CDZ Second Amendment Rights Must be Complete and Uncondional!

[otto105]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

The intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep slaves in their spot.

 

[otto105]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

The intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep slaves in their spot.

Westy

I good place to start.

The Slave-State Origins of Modern Gun Rights

 

[DudleySmith]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

Yep. Laws against stealing haven't stopped theft, so might as well legalize that; same with rape, murder, etc. Legalize everything, and crime disappears.

 

[DudleySmith]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

The intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep slaves in their spot.

Westy

I good place to start.

The Slave-State Origins of Modern Gun Rights

And hey, it turns out that such 'racist' laws in place now would save a lot of black lives and white lives. there is a reason such 'discriminatory' laws were made, after all.

 

[otto105]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

The intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep slaves in their spot.

Westy

I good place to start.

The Slave-State Origins of Modern Gun Rights

And hey, it turns out that such 'racist' laws in place now would save a lot of black lives and white lives. there is a reason such 'discriminatory' laws were made, after all.

How so?

 

[DudleySmith]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

The intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep slaves in their spot.

Westy

I good place to start.

The Slave-State Origins of Modern Gun Rights

And hey, it turns out that such 'racist' laws in place now would save a lot of black lives and white lives. there is a reason such 'discriminatory' laws were made, after all.

How so?

lol seen the death tolls in Chicago lately?

 

[toobfreak]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.

If you want to shell out the $200 for a federal stamp, you can buy one of these!

 

[Oddball]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

I agree.

Recreational McNukes™ for everyone, on me!

 

[otto105]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

The intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep slaves in their spot.

Westy

I good place to start.

The Slave-State Origins of Modern Gun Rights

And hey, it turns out that such 'racist' laws in place now would save a lot of black lives and white lives. there is a reason such 'discriminatory' laws were made, after all.

How so?

lol seen the death tolls in Chicago lately?

All those people with guns, why is it not the safest place in America?

 

[Oddball]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.

If you want to shell out the $200 for a federal stamp, you can buy one of these!

View attachment 497848

Fuck that....I don't need no steenking federal stamp!

 

[Oddball]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

The intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep slaves in their spot.

Westy

I good place to start.

The Slave-State Origins of Modern Gun Rights

And hey, it turns out that such 'racist' laws in place now would save a lot of black lives and white lives. there is a reason such 'discriminatory' laws were made, after all.

How so?

lol seen the death tolls in Chicago lately?

All those people with guns, why is it not the safest place in America?

Because the law abiding are extremely restricted from obtaining them, dumbfuck.

 

[otto105]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

The intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep slaves in their spot.

Westy

I good place to start.

The Slave-State Origins of Modern Gun Rights

And hey, it turns out that such 'racist' laws in place now would save a lot of black lives and white lives. there is a reason such 'discriminatory' laws were made, after all.

How so?

lol seen the death tolls in Chicago lately?

All those people with guns, why is it not the safest place in America?

Because the law abiding are extremely restricted from obtaining them, dumbfuck.

The gun murders and violence in Chicago are happening in areas of poverty were a lot of people have guns. Gang members shooting at each other....both armed and yet gun violence happens.

 

[Batcat]

Opinions?

They're gonna get the guns eventually.

Don’t count on that. Americans have a long history of distrusting their government and you have to have al lot of trust in your government to give up your firearms.

Much will depend on how well our educational system can brainwash our children and if we allow that brainwashing to continue.

 

[westwall]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.

If you want to shell out the $200 for a federal stamp, you can buy one of these!

View attachment 497848

No need for a stamp. They aren't considered a machine-gun.

They are just 85,000 plus. Puts them out of the range of most collectors.

 

[westwall]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

The intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep slaves in their spot.

Westy

I good place to start.

The Slave-State Origins of Modern Gun Rights

And hey, it turns out that such 'racist' laws in place now would save a lot of black lives and white lives. there is a reason such 'discriminatory' laws were made, after all.

How so?

lol seen the death tolls in Chicago lately?

All those people with guns, why is it not the safest place in America?

Because the law abiding are extremely restricted from obtaining them, dumbfuck.

The gun murders and violence in Chicago are happening in areas of poverty were a lot of people have guns. Gang members shooting at each other....both armed and yet gun violence happens.

Yeah, because they ARE VIOLENT PEOPLE.

 

[Oddball]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

The intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep slaves in their spot.

Westy

I good place to start.

The Slave-State Origins of Modern Gun Rights

And hey, it turns out that such 'racist' laws in place now would save a lot of black lives and white lives. there is a reason such 'discriminatory' laws were made, after all.

