Schwarzenegger Calls for Pot Debate

[bk1983]

All this discussion has gone away from the point of this thread which is that marajuana prohibition is a failure. All we have done is create a black market for pot, driven it's cost sky high, created criminals and not stopped anybody who wants to get pot.

Maybe in the land of the free we should allow people decide what to put in their own bodies.

Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.
Ronald Reagan

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know......I feel about legalization the same way that I feel about helmet laws for motorcyclists.........

Freedom is free, oppression costs money.

What ever happened to personal responsibility?

 

[wihosa]

The real reason for prohibiting marajuana was for the protection of industries which were threatened by the commercialization of marajuana.
Hemp is far superior to cotton for cloth, wood pulp for paper and alcohol for personal recreational use.

Maybe someday we will free ourselves from the moralizers and take a fresh look at a very viable economic resource. It would free us from clear cutting our forests to make paper and give farmers a cash crop that can grow in almost any climate and soil.

 

[wihosa]

You know......I feel about legalization the same way that I feel about helmet laws for motorcyclists.........

Freedom is free, oppression costs money.

What ever happened to personal responsibility?

The costs to society from head injury are far more substantial than percieved costs from marajuana use. The savings from leagalization would help produce surpluses in government coffers.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know......I feel about legalization the same way that I feel about helmet laws for motorcyclists.........

Freedom is free, oppression costs money.

What ever happened to personal responsibility?

The costs to society from head injury are far more substantial than percieved costs from marajuana use. The savings from leagalization would help produce surpluses in government coffers.

Yeah..........and did ya know that in Texas, if you've got the coverage on your insurance for yourself and your passenger, that you can BOTH ride without helmets?

I've got that automatically, because I'm a Navy retiree.

And you know? In the money that would be generated from legalization and taxation of cannabis, they could actually fund the war on drugs and GET RID OF shit like methamphetamine? They would also be able to get rid of stuff like heroin, cocaine and all the other stuff?

Realize this though........methamphetamine, as well as cocaine and other drugs are useful, but only under the supervision of a doctor.

Speaking of which.........I hope that the Limbidiot overdoses on oxycotin by June and is planted 6 feet in the ground.

 

[wihosa]

Turning drug addicts into criminals is a fool's errand. For far less money we could have free treatment clinics. For those that don't want treatment we as a society need accept that some people will throw their lives away.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Turning drug addicts into criminals is a fool's errand. For far less money we could have free treatment clinics. For those that don't want treatment we as a society need accept that some people will throw their lives away.

Interestingly enough, pot is NOT ADDICTIVE!!!!!!!!!

And.........most of the people that I know who are pot smokers only (no meth, no coke, no other stuff) are intelligent, motivated and generally do pretty well.

Besides.........alcohol is MUCH more addictive (trust me......I was a Navy Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor for 8 years), as well as does a hell of a lot more damage to the body.

Then.........lets talk about battery acid and ammonia (you know......meth)........personally, I think that the world would be a much better place if everyone would have a nice fatty every now and again.

Might even solve war. I mean.......when you're stoned, the last thing you want to do is fight.

 

[wihosa]

Turning drug addicts into criminals is a fool's errand. For far less money we could have free treatment clinics. For those that don't want treatment we as a society need accept that some people will throw their lives away.

Interestingly enough, pot is NOT ADDICTIVE!!!!!!!!!

And.........most of the people that I know who are pot smokers only (no meth, no coke, no other stuff) are intelligent, motivated and generally do pretty well.

Besides.........alcohol is MUCH more addictive (trust me......I was a Navy Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor for 8 years), as well as does a hell of a lot more damage to the body.

Then.........lets talk about battery acid and ammonia (you know......meth)........personally, I think that the world would be a much better place if everyone would have a nice fatty every now and again.

Might even solve war. I mean.......when you're stoned, the last thing you want to do is fight.

Ageed, I wasn't talking about marajuana users when I said addicts, I was talking about people who are addicted to physically addictive drugs like cocaine, heroin and alcohol. If they don't want help there is nothing that can be done for them, if they do we need to have free clinics so they can get treatment.

 

[k2skier]

Turning drug addicts into criminals is a fool's errand. For far less money we could have free treatment clinics. For those that don't want treatment we as a society need accept that some people will throw their lives away.

Interestingly enough, pot is NOT ADDICTIVE!!!!!!!!!

And.........most of the people that I know who are pot smokers only (no meth, no coke, no other stuff) are intelligent, motivated and generally do pretty well.

Besides.........alcohol is MUCH more addictive (trust me......I was a Navy Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor for 8 years), as well as does a hell of a lot more damage to the body.

Then.........lets talk about battery acid and ammonia (you know......meth)........personally, I think that the world would be a much better place if everyone would have a nice fatty every now and again.

Might even solve war. I mean.......when you're stoned, the last thing you want to do is fight.

LOL! I can see it now Putin and Obama sitting on opposing couches with a big 'ol huka in the middle, then all hell breaks loose, Putin, you scarfed my bean dip, Obama you wheezed my cheese dip, Doritos and Cheetos start flying every where, it's like atomic snack warfare

 

[Iriemon]

Turning drug addicts into criminals is a fool's errand. For far less money we could have free treatment clinics. For those that don't want treatment we as a society need accept that some people will throw their lives away.

Interestingly enough, pot is NOT ADDICTIVE!!!!!!!!!

