Sect. Mattis Resignation Letter:

[BWK]

as i tell everyone , illegals are mostly a problem for YOU youngers and kids , grandkids . As i said in an earliers post in this thread , IKE and my parents with their vote for IKE did a good job for me and my Generation BWK .

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What a ridiculously ignorant reply. Illegals were never the problem dumb ass. We were/are. Get it in your head. "Ike" is irrelevant for this debate. Wake the hell up.​

 

[pismoe]

like i said , IKE and his Operation Wetback cleaned up the USA for ME and my Generation from birth through going to work in about 1965 with my good job starting in 1968 or thereabouts BWK .

 

[charwin95]

This is where his idiocy becomes a matter for concern around the world.
When foreign policy is dictated by the need to feed opinion polls back home then the adults leave the room.

The US had 2,000 soldiers in Syria that are being pulled out. Germany has some 1,200 troops presently in Syria. The UK???

The EU has twice the population of the US but can't find 2,000 soldiers to replace the departing US soldiers?

WTF

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You are right.

2,000 US troops is not much but the presence of US troops makes a big difference to that particular area. Turkey or others cannot just stepped in and start the massacre.

 

[BWK]

illegal aliens have been a problem forever and
'reagan and bush' made things worse in 86 BWK . Last President any good on 'illegals' was IKE and that benefitted ME and my Generation but its coming to an end unless Trump fixes things BWK .

Illegal aliens would have never been a problem if it hadn't been for the link I posted. We are the problem, not the illegals. Anyone with a functioning brain who can read my link can see that. Until we give the people their countries back, illegals will continue to be the symptom of a problem, not the problem itself. We must admit that we took their lives from them, and stop blaming them for what we did.

--------------------------------------- not going to happen in my lifetime . Might happen in yours though BWK ,

So thanks! You just admitted we are th

like i said , IKE and his Operation Wetback cleaned up the USA for ME and my Generation from birth though going to work in about 1965 with my good job starting in 1968 or thereabouts BWK .

"Operation wetback" was nothing more than a symptom caused by a problem we made. Take it any way you like. At the end of the day, it was still our manufactured problem. Whether you benefited or not, has nothing to do with the price of Tea in China.

 

[pismoe]

This is where his idiocy becomes a matter for concern around the world.
When foreign policy is dictated by the need to feed opinion polls back home then the adults leave the room.

The US had 2,000 soldiers in Syria that are being pulled out. Germany has some 1,200 troops presently in Syria. The UK???

The EU has twice the population of the US but can't find 2,000 soldiers to replace the departing US soldiers?

WTF

.

You are right.

2,000 US troops is not much but the presence of US troops makes a big difference to that particular area. Turkey or others cannot just stepped in and start the massacre.

----------------------------------- if there are MASSACRES i think it will be 'isis' or 'islamic state' that does the massacres Charwin . Though when and if the 'turks' may go after the 'kurds' Charwin .

 

[BWK]

This is where his idiocy becomes a matter for concern around the world.
When foreign policy is dictated by the need to feed opinion polls back home then the adults leave the room.

The US had 2,000 soldiers in Syria that are being pulled out. Germany has some 1,200 troops presently in Syria. The UK???

The EU has twice the population of the US but can't find 2,000 soldiers to replace the departing US soldiers?

WTF

.

You are right.

2,000 US troops is not much but the presence of US troops makes a big difference to that particular area. Turkey or others cannot just stepped in and start the massacre.

But after that phone call between Trump and Erdogan, the massacre can ensue against the Kurds. Aren't we some stinkers?

 

[xyz]

And this is how a dignified man acts when asked to something that he disagrees with. He resigns.

Doesn't mean he's right and Trump is wrong (and in fact that is irrelevant anyway, Trump is the boss, it just means that compare this to very disgusting actions of a few other high ranking government officials who disagreed with an order given by the President, I'm thinking specifically of that shit stain Sally Yates.

This is how adults handle disagreement. Liberals should take note.

"disgusting actions of a few other high ranking government officials who disagreed with an order given by the President, I'm thinking specifically of that shit stain Sally Yates"

I hope more American Patriots put their job on the line and stand up to orders from a President such as Trump, and put the law and our nation first.

