Science moves closer to biblical creation.

[Woodznutz]

. While I suspect you include yourself among those special few who are the " truly godly", I see nothing that separates you special few from a large majority of the non-religious.

You should look closer.

Also, not all religions are beneficent, Islam for example. Another child was just killed for not singing a patriotic Iranian song. When is the last time a teenager was killed here for not singing "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"?

 

[Grumblenuts]

You should look deeper into those events.

I speak from experience. You knee-jerk judge and dismiss from ignorance and denial.

Indeed, "How Christian of you."

 

[Woodznutz]

I speak from experience. You knee-jerk judge and dismiss from ignorance and denial.

Indeed, "How Christian of you."

Looking deeper is the opposite of knee-jerk.

 

[Hollie]

Godliness evolves along with godlessness. To freeze religion in the dark ages while elevating secular knowledge is a bit dishonest.

It's perfectly appropriate to freeze religion in the dark. They don't advance or discover. There's nothing more we can learn about the Genesis fable. There it sits. A collection of absurdities that even religious people are odds over.

On the other hand, reason and rationality a the underpinnings of science have proven to be among the most influential and impactful human endeavors. It inspires thinking and innovation rather than the intellectual rigor mortis of religious dogma.

And in this way it accomplishes what most religious beliefs do not; progress. This is why scientific and intellectual investigation deserves so much deference in comparison to the dogna delivered by religious faith.

 

[Woodznutz]

It's perfectly appropriate to freeze religion in the dark. They don't advance or discover. There's nothing more we can learn about the Genesis fable. There it sits. A collection of absurdities that even religious people are odds over.

On the other hand, reason and rationality a the underpinnings of science have proven to be among the most influential and impactful human endeavors. It inspires thinking and innovation rather than the intellectual rigor mortis of religious dogma.

And in this way it accomplishes what most religious beliefs do not; progress. This is why scientific and intellectual investigation deserves so much deference in comparison to the dogna delivered by religious faith.

Are you aware of the role of the Bible in the expansion of literacy in the West, and the advances that that literacy wrought?

 

[Woodznutz]

It's perfectly appropriate to freeze religion in the dark. They don't advance or discover. There's nothing more we can learn about the Genesis fable. There it sits. A collection of absurdities that even religious people are odds over.

That you attack Genesis is quite telling. The book of "beginnings" sets the table for all that follows. Discredit the premise and you can discredit anything built upon it. Very cunning of you.

 

[Hollie]

You should look closer.

Also, not all religions are beneficent, Islam for example. Another child was just killed for not singing a patriotic Iranian song. When is the last time a teenager was killed here for not singing "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"?

I wouldn't be so quick to attach "beneficent'' to Christianity. From the conquests and horrors of the Conquistadors to the modern catholic church operating a child sex abuse syndicate, the human suffering inflicted on humanity by Christianity is horrendous.

The library of congress (link below), has an enormous catalog of early American history. It’s also important to remember that the framers of the Constitution were aware the early colonies of settlers were conclaves of religious intolerance, wherein a Baptist in one colony was safe, but a Roman Catholic was a criminal, yet in a different colony the reverse was true. This is completely unworkable and the Founding Fathers knew it.

The various sects of Christianity were completely at odds with one another as colonial states. Catholics couldn't live in one state, Quakers were executed if they went to another, Protestants were reviled in still others, and so on. These documents still exist. Anyone can research the laws of the original 13 colonies.

America as a Religious Refuge: The Seventeenth Century, Part 2 - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic | Exhibitions (Library of Congress)

Puritans expelled dissenters from their colonies, including Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson. Although they were victims of religious persecution in Europe, the Puritans supported the theory that sanctioned it, the need for uniformity of religion in the state.

www.loc.gov

 

[Hollie]

Are you aware of the role of the Bible in the expansion of literacy in the West, and the advances that that literacy wrought?

Are you aware of the role played by the Anglican church during the Dark Ages? The church literally held back the advancement of humanity for 800 years using torture, confinement and death for anyone who dared question church authority.

