the river cut through loose sediments that later became solid rock?

If that is true, what made them solidify after the river cut the canyon? Why are there no more loose sediments below the topsoil layer?

The river may have cut smaller canyons, but it was the global flood that created the Grand Canyon and Colorado River. Get it now ?

No. Are you saying that the rocks of the canyon were laid down by a single global flood or that the flood cut a chasm into rocks that were already there?

I think there was some kind of plateau there. And then most of the Grand Canyon was cut out by a single global flood. The evidence is no soil erosion between the layers. The latter would be something we would notice if it took long time. What do you think?

 

[james bond]

Continental Drift is a fact.

That's correct. But did you know that the atheist scientists didn't believe in that nor plate tectonics? Creation scientists went by what they found of the Earth. The majority of atheist scientists were adamant that the continents were stationary.

Think of the stuff of pseudoscience that they believe today...

 

[ReinyDays]

I think there was some kind of plateau there. And then most of the Grand Canyon was cut out by a single global flood. The evidence is no soil erosion between the layers. The latter would be something we would notice if it took long time. What do you think?

We have examples of single great floods up here in eastern Washington ... maybe S'Tommy can comment on the land his house is built on ... very distinct ... the sedimentary layers under Lake Lewis are clear ...

Another feature of great floods are the erratics ... rocks from western Montana lying about western Oregon ... up to 23 tons ... do we have any examples of these formations below the Grand Canyon? ...

 

[james bond]

I think there was some kind of plateau there. And then most of the Grand Canyon was cut out by a single global flood. The evidence is no soil erosion between the layers. The latter would be something we would notice if it took long time. What do you think?

We have examples of single great floods up here in eastern Washington ... maybe S'Tommy can comment on the land his house is built on ... very distinct ... the sedimentary layers under Lake Lewis are clear ...

Another feature of great floods are the erratics ... rocks from western Montana lying about western Oregon ... up to 23 tons ... do we have any examples of these formations below the Grand Canyon? ...

Can you explain what you mean by single "great floods." I think you are familiar with what local floods can do as an example because you've gone through it (?). Did people die?

 

[ReinyDays]

Can you explain what you mean by single "great floods." I think you are familiar with what local floods can do as an example because you've gone through it (?). Did people die?

The high water marks in the Columbia Gorge are still obvious ... 800 feet above normal river level ...

Missoula floods - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"U.S. Geological Survey hydrologist Jim O'Connor and Spanish Center of Environmental Studies scientist Gerard Benito have found evidence of at least twenty-five massive floods, the largest discharging about 10 cubic kilometers per hour (2.7 million m³/s, 13 times the Amazon River). Alternate estimates for the peak flow rate of the largest flood include 17 cubic kilometers per hour and range up to 60 cubic kilometers per hour. The maximum flow speed approached 36 meters/second (130 km/h or 80 mph)."

This is what you're proposing for the Grand Canyon? ...

 

[james bond]

Can you explain what you mean by single "great floods." I think you are familiar with what local floods can do as an example because you've gone through it (?). Did people die?

The high water marks in the Columbia Gorge are still obvious ... 800 feet above normal river level ...

Missoula floods - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"U.S. Geological Survey hydrologist Jim O'Connor and Spanish Center of Environmental Studies scientist Gerard Benito have found evidence of at least twenty-five massive floods, the largest discharging about 10 cubic kilometers per hour (2.7 million m³/s, 13 times the Amazon River). Alternate estimates for the peak flow rate of the largest flood include 17 cubic kilometers per hour and range up to 60 cubic kilometers per hour. The maximum flow speed approached 36 meters/second (130 km/h or 80 mph)."

This is what you're proposing for the Grand Canyon? ...

For the Grand Canyon, it was a one gigantic global flood the likes of we've never seen before. It would affect the whole world as a killer flood.

I've only experience man-made flooding. For example, we were suppose to go white water rafting and met someplace in the forest near what appeared to be a dried up creek. The guide said to be there at 10:00 am sharp. If you can picture a large groups of people in flotation vests waiting there with large rafts and paddles in the middle of nowhere, the sight and pictures we took look ridiculous. Suddenly, we heard this rushing gurgling sound and voila we had a class III river. Upstream, they let the dam gates open at this time. The other thing I'll never forget is falling heads over heel at Meatgrinder (the more interesting rapids have names). The raft hit a drop and then an up current so it tossed me overboard (I was sitting in the back). You get disoriented. I had no idea where I was except for being in the river. All I could see were large rocks and found up by following the light. I probably was about 15 - 20 ft down, so I swam up towards it and looking out for large rocks. I felt like I was weightless and not moving. I broke the surface of the water and took a quick breath and then was pulled down again. More disorientation and weightless feeling, but I knew I was moving downstream and at a rapid pace so just tried swimming up towards the light and avoiding rocks. Once I bobbed my head out of the water, I could see the raft was waiting for me further downstream and swam towards it and they pulled me back aboard.