How so?

lol seen the death tolls in Chicago lately?

All those people with guns, why is it not the safest place in America?

Because the law abiding are extremely restricted from obtaining them, dumbfuck.

The gun murders and violence in Chicago are happening in areas of poverty were a lot of people have guns. Gang members shooting at each other....both armed and yet gun violence happens.

Why are the law abiding prevented from shooting back?

 

[DudleySmith]

There can be no restrictions on any person's right to buy or sell any guns or any number of guns they choose.
This could present risks to society in America but the risks need to be accepted as necessary for the upholding of the intent of the 2nd. amendment. If any American objects to the sacred rights as stated by the 2nd. amendment then they have the option of purchasing their own weapons with which to defend themselves from harm.

The extreme example: A person released from prison who has murdered with his gun has the right to walk straight across the street from the prison and purchase a gun or guns. The only thing stopping him would be a background check being required to purchase a gun.

On the surface it could seem to be counter-productive to a peaceful society. It might be but there is no legitimate means to stop him unless the 2nd. amendment's unconditional rights are infringed upon.

And so for those who are hesitant to accept the full and complete rights as spelled out by their 2nd. amendment, is there any possible law that could be enacted that could curtail the ex-criminal's rights?

I say there is none! The 2nd. amendment isn't open for compromise for any reason or for any socialist cause.

Opinions?

The intent of the 2nd amendment was to keep slaves in their spot.

Westy

I good place to start.

The Slave-State Origins of Modern Gun Rights

And hey, it turns out that such 'racist' laws in place now would save a lot of black lives and white lives. there is a reason such 'discriminatory' laws were made, after all.

How so?

lol seen the death tolls in Chicago lately?

All those people with guns, why is it not the safest place in America?

Because hood rats and dopers run the hoods, that's why, and most black people are fine with that, which is why it's stupid not to discriminate against them re firearm sales and police profiling. Of course, the more violence and death in the hoods, the better the commies and Democrats like it; they can now commit crimes and then bait cops and be rewarded with millions o buckz.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Well regulated means to be in good condition or to be well kept.

Which also means trained, so do you find it a violation of the Second Amendment to demand people have a permit to carry proving their shooting skills are "in good condition" and "well kept?"

Do you have any idea about concealed carry? What it takes to earn that title? In Florida it usually takes 2 months to have your conceal license issued but being a veteran the process was sped up to 2 weeks. But then again, i already had a Utah CC and Virginia CC before i had my Florida one.

I had mine in about five weeks.

Former military don't have to take the concealed carry class, but it's not a horrible idea, just as a "brush up" on the rules, etc...

 

[DudleySmith]

Well regulated means to be in good condition or to be well kept.

Which also means trained, so do you find it a violation of the Second Amendment to demand people have a permit to carry proving their shooting skills are "in good condition" and "well kept?"

Do you have any idea about concealed carry? What it takes to earn that title? In Florida it usually takes 2 months to have your conceal license issued but being a veteran the process was sped up to 2 weeks. But then again, i already had a Utah CC and Virginia CC before i had my Florida one.

I had mine in about five weeks.

Former military don't have to take the concealed carry class, but it's not a horrible idea, just as a "brush up" on the rules, etc...

Don't know why requiring such a simple safety course is such a flame war starter with some here; it's not like we're still a rural country where everybody grew up around hunting and firearms from childhood any more, and many people definitely need a little basic instruction. We do it for drivers' licenses, a more difficult test to boot, so why would a couple of hours on safety cause so much sniveling?

 

[danielpalos]

It is long established precedent that Constitutionally-guaranteed rights are not absolute. Even setting aside those that conflict with other laws, there are several instances in which rights have to be superseded by threats to public safety. One is that a license is needed for some assemblies, despite the First Amendment (as alang1216 pointed out). Another is the law-school example that freedom of speech does not allow one to yell "Fire!" in a crowded building, and of course the 1934 NFA (amended since) places fully automatic weapons, among others, behind the class 3 license, because people were tired of living in fear of gangsters shooting up their favorite streets with Tommy Guns.

With those precedents set, it would be entirely Constitutional for Congress to pass a law restricting gun ownership far beyond what we have now.

LIcenses are not needed as permission to assemble, they are simply there because as a public space, more than one group at a time may want that space for their speech....

Wrong......we already have Supreme Court rulings that show you don't understand the issues....Heller, Caetano, Scalia's opinion in Friedman v Highland Park....

Arms are deadly weapons.

Only well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

The unorganized militia as Individuals of the People are subject to the police power of their State when keeping and bearing Arms for their private and individual selves.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)