Seattle Swaps Columbus Day For Indigenous Peoples' Day

[Piss Bucket]

How would one celebrate "Indiginous People's Day"? Drinking a lot of cheap liquor, stupidly selling out your reservation for pennies and ending up at the absolute bottom of the social order, even below the blacks who were once slaves?

American Indians: Reminding everyone that no matter how bad things get, there is always someone out there who has fucked up a lot worse than you.

 

[PredFan]

The funny thing is probably 90 percent of the people on this board would not have known today was Columbus if it wasn't for this thread.

That's probably because fast food chains don't recognize it as a holiday.

Ok, that's kinda funny.

 

[Lakhota]

Native Americans' Day in United States

The second Monday of October annually marks Columbus Day in many parts the United States but not all states or region follow this observance. Instead, they celebrate other events on the day. For example, South Dakota's official holiday on this date is Native Americans' Day (also known as Native American Day), while people in Berkeley, California, celebrate Indigenous People's Day.

Native Americans' Day is a public holiday in South Dakota and in Berkeley, California, instead of Columbus Day. Government offices are closed, as are many businesses and schools. Services such as police and fire departments, as well as emergency health services, may be available on this day. It is also a statewide observance in all of California on the fourth Friday of September.

More: Native Americans' Day in United States

Progress is slow - but at least it's progress.

 

[blackhawk]

The funny thing is probably 90 percent of the people on this board would not have known today was Columbus if it wasn't for this thread.

That's probably because fast food chains don't recognize it as a holiday.

Outside of the Post Office and some banks who does?

 

[ClosedCaption]

How would one celebrate "Indiginous People's Day"? Drinking a lot of cheap liquor, stupidly selling out your reservation for pennies and ending up at the absolute bottom of the social order, even below the blacks who were once slaves?

American Indians: Reminding everyone that no matter how bad things get, there is always someone out there who has fucked up a lot worse than you.

How would I celebrate it? By saving a bunch of white people from starving and freezing to death only to be stabbed in the back later

 

[Lakhota]

Taking the Columbus Out of Columbus Day

In 1934, Italian community leaders and the Knights of Columbus convinced Congress and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt to declare "Columbus Day" a federal holiday. Eighty years later, many are asking, "If we'd known then what we know now, would we still honor a desperately greedy, ruthless, genocidal, slave-trader with a federal holiday?"

About the best we can say of Christopher Columbus anymore is that he was a cheapskate. On his 1492 voyage, he promised a reward to whoever spotted land first. Hooray for sailor Rodrigo de Triana, right? Nope. Columbus claimed he had seen a "glow" the night before and gave the reward to himself.

As it turns out, the "Columbus sailed the ocean blue" song we sang as children needs a few new verses. One might be about how he murdered countless natives. Another might be how he also dealt in child prostitution, giving his sailors the perk of 9 and 10 year old girls for their amusement. His reputation was so grim that, upon the approach of any Europeans, it was not uncommon for natives to poison their own children and then commit suicide rather than face whatever torture was in store for them.

The one who many still mistakenly celebrate for "discovering" America was, in fact, a heartless slave trader who brutalized and enslaved whole islands of people in an effort to lessen the effects of his failure to find a new trade route to the Indies. Spanish historian Peter Martyr wrote at the time: "... a ship without compass, chart, or guide, but only following the trail of dead Indians who had been thrown from the ships could find its way from the Bahamas to Hispaniola."

Columbus' own contemporaries despised him. As governor of Santo Domingo on Hispaniola, he was a despot who kept all the profits for himself. A number of attempts were made on his life and at one point he was actually arrested and sent back to Spain in chains for crimes against humanity. Good thing for him he brought a lot of gold and bought off the King and Queen, who pardoned him so he could get back to work.

But Columbus was not totally without scruples. Because the Catholic church forbade enslaving of Christians, he made sure not to baptize any of the natives he was selling into slavery.

The bottom line is that what we know now about Columbus should be enough to make even the most ardent Knight of Columbus call for a rebranding of their fraternal order - and it's not PC revisionism of Columbus' reputation, either. His ownjournals and logs reveal a man who, even by the standards of his own day, was more opportunistic monster than heroic explorer.