Thus, I think if you're caught in a flood, the rapid current will keep pulling you down and disoriented. You can't fight it, so you'll just have to keep underwater and swim up when you can and hopefully you can catch a breath before it pulls you down again. You could see a large amount of bubbles and that will obscure your vision and add to the disorientation.

If you're traveling 120 mph, then likely you don't stand much of a chance.

I think you can see that floods can cause great destruction and carve out gigantic canyons and gorges in rapid fashion.

 

[alang1216]

hate to break it to you but the continents are not floating islands and cant float around to change their shapes,,,

That is exactly what geologists thought until they uncovered (literally) mountains of evidence to the contrary. You can easily see the evidence for yourself if you open your eyes. I did and I believe my own eyes, do you?

and yet you couldnt post a single grain of sand of that evidence,,,

A few years ago I took a trip to Iceland (great country highly recommend it) and stood with one foot in Europe and one in North America. Not too exciting until you realized that my feet were moving away from each other. Slowly of course (about as fast as your fingernails grow) but it's been going on since man arrived there and for millions of years before. There are rock formations in Europe and North America that were formed at the same time in the same place so they were at one time connected.

thats nice,,

That's evidence. Continental Drift is a fact.

if you say so,,,

You have another explanation for this evidence?

so sorry I cant give you evidence of something that didnt happen,,

Do you deny that Iceland is getting bigger as each half drifts apart? Do you deny that there are the same rocks in Europe and North America or do you have a different explanation for the evidence?

what evidence?? all I see is your opinion,,

It's not my 'opinion' that Iceland is growing, go and measure it yourself. Same with the rock formations.

According to the latest measurements by the Icelandic National Land Survey Iceland is expanding at the rate of 2 cm (0.8 inches) each year as the eastern part of Iceland drifts to the east and the western part drifts to the west.

Identical rocks, of the same type and age, are found on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. Wegener said the rocks had formed side-by-side and that the land had since moved apart. Mountain ranges with the same rock types, structures, and ages are now on opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean.

 

[progressive hunter]

hate to break it to you but the continents are not floating islands and cant float around to change their shapes,,,

That is exactly what geologists thought until they uncovered (literally) mountains of evidence to the contrary. You can easily see the evidence for yourself if you open your eyes. I did and I believe my own eyes, do you?

and yet you couldnt post a single grain of sand of that evidence,,,

A few years ago I took a trip to Iceland (great country highly recommend it) and stood with one foot in Europe and one in North America. Not too exciting until you realized that my feet were moving away from each other. Slowly of course (about as fast as your fingernails grow) but it's been going on since man arrived there and for millions of years before. There are rock formations in Europe and North America that were formed at the same time in the same place so they were at one time connected.

thats nice,,

That's evidence. Continental Drift is a fact.

if you say so,,,

You have another explanation for this evidence?

so sorry I cant give you evidence of something that didnt happen,,

Do you deny that Iceland is getting bigger as each half drifts apart? Do you deny that there are the same rocks in Europe and North America or do you have a different explanation for the evidence?

what evidence?? all I see is your opinion,,

It's not my 'opinion' that Iceland is growing, go and measure it yourself. Same with the rock formations.

According to the latest measurements by the Icelandic National Land Survey Iceland is expanding at the rate of 2 cm (0.8 inches) each year as the eastern part of Iceland drifts to the east and the western part drifts to the west.

Identical rocks, of the same type and age, are found on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. Wegener said the rocks had formed side-by-side and that the land had since moved apart. Mountain ranges with the same rock types, structures, and ages are now on opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean.

OK so its growing,, so is Hawaii,, that doesnt have anything to do with how the GC was formed,,

 

[ReinyDays]

For the Grand Canyon, it was a one gigantic global flood the likes of we've never seen before. It would affect the whole world as a killer flood.

I've only experience man-made flooding. For example, we were suppose to go white water rafting and met someplace in the forest near what appeared to be a dried up creek. The guide said to be there at 10:00 am sharp. If you can picture a large groups of people in flotation vests waiting there with large rafts and paddles in the middle of nowhere, the sight and pictures we took look ridiculous. Suddenly, we heard this rushing gurgling sound and voila we had a class III river. Upstream, they let the dam gates open at this time. The other thing I'll never forget is falling heads over heel at Meatgrinder (the more interesting rapids have names). The raft hit a drop and then an up current so it tossed me overboard (I was sitting in the back). You get disoriented. I had no idea where I was except for being in the river. All I could see were large rocks and found up by following the light. I probably was about 15 - 20 ft down, so I swam up towards it and looking out for large rocks. I felt like I was weightless and not moving. I broke the surface of the water and took a quick breath and then was pulled down again. More disorientation and weightless feeling, but I knew I was moving downstream and at a rapid pace so just tried swimming up towards the light and avoiding rocks. Once I bobbed my head out of the water, I could see the raft was waiting for me further downstream and swam towards it and they pulled me back aboard.