 

[Hollie]

That you attack Genesis is quite telling. The book of "beginnings" sets the table for all that follows. Discredit the premise and you can discredit anything built upon it. Very cunning of you.

I don't attack Genesis. I simply acknowledge that absurd fables with contrivances about talking snakes, humans from dirt, a 6 000 year old planet, etc., are absurdities.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Looking deeper is the opposite of knee-jerk.

Wow, our student learned something today. A+

Baby steps, but progress!

 

[Woodznutz]

I wouldn't be so quick to attach "beneficent'' to Christianity. From the conquests and horrors of the Conquistadors to the modern catholic church operating a child sex abuse syndicate, the human suffering inflicted on humanity by Christianity is horrendous.

The library of congress (link below), has an enormous catalog of early American history. It’s also important to remember that the framers of the Constitution were aware the early colonies of settlers were conclaves of religious intolerance, wherein a Baptist in one colony was safe, but a Roman Catholic was a criminal, yet in a different colony the reverse was true. This is completely unworkable and the Founding Fathers knew it.

The various sects of Christianity were completely at odds with one another as colonial states. Catholics couldn't live in one state, Quakers were executed if they went to another, Protestants were reviled in still others, and so on. These documents still exist. Anyone can research the laws of the original 13 colonies.

America as a Religious Refuge: The Seventeenth Century, Part 2 - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic | Exhibitions (Library of Congress)

Puritans expelled dissenters from their colonies, including Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson. Although they were victims of religious persecution in Europe, the Puritans supported the theory that sanctioned it, the need for uniformity of religion in the state.

www.loc.gov

We've pretty much worked those things out. You need to update your arguments.

 

[Woodznutz]

I don't attack Genesis. I simply acknowledge that absurd fables with contrivances about talking snakes, humans from dirt, a 6 000 year old planet, etc., are absurdities.

There's nothing in Genesis about a talking snake, or a 6000 year old planet. Man was made from, and is sustained by, the earthy elements however, as any scientist will attest.

 

[Woodznutz]

Are you aware of the role played by the Anglican church during the Dark Ages? The church literally held back the advancement of humanity for 800 years using torture, confinement and death for anyone who dared question church authority.

The Catholic Church and the Anglican Church were responsible for driving the true church out of Europe and later out of England. Don't confuse the great false churches of history with the true church.

Read Revelation 12.

 

[Woodznutz]

Wow, our student learned something today. A+

Baby steps, but progress!

Ya'll should take a lesson. I always try to angle for the nub of things. Sadly, a shitstorm usually happens before I get that far.

 

[Hollie]

We've pretty much worked those things out. You need to update your arguments.

You've pretty much worked out the abuses of Christianity? When did ''forgive and forget'' become part of the hymnals?

 

[Hollie]

The Catholic Church and the Anglican Church were responsible for driving the true church out of Europe and later out of England. Don't confuse the great false churches of history with the true church.

Read Revelation 12.

Ah. You have employed the "the true church'' argument. That's along the lines of ''the true Scotsman'' argument, right?

 

[Hollie]

There's nothing in Genesis about a talking snake, or a 6000 year old planet. Man was made from, and is sustained by, the earthy elements however, as any scientist will attest.

Correct. There's also nothing in genesis about all of humanity being condemned for an act of fruit theft, right?

 

[surada]

You should look closer.

Also, not all religions are beneficent, Islam for example. Another child was just killed for not singing a patriotic Iranian song. When is the last time a teenager was killed here for not singing "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"?

You don't know anything about Islam. What is wrong with you?

 

[cnm]

Are you aware of the role played by the Anglican church during the Dark Ages? The church literally held back the advancement of humanity for 800 years using torture, confinement and death for anyone who dared question church authority.

The Anglican Church didn't exist in the Dark Ages.

 

[cnm]

You should look closer.

Also, not all religions are beneficent, Islam for example. Another child was just killed for not singing a patriotic Iranian song. When is the last time a teenager was killed here for not singing "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"?

What on earth has Islam to do with Iranian patriotism? Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if a few teenagers in Dixie had been killed for singing "The Battle Hymn of the Republic". Especially if they were uppity.