When all is said and done, Ms. Yates may one day earn the medal of freedom, and it is well deserved.

One shit stain defends another. Big surprise

Really incomplete list, interventions started in the 19th century. Interesting link nonetheless.

Interventions are still ongoing today.Because it happened in the nineteenth century, is totally irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant, it's a long historical tradition.

Today's interventions are covert and not direct military interventions like Grenada and Panama. You can compare them, but it would be hard to call them equivalent to an invasion. Plus they occur in other places like Africa, sometimes with even soldiers sent, see Niger.

"Tradition"? Is that what they used to call their invasions of other smaller countries? A "tradition"?

Oh, and here is the best part. You don't even bother to defend these "traditions", lol. You just boast about other "traditions" some place else. Wow, aren't you a piece of work.

Why would I defend it? I didn't say I agree with them.

Because they are not "traditions". Far from it. We supply the weapons and the propaganda for the coup'e, then we reap the benefits. It's the perfect crime of an invasion without our troops. We promise the Oligarchs and the Dictators of these places the world, while we move in and rape the land of its resources and politics, leaving a path of poverty and despair for the people. And as a result, we are faced with a huge refugee problem at the border, while blaming the refugees. Now ain't that a hoot?

I was referring to invading Latin American countries being a tradition. I didn't say a good one, but if it's done repeatedly, it's a tradition. And so are Russian gulags.

 

[pismoe]

looks like Americas new ally of the Saudis and Saudi leader 'MBS' are going to take care of the 'kurds' BWK . --- CHECKMATE – Saudi Crown Prince MbS Sends Replacement Troops To Defend Kurds in Syria… --- that is if the the article is correct BWK .

 

[Baz Ares]

Dear Mr. President:

I have been privileged to serve as our country's 26th Secretary of Defense which has allowed me to serve alongside our men and women of the Department in defense of our citizens and our ideals.

I am proud of the progress that has been made over the past two years on some of the key goals articulated in our National Defense Strategy: putting the Department on a more sound budgetary footing, improving readiness and lethality in our forces, and reforming the Department's business practices for greater performance. Our troops continue to provide the capabilities needed to prevail in conflict and sustain strong U.S. global influence.

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One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies. Like you, I have said from the beginning that the armed forces of the United States should not be the policeman of the world. Instead, we must use all tools of American power to provide for the common defense, including providing effective leadership to our alliances. NATO's 29 democracies demonstrated that strength in their commitment to fighting alongside us following the 9-11 attack on America. The Defeat-ISIS coalition of 74 nations is further proof.


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Similarly, I believe we must be resolute and unambiguous in our approach to those countries whose strategic interests are increasingly in tension with ours. It is clear that China and Russia, for example, want to shape a world consistent with their authoritarian model — gaining veto authority over other nations' economic, diplomatic, and security decisions — to promote their own interests at the expense of their neighbors, America and our allies. That is why we must use all the tools of American power to provide for the common defense.

My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.


ANALYSIS
After U.S. Troops Leave Syria, What Happens Next?
Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position. The end date for my tenure is February 28, 2019, a date that should allow sufficient time for a successor to be nominated and confirmed as well as to make sure the Department's interests are properly articulated and protected at upcoming events to include Congressional posture hearings and the NATO Defense Ministerial meeting in February. Further, that a full transition to a new Secretary of Defense occurs well in advance of the transition of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in September in order to ensure stability within the Department.

I pledge my full effort to a smooth transition that ensures the needs and interests of the 2.15 million Service Members and 732,079 DoD civilians receive undistracted attention of the Department at all times so that they can fulfill their critical, round-the-clock mission to protect the American people.

I very much appreciate this opportunity to serve the nation and our men and women in uniform.

James Mattis

READ: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis' Letter Announcing His Resignation

I would think the house needs to look into this.

Really, This is the way the Great Douche moves, in IT'S Life patterns. It's just a deal. Say Billions in an offshore bank.

 

[Oddball]

America first.......