Thus, I think if you're caught in a flood, the rapid current will keep pulling you down and disoriented. You can't fight it, so you'll just have to keep underwater and swim up when you can and hopefully you can catch a breath before it pulls you down again. You could see a large amount of bubbles and that will obscure your vision and add to the disorientation.

If you're traveling 120 mph, then likely you don't stand much of a chance.

I think you can see that floods can cause great destruction and carve out gigantic canyons and gorges in rapid fashion.

I agree that canyons can be formed quickly ... do you agree that canyons can also be formed slowly? ... over hundreds if not thousands of years ...

Both types of canyon have clear and distinct features ... thus we can compare the Channeled Scablands to the outflow areas along the California/Arizona border ... I'm asking you how are these two areas comparable ... do we see the gravel hills, the potholes, the high water marks? ... these features are plentiful in eastern Washington, but seem absent along the lower Colorado ...

 

[ReinyDays]

OK so its growing,, so is Hawaii,, that doesnt have anything to do with how the GC was formed,,

How were the Sierra's formed then? ...

 

[progressive hunter]

For the Grand Canyon, it was a one gigantic global flood the likes of we've never seen before. It would affect the whole world as a killer flood.

I've only experience man-made flooding. For example, we were suppose to go white water rafting and met someplace in the forest near what appeared to be a dried up creek. The guide said to be there at 10:00 am sharp. If you can picture a large groups of people in flotation vests waiting there with large rafts and paddles in the middle of nowhere, the sight and pictures we took look ridiculous. Suddenly, we heard this rushing gurgling sound and voila we had a class III river. Upstream, they let the dam gates open at this time. The other thing I'll never forget is falling heads over heel at Meatgrinder (the more interesting rapids have names). The raft hit a drop and then an up current so it tossed me overboard (I was sitting in the back). You get disoriented. I had no idea where I was except for being in the river. All I could see were large rocks and found up by following the light. I probably was about 15 - 20 ft down, so I swam up towards it and looking out for large rocks. I felt like I was weightless and not moving. I broke the surface of the water and took a quick breath and then was pulled down again. More disorientation and weightless feeling, but I knew I was moving downstream and at a rapid pace so just tried swimming up towards the light and avoiding rocks. Once I bobbed my head out of the water, I could see the raft was waiting for me further downstream and swam towards it and they pulled me back aboard.

Thus, I think if you're caught in a flood, the rapid current will keep pulling you down and disoriented. You can't fight it, so you'll just have to keep underwater and swim up when you can and hopefully you can catch a breath before it pulls you down again. You could see a large amount of bubbles and that will obscure your vision and add to the disorientation.

If you're traveling 120 mph, then likely you don't stand much of a chance.

I think you can see that floods can cause great destruction and carve out gigantic canyons and gorges in rapid fashion.

I agree that canyons can be formed quickly ... do you agree that canyons can also be formed slowly? ... over hundreds if not thousands of years ...

Both types of canyon have clear and distinct features ... thus we can compare the Channeled Scablands to the outflow areas along the California/Arizona border ... I'm asking you how are these two areas comparable ... do we see the gravel hills, the potholes, the high water marks? ... these features are plentiful in eastern Washington, but seem absent along the lower Colorado ...

I always wondered how the mississippi river hasnt created a canyon when its 30 million yrs older and ten times more water and flows through mud and not rock,,

 

[progressive hunter]

OK so its growing,, so is Hawaii,, that doesnt have anything to do with how the GC was formed,,

How were the Sierra's formed then? ...

dont know cause I wasnt there,, were you??

 

[ReinyDays]

dont know cause I wasnt there,, were you??

Oh right ... you were there when the Grand Canyon was formed ... c'mon, man ... it's a simple question, you're theory should answer it fairly easily ...

 

[progressive hunter]

dont know cause I wasnt there,, were you??

Oh right ... you were there when the Grand Canyon was formed ... c'mon, man ... it's a simple question, you're theory should answer it fairly easily ...

the GC is still there with all the indicators as to how it was formed,, so its a pretty easy deduction,,

 

[ReinyDays]

the GC is still there with all the indicators as to how it was formed,, so its a pretty easy deduction,,

The Sierras are still there too ... with all indicators as to how they were formed as well ... what is your deduction for this? ...

 

[progressive hunter]

the GC is still there with all the indicators as to how it was formed,, so its a pretty easy deduction,,

The Sierras are still there too ... with all indicators as to how they were formed as well ... what is your deduction for this? ...

what indications are you refereing to???

 

[ReinyDays]

what indications are you refereing to???

Granite ... the alluvials westside, tufts eastside ... a few spots of ongoing volcanism ... folded sedimenatries forming the Coast Range ... the transition areas up near Chico ... classic volcanic arc formations ...