From a Christian perspective, it's pointless to ask, "How did we get from Jesus to Columbus?" -- from "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength; and love your neighbor as yourself" to the horrors of massacres, decapitations, and child sex slavery? Easy answer: Christian history is awash in thousands of years of having been compromised by greed, violence, and the lust for power. One might try to excuse Columbus as a product of his age who practiced a kind of Christianity that was more imperialist than compassionate -- after all, nearly 1500 years of putting "conquering in Jesus' name" at the top of your priority list is a hard habit to break. It doesn't take much research to discover that, for much of its history, the only thing Jesus would recognize about Christianity is that it functions with the same modus operandi as the Roman economic, political, and military machine that led to his execution.

So what are we to do? We're left with a holiday that lifts up an unsavory tyrant who in large part used Christianity as a means toward satiating his personal greed for power and influence. Most folks don't have a clue as to the real nature of Columbus' actions and the dreary architecture of his soul; and like many holidays that involve a day off for select Americans, most people simply don't care about the origin of their three-day weekend. Plus, we've got universities, companies, networks, rivers, and whole countries named after this man. Reframing Columbus Day will be a tough sell.

But the time has come.

More: Taking the Columbus Out of Columbus Day - Rev. David Felten

Yes, the time has come. Columbus ranks among the most brutal despots in world history.

This is a great article. I strongly encourage everyone who cares to read it all.

 

[aaronleland]

Who cares what they call such an insignificant holiday? They could call it Hitler Day for all I care. It means nothing to most Americans.

 

[TEA Party Patriot]

Columbus was a butcher!

I took the day off of work in to celebrate this man and honor his memory.

Columbus discovered the New World. WITHOUT COLUMBUS, YOU WOULD NOT EXIST. Get over it.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

HAPPY COLUMBUS DAY EVERYONE !

 

[Lakhota]

Happy Native American Day!

Happy Indigenous Peoples' Day!
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[Lakhota]

We've known for... well, many hundreds of years now that Christopher Columbus didn't really DISCOVER anything. It's tough to make the case that you discovered land when millions of other humans already know about it and in fact live there.

"Oh, is this your bike? Cool, whelp I just discovered it, so beat it, it's mine."

So with Columbus Day in mind, John Oliver asks the important question, "How is that still a thing?"

John Oliver Asks 'How Is Columbus Day Still A Thing?'

Excellent question!

 

[Papageorgio]

It's no more thing than Indigenous Peoples' Day, which is just another day.

 

[g5000]

Several Italian-Americans and others objected to the change, saying Indigenous Peoples' Day honors one group while disregarding the Italian heritage of others.

This is the excuse used by every white group to oppose a minority group. BUT THEN they claim that minority groups shouldnt even exist because it divides right Italian Heritage groups?

lol

You are a rube.

Awe

 

[g5000]

How would one celebrate "Indiginous People's Day"?

Well, since this is about the indians in Washington, you would celebrate by visiting the Two Rivers indian casino.

Two Rivers Casino - Come Play in Paradise

 

[Papageorgio]

How would one celebrate "Indiginous People's Day"?

Well, since this is about the indians in Washington, you would celebrate by visiting the Two Rivers indian casino.

Two Rivers Casino - Come Play in Paradise

If it's about Indians, we could drink all day and smoke peyote.

 

[blackhawk]

I guess the OP has already forgotten about the Redskins name to focus on this sad very sad.

 

[blackhawk]

Question if someone other than Columbus had discovered the new world what if anything would they have done different than he did?

 

[Antares]

Native Americans' Day in United States

The second Monday of October annually marks Columbus Day in many parts the United States but not all states or region follow this observance. Instead, they celebrate other events on the day. For example, South Dakota's official holiday on this date is Native Americans' Day (also known as Native American Day), while people in Berkeley, California, celebrate Indigenous People's Day.