Not surprised at all the machine is against it

-Geaux

Strange America first. Strengthen Russia, bolster Iran, reinvigorate ISIS, empower Turkey, demoralize our allies, sow chaos in the homeland. All in one day.

This is a strategy only a Russian troll could love.

Thank you, George Dubya Bush.

 

[Oddball]

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Meme of the month!

 

[Oddball]

"One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies."

‘In that single paragraph, which sums up the sentiment of the longer letter, Mattis rejects out of hand Trump's "America First" foreign policy that had led to clashes with a slew of longtime allies -- from Germany to Britain to Australia and back. From Trump's decision to pull out of the Paris climate accord to his recent announcement that the United States would be leaving Syria -- a decision with which Mattis disagreed -- Trump has shown time and time again that he rejects the post-World War II alliance structure that presidents, Republican and Democratic, have relied upon for more than seven decades.’

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/politics/donald-trump-jim-mattis-resignation/index.html

Trump’s rejection of those long-maintained alliances is both reckless and irresponsible.

Rejecting putting your own country first is a pretty good reason to NOT be SecDef.

It's too late in the game to play your games Frank. It's time for all of us to come together and for you to admit Trump is a danger to the world!

Looks like the warmongering neocon scum have moved back to the Democrat Party, where they belong.

 

[Wry Catcher]

"One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies."

‘In that single paragraph, which sums up the sentiment of the longer letter, Mattis rejects out of hand Trump's "America First" foreign policy that had led to clashes with a slew of longtime allies -- from Germany to Britain to Australia and back. From Trump's decision to pull out of the Paris climate accord to his recent announcement that the United States would be leaving Syria -- a decision with which Mattis disagreed -- Trump has shown time and time again that he rejects the post-World War II alliance structure that presidents, Republican and Democratic, have relied upon for more than seven decades.’

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/20/politics/donald-trump-jim-mattis-resignation/index.html

Trump’s rejection of those long-maintained alliances is both reckless and irresponsible.

Rejecting putting your own country first is a pretty good reason to NOT be SecDef.

It's too late in the game to play your games Frank. It's time for all of us to come together and for you to admit Trump is a danger to the world!

Looks like the warmongering neocon scum have moved back to the Democrat Party, where they belong.

Odd dude has become a cliche.

 

[Oddball]

Odd dude has become a cliche.

Piss off, Bushbot.

 

[Decus]

This is where his idiocy becomes a matter for concern around the world.
When foreign policy is dictated by the need to feed opinion polls back home then the adults leave the room.

The US had 2,000 soldiers in Syria that are being pulled out. Germany has some 1,200 troops presently in Syria. The UK???

The EU has twice the population of the US but can't find 2,000 soldiers to replace the departing US soldiers?

WTF

.

Direct your questions to General Mattis.

Too funny. General Mattis decides EU troop deployment? You are a wanker.

Even funnier. The UK is sending 800 British troops to Norway to help defend them from Russian aggression.UK sending 800 troops to Arctic in warning shot to Russia

Hard to believe that the entire EU can't replace 2,000 US soldiers in Syria.

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Which EU army are you referring to you insular fuck ?
There isnt one.

Hey asshole I didn't mention an "EU army". However you ignorant fuck the EU has had a number of common defense policies with the most recent one being the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP). These various policies have helped to send troops from EU member countries into a number of countries abroad that include peace keeping. Now turn off your television and read:

Military and civilian missions and operations - EEAS - European External Action Service - European Commission

"co-operating voluntarily in EU-led operations, Member States must be able, by 2003, to deploy within 60 days and sustain for at least 1 year military forces of, the Union will be able to carry out the full range of the tasks gi up to 50,000-60,000 persons capable of the full range of tasks stated in Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union (TEU)."

EUFOR is a well-known EU military effort that has carried out operations in countries like Chad, Central African Republic, Congo........

And because you mentioned an army, if there is an "EU army" in the future its precursor will have been EUFOR.

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[Tommy Tainant]

This is where his idiocy becomes a matter for concern around the world.
When foreign policy is dictated by the need to feed opinion polls back home then the adults leave the room.

