Science moves closer to biblical creation.

[Hollie]

My worldview is constantly updated to the present. God's laws and way of life still reign, while your is in the toilet.

How Christian of you.

 

[Woodznutz]

Why do you think your triune God is any more "real" than any of the other, competing versions of gods?

My God makes sense, others don't.

 

[Woodznutz]

How Christian of you.

I see what I see. As religion fails, especially the Christian faith, the world falls into the toilet. Sometimes correlation is causation. The world needs a moral awakening, not more scientific discoveries. Science can't save us, not even from global warming.

 

[Hollie]

My God makes sense, others don't.

Others say the same thing. They're right so you must be wrong.

 

[Hollie]

I see what I see. As religion fails, especially the Christian faith, the world falls into the toilet. Sometimes correlation is causation.

Might as well sit at home and wait for all the gods to compromise on how they will resolve things.

 

[surada]

The end of the world will work out for the believers in Christ, but for the others not so much. It means we look forward to joy.

It was the end of an era when the temple was destroyed.

 

[Woodznutz]

Others say the same thing. They're right so you must be wrong.

Funny.

 

[Woodznutz]

Might as well sit at home and wait for all the gods to compromise on how they will resolve things.

God helps those who help themselves. Jesus said, "Busy yourselves (occupy) until I return." Christians aren't sitting on their hands waiting for others to do the work.

Hollie, you need to understand just how far apart our thinking is. What you see as a normal way of life Christians see as a looming tragedy.

 

[Woodznutz]

It was the end of an era when the temple was destroyed.

It was the formal and final end of the Old Covenant.

 

[Woodznutz]

Might as well sit at home and wait for all the gods to compromise on how they will resolve things.

God will save us from our suicidal destruction at the eleventh hour.

 

[Hollie]

Funny.

Not at all.

Funny.

Not necessarily funny. Just expected. Like the overwhelming majority of people, you simply inherited the gods commonly associated with your geographic, societal and familial surroundings. That's why there are identifiable gods ruling over identifiable geographic and societal regions of the planet.

As time goes on we do grow more godless. And as time goes by, and gods don’t return to this earth, as gods don’t prove salvation, we grow yet further away from fantasy and fiction. And that terrifies the believers. You know there is only faith and "belief" to support the “belief”. As mankind grows in scientific knowledge, those things once ascribed to the gods are taken away, leaving the gods as vindictive punishers and to sit and judge the dead.

 

[Hollie]

God helps those who help themselves. Jesus said, "Busy yourselves (occupy) until I return." Christians aren't sitting on their hands waiting for others to do the work.

Hollie, you need to understand just how far apart our thinking is. What you see as a normal way of life Christians see as a looming tragedy.

That's fine. I'll help myself, my friends, family and loved ones absent any expectation the gods have any interest in helping.

What is it you think I see as normal? That religions are divisive?

 

[Grumblenuts]

God will save us from our suicidal destruction at the eleventh hour.

Convenient how Christians can and do use that as an excuse all the time to destroy things and shoot people while blaming Atheists who cannot.

 

[Woodznutz]

Convenient how Christians can and do use that as an excuse all the time to destroy things and shoot people while blaming Atheists who cannot.

You should look deeper into those events.

 

[Woodznutz]

That's fine. I'll help myself, my friends, family and loved ones absent any expectation the gods have any interest in helping.

Easily explained.

Romans 2:14-15​

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14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

 

[Hollie]

Easily explained.

Romans 2:14-15​

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14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

Super.

So I'm conflicted on how to handle a domestic issue, and the absolutely universal / moral laws of the gods are not making it clear how I should proceed. Here's my conflict, from Leviticus 25:45-46

"Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession."

Here's my problem. One of the 4 year old children of the heathens around me actually has converted to Judaism. Now, technically he is still heathen, at least by blood. Can I buy this child anyway, or does the conversion override the bloodline issue? I suspect that a 4 year old isn't old enough to make such a decision regarding their status, so I can buy and enslave him anyway, right?

Can you enlighten me on how the gods resolves such a conflict?

Thanks.

 

[Woodznutz]

Not at all.

Not necessarily funny. Just expected. Like the overwhelming majority of people, you simply inherited the gods commonly associated with your geographic, societal and familial surroundings. That's why there are identifiable gods ruling over identifiable geographic and societal regions of the planet.

As time goes on we do grow more godless. And as time goes by, and gods don’t return to this earth, as gods don’t prove salvation, we grow yet further away from fantasy and fiction. And that terrifies the believers. You know there is only faith and "belief" to support the “belief”. As mankind grows in scientific knowledge, those things once ascribed to the gods are taken away, leaving the gods as vindictive punishers and to sit and judge the dead.

Your opinions concerning the biblical God have been formed outside of the faith, and are predictably negative.

The truly godly grow yet more godly, even as the world grows more godless. To the point where we are able to "come out of her" almost entirely and shed the curses they bring on themselves. We are necessarily in the world but not of the world.

 

[Woodznutz]

Super.

So I'm conflicted on how to handle a domestic issue, and the absolutely universal / moral laws of the gods are not making it clear how I should proceed. Here's my conflict, from Leviticus 25:45-46

"Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession."

Here's my problem. One of the 4 year old children of the heathens around me actually has converted to Judaism. Now, technically he is still heathen, at least by blood. Can I buy this child anyway, or does the conversion override the bloodline issue? I suspect that a 4 year old isn't old enough to make such a decision regarding their status, so I can buy and enslave him anyway, right?

Can you enlighten me on how the gods resolves such a conflict?

Thanks.

God resolved that conflict by sending Titus to destroy the temple in 70 A.D. This event marked the final end of the Old Covenant, along with the law that you referenced.
It was replaced by "You shall love your neighbor as yourself". The love here is agape, which entails four major elements:

Assent of will (happily yielding your own will on the subject).
Judgment (decisions based on knowledge, fairness and justice).
Duty (self-sacrificial effort on behalf of the greater good).
Propriety (doing things properly, orderly, courteously).

Using one or a more of these attributes should help you solve the problem.

 

[Hollie]

Your opinions concerning the biblical God have been formed outside of the faith, and are predictably negative.

The truly godly grow yet more godly, even as the world grows more godless. To the point where we are able to "come out of her" almost entirely and shed the curses they bring on themselves. We are necessarily in the world but not of the world.

Actually, my opinions about religion have been founded on the principles of reason and rationality. While I suspect you include yourself among those special few who are the " truly godly", I see nothing that separates you special few from a large majority of the non-religious.

An irrational belief system is what has compelled you religious folks toward pushing swords into one another for over ten thousand years; burning at the stake those who don't agree with you, flying airplanes into buildings. All of this to prove that you, and only you, represent the true god(s).

How very godly of you fine folks.

 

[Woodznutz]

Actually, my opinions about religion have been founded on the principles of reason and rationality. While I suspect you include yourself among those special few who are the " truly godly", I see nothing that separates you special few from a large majority of the non-religious.

An irrational belief system is what has compelled you religious folks toward pushing swords into one another for over ten thousand years; burning at the stake those who don't agree with you, flying airplanes into buildings. All of this to prove that you, and only you, represent the true god(s).

How very godly of you fine folks.

Godliness evolves along with godlessness. To freeze religion in the dark ages while elevating secular knowledge is a bit dishonest.