Native Americans' Day is a public holiday in South Dakota and in Berkeley, California, instead of Columbus Day. Government offices are closed, as are many businesses and schools. Services such as police and fire departments, as well as emergency health services, may be available on this day. It is also a statewide observance in all of California on the fourth Friday of September.

More: Native Americans' Day in United States

Progress is slow - but at least it's progress.

It should be "We conquered the bitches day".

 

[Lakhota]

Taking the Columbus Out of Columbus Day

In 1934, Italian community leaders and the Knights of Columbus convinced Congress and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt to declare "Columbus Day" a federal holiday. Eighty years later, many are asking, "If we'd known then what we know now, would we still honor a desperately greedy, ruthless, genocidal, slave-trader with a federal holiday?"

About the best we can say of Christopher Columbus anymore is that he was a cheapskate. On his 1492 voyage, he promised a reward to whoever spotted land first. Hooray for sailor Rodrigo de Triana, right? Nope. Columbus claimed he had seen a "glow" the night before and gave the reward to himself.

As it turns out, the "Columbus sailed the ocean blue" song we sang as children needs a few new verses. One might be about how he murdered countless natives. Another might be how he also dealt in child prostitution, giving his sailors the perk of 9 and 10 year old girls for their amusement. His reputation was so grim that, upon the approach of any Europeans, it was not uncommon for natives to poison their own children and then commit suicide rather than face whatever torture was in store for them.

The one who many still mistakenly celebrate for "discovering" America was, in fact, a heartless slave trader who brutalized and enslaved whole islands of people in an effort to lessen the effects of his failure to find a new trade route to the Indies. Spanish historian Peter Martyr wrote at the time: "... a ship without compass, chart, or guide, but only following the trail of dead Indians who had been thrown from the ships could find its way from the Bahamas to Hispaniola."

Columbus' own contemporaries despised him. As governor of Santo Domingo on Hispaniola, he was a despot who kept all the profits for himself. A number of attempts were made on his life and at one point he was actually arrested and sent back to Spain in chains for crimes against humanity. Good thing for him he brought a lot of gold and bought off the King and Queen, who pardoned him so he could get back to work.

But Columbus was not totally without scruples. Because the Catholic church forbade enslaving of Christians, he made sure not to baptize any of the natives he was selling into slavery.

The bottom line is that what we know now about Columbus should be enough to make even the most ardent Knight of Columbus call for a rebranding of their fraternal order - and it's not PC revisionism of Columbus' reputation, either. His ownjournals and logs reveal a man who, even by the standards of his own day, was more opportunistic monster than heroic explorer.

From a Christian perspective, it's pointless to ask, "How did we get from Jesus to Columbus?" -- from "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength; and love your neighbor as yourself" to the horrors of massacres, decapitations, and child sex slavery? Easy answer: Christian history is awash in thousands of years of having been compromised by greed, violence, and the lust for power. One might try to excuse Columbus as a product of his age who practiced a kind of Christianity that was more imperialist than compassionate -- after all, nearly 1500 years of putting "conquering in Jesus' name" at the top of your priority list is a hard habit to break. It doesn't take much research to discover that, for much of its history, the only thing Jesus would recognize about Christianity is that it functions with the same modus operandi as the Roman economic, political, and military machine that led to his execution.

So what are we to do? We're left with a holiday that lifts up an unsavory tyrant who in large part used Christianity as a means toward satiating his personal greed for power and influence. Most folks don't have a clue as to the real nature of Columbus' actions and the dreary architecture of his soul; and like many holidays that involve a day off for select Americans, most people simply don't care about the origin of their three-day weekend. Plus, we've got universities, companies, networks, rivers, and whole countries named after this man. Reframing Columbus Day will be a tough sell.

But the time has come.

More: Taking the Columbus Out of Columbus Day - Rev. David Felten

Yes, the time has come. Columbus ranks among the most brutal despots in world history.

This is a great article. I strongly encourage everyone who cares to read it all.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Third thread on this.

Do the other two involve Seattle?

when the redskins were winning superbowls why weren't you complaining then

That explains why the Cowboys beat the Seahawks today when you do something that dumb you know Karma will get you back.

Or, maybe it explains why the Redskins lost.