The US had 2,000 soldiers in Syria that are being pulled out. Germany has some 1,200 troops presently in Syria. The UK???

The EU has twice the population of the US but can't find 2,000 soldiers to replace the departing US soldiers?

WTF

.

Direct your questions to General Mattis.

Too funny. General Mattis decides EU troop deployment? You are a wanker.

Even funnier. The UK is sending 800 British troops to Norway to help defend them from Russian aggression.UK sending 800 troops to Arctic in warning shot to Russia

Hard to believe that the entire EU can't replace 2,000 US soldiers in Syria.

.

Which EU army are you referring to you insular fuck ?
There isnt one.

Hey asshole I didn't mention an "EU army". However you ignorant fuck the EU has had a number of common defense policies with the most recent one being the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP). These various policies have helped to send troops from EU member countries into a number of countries abroad that include peace keeping. Now turn off your television and read:

Military and civilian missions and operations - EEAS - European External Action Service - European Commission

"co-operating voluntarily in EU-led operations, Member States must be able, by 2003, to deploy within 60 days and sustain for at least 1 year military forces of, the Union will be able to carry out the full range of the tasks gi up to 50,000-60,000 persons capable of the full range of tasks stated in Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union (TEU)."

EUFOR is a well-known EU military effort that has carried out operations in countries like Chad, Central African Republic, Congo........

And because you mentioned an army, if there is an "EU army" in the future its precursor will have been EUFOR.

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You are thrashing about trying to deflect. From your quote I see the word "voluntarily" leap out as if in neon. Tell me why ,for example, Sweden,Holland,Ireland and Spain should send troops to Syria when they have had no part of it ?

Your misconceptions arise from a fundamental misunderstanding of the EU.
It is not the United States of Europe.
It is 20 odd countries with their own armies and foreign policies,laws and civic structures.

 

[Decus]

The US had 2,000 soldiers in Syria that are being pulled out. Germany has some 1,200 troops presently in Syria. The UK???

The EU has twice the population of the US but can't find 2,000 soldiers to replace the departing US soldiers?

WTF

.

Direct your questions to General Mattis.

Too funny. General Mattis decides EU troop deployment? You are a wanker.

Even funnier. The UK is sending 800 British troops to Norway to help defend them from Russian aggression.UK sending 800 troops to Arctic in warning shot to Russia

Hard to believe that the entire EU can't replace 2,000 US soldiers in Syria.

.

Which EU army are you referring to you insular fuck ?
There isnt one.

Hey asshole I didn't mention an "EU army". However you ignorant fuck the EU has had a number of common defense policies with the most recent one being the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP). These various policies have helped to send troops from EU member countries into a number of countries abroad that include peace keeping. Now turn off your television and read:

Military and civilian missions and operations - EEAS - European External Action Service - European Commission

"co-operating voluntarily in EU-led operations, Member States must be able, by 2003, to deploy within 60 days and sustain for at least 1 year military forces of, the Union will be able to carry out the full range of the tasks gi up to 50,000-60,000 persons capable of the full range of tasks stated in Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union (TEU)."

EUFOR is a well-known EU military effort that has carried out operations in countries like Chad, Central African Republic, Congo........

And because you mentioned an army, if there is an "EU army" in the future its precursor will have been EUFOR.

.

You are thrashing about trying to deflect. From your quote I see the word "voluntarily" leap out as if in neon. Tell me why ,for example, Sweden,Holland,Ireland and Spain should send troops to Syria when they have had no part of it ?

Your misconceptions arise from a fundamental misunderstanding of the EU.
It is not the United States of Europe.
It is 20 odd countries with their own armies and foreign policies,laws and civic structures.

You are funny. Again, you throw out crap and hope it sticks. Don't assume.

You ask why Europe should send troops.

The main reason, top of the list that the UK (in fact only England and Wales) voted to leave the EU is that they want to control their borders.

The reason why many populist parties are rising in much of Europe is in part due to a frustration with the refugee flow from countries like Syria.

EU member countries have an interest in curbing the flow of refugees. The EU needs to show Syrians that they will help to make it safe for refugees to return to Syria and to Syrians that have not yet left that they don't need to leave.

It is true that Obama/Hillary's involvement in African and Middle Eastern affairs made a bad problem even worse. Libya is in total chaos, Syria is at war with itself, Turkey and Saudi Arabia have expressed a desire to arm themselves with nuclear weapons given their suspicion that Iran will have them.

Fair or not Europe needs to stop the flow of refugees or be prepared for political change.

Hillary Clinton: Europe must curb immigration to stop rightwing populists

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[Rustic]

Dear Mr. President:

I have been privileged to serve as our country's 26th Secretary of Defense which has allowed me to serve alongside our men and women of the Department in defense of our citizens and our ideals.

I am proud of the progress that has been made over the past two years on some of the key goals articulated in our National Defense Strategy: putting the Department on a more sound budgetary footing, improving readiness and lethality in our forces, and reforming the Department's business practices for greater performance. Our troops continue to provide the capabilities needed to prevail in conflict and sustain strong U.S. global influence.

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One core belief I have always held is that our strength as a nation is inextricably linked to the strength of our unique and comprehensive system of alliances and partnerships. While the US remains the indispensable nation in the free world, we cannot protect our interests or serve that role effectively without maintaining strong alliances and showing respect to those allies. Like you, I have said from the beginning that the armed forces of the United States should not be the policeman of the world. Instead, we must use all tools of American power to provide for the common defense, including providing effective leadership to our alliances. NATO's 29 democracies demonstrated that strength in their commitment to fighting alongside us following the 9-11 attack on America. The Defeat-ISIS coalition of 74 nations is further proof.


MIDDLE EAST
White House Orders Pentagon To Pull U.S. Troops From Syria
Similarly, I believe we must be resolute and unambiguous in our approach to those countries whose strategic interests are increasingly in tension with ours. It is clear that China and Russia, for example, want to shape a world consistent with their authoritarian model — gaining veto authority over other nations' economic, diplomatic, and security decisions — to promote their own interests at the expense of their neighbors, America and our allies. That is why we must use all the tools of American power to provide for the common defense.

My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances.


ANALYSIS
After U.S. Troops Leave Syria, What Happens Next?
Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position. The end date for my tenure is February 28, 2019, a date that should allow sufficient time for a successor to be nominated and confirmed as well as to make sure the Department's interests are properly articulated and protected at upcoming events to include Congressional posture hearings and the NATO Defense Ministerial meeting in February. Further, that a full transition to a new Secretary of Defense occurs well in advance of the transition of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in September in order to ensure stability within the Department.

I pledge my full effort to a smooth transition that ensures the needs and interests of the 2.15 million Service Members and 732,079 DoD civilians receive undistracted attention of the Department at all times so that they can fulfill their critical, round-the-clock mission to protect the American people.

I very much appreciate this opportunity to serve the nation and our men and women in uniform.

James Mattis

READ: Defense Secretary Jim Mattis' Letter Announcing His Resignation

 

[Rustic]

WTF?! Who is the 'Commander in Chief' actually serving? Russia, Iran, Turkey and Assad are loving this. And the Pentagon is totally blind-sided.

Lol
Don Lemon is a fucking moron... so Shut the fuck up

 

[Rustic]

The US had 2,000 soldiers in Syria that are being pulled out. Germany has some 1,200 troops presently in Syria. The UK???

The EU has twice the population of the US but can't find 2,000 soldiers to replace the departing US soldiers?

WTF

.

Direct your questions to General Mattis.

Too funny. General Mattis decides EU troop deployment? You are a wanker.

Even funnier. The UK is sending 800 British troops to Norway to help defend them from Russian aggression.UK sending 800 troops to Arctic in warning shot to Russia

Hard to believe that the entire EU can't replace 2,000 US soldiers in Syria.

.

Which EU army are you referring to you insular fuck ?
There isnt one.

-------------------------------- yeah , 'isis' isn't really that far away from you 'euros' but your military can handle it Tommy .

The US created ISIS - sort it out.

Obama did, you fat sack of shit...