And.........most of the people that I know who are pot smokers only (no meth, no coke, no other stuff) are intelligent, motivated and generally do pretty well.

Besides.........alcohol is MUCH more addictive (trust me......I was a Navy Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor for 8 years), as well as does a hell of a lot more damage to the body.

Then.........lets talk about battery acid and ammonia (you know......meth)........personally, I think that the world would be a much better place if everyone would have a nice fatty every now and again.

Might even solve war. I mean.......when you're stoned, the last thing you want to do is fight.

LOL! I can see it now Putin and Obama sitting on opposing couches with a big 'ol huka in the middle, then all hell breaks loose, Putin, you scarfed my bean dip, Obama you wheezed my cheese dip, Doritos and Cheetos start flying every where, it's like atomic snack warfare

LOL!

O: Dude ... you bogarted that last doob.

P: (Laughing) Not to worry, comrade, we have more, we have more. Hey, your eyes are as red as the old Soviet flag!

O: (After a moment) You know what is amazing ... Alaska used to be part of Russia, but wasn't touching Russia. And now Alaska is part of the US ... but isn't touching the US.

P: (After a moment of contemplation). Whoa. That's freaky.

O: (Lighting another doob) Man I bet you guys are sorry you sold Alaska when it has babes like Sarah Palin in it.

P: I'd like to ring her balalaikas!

O: (Laughing) You could do it for the good of the state!

P: (Laughing) I'd plant the seeds of democracy!

(Air sucking sounds)

O: You know, brother, you're alright, for a KGB mothafucka.

P: Hey, you are too comrade. This is great bud. Let's go out to the Pizza dacha and get some munchies.

O: Right on!

And thus forms a new era in Russo-American relations.

 

[Yurt]

if its been posted in this thread, who cares, its fun watching it...arnold cracks me up, and look at his t-shirt, numero uno, LOOL

this is not about his politics, just the pot thing, he does't bullshit about inhaling

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqep14L2f7k[/ame]

 

[ABikerSailor]

Ya know..........I know a dude that hand makes the finest smoking devices ever created.

He's even got the patent................

 

[Sky-Tripper]

DE-criminalize it and keep the govt. OUT!
Too many Americans rely on the fact that because it remains on the black market and there is still such a risk for growing and selling......there's a LOT of profit to LOSE if the govt. takes over by allowing another stupid corporation to control the marijuana biz.
It's far too great of a tax free income with very nice profits for ANYONE who chooses to take the risk. Pays the bills, saves the house from foreclosure, puts food on the table and helps nicely.......come Christmas shopping time.
Besides.......ALL politicians (Dems. and Pubs) LOVE continuing the status quo with pot. Keeps a LOT of people in govt. and in certain private sectors.......comfortably and securely EMPLOYED. Think of all the cops, border agents, probation officers, correctional officers, drug rehabs, surveillance/monitoring and drug-testing companies who ALL stand a LOT to lose if pot were legalized!
Legalizing marijuana would drastically impede BIGGER government, Socialism, fascism and would actually mean that the US Constitution DOES work FOR THE PEOPLE after all!
This is not to be tolerated ya know?
NOBODY IS truly FREE as long as ANY form of prohibition is to be tolerated or accepted, but yeah, I agree with others here.......there sure as Hell ain't NO place in society for the likes of methamphetamine.
But, since the vast majority of people who use anything that IS illegal.....stick with pot exclusively, then it is THIS that needs NOT be demonized anymore than it has for far too long!
LOVE a great sativa wake-n-bake! Indica.....before I crash.
Anyone SHOULD be able to LEGALLY grow and then meet at a Farmer's Market every weekend and SELL the fruits of their labor to the public who CHOOSES to inspect, sample and buy..........then a tax should be imposed and collected by the local, state and Fed. Govt. .........but NO single or govt. "corporation" SHOULD monopolize it......just ALL the individuals who GROW it and COMPETE with other farmers.
FREE MARKET CAPITALISM.......truly in action, just as it was always supposed to be. If it were THIS.....then YES......to LEGALIZATION!

 

[brewerboy]

If marajuana is legalized for use and cultivation, the chance that the goverment would get any substantial tax revenue from sales of marijuana is unlikely. Marajuana is easy to grow and most people would simply grow their own.

Leagalization would however destroy the drug cartels.

don't you know it? everybody with a brain cell left would grow their own..

Have you ever smoked weed? Even just once?

 

[editec]

If marajuana is legalized for use and cultivation, the chance that the goverment would get any substantial tax revenue from sales of marijuana is unlikely. Marajuana is easy to grow and most people would simply grow their own.

Leagalization would however destroy the drug cartels.

thats not really true at all. If regulated pot were graded above the usual ditch weed homegrown then why would anyone grow what they could buy easily? It's similar with alcohol. Sure, you CAN make your own beer. You CAN make your own wine. And many do. But, how often have you ever fermented anything? And, if so, has your product ever been as standardized and of the same quality as what you can buy as any gas station? Not to mention, that it's illegal to ferment MORE than a specific gallon per year (I think 100 gallons). This about that. THAT is a lot of 750ml bottles of wine. But, does anyone ever make that much? Not only that, but TAX THE PARIPH. Sure, anyone with a nail and a can can smoke pot but, srsly.. do you WANT to? Wouldn't you rather pay a surgharge on a bong instead of hiding from the law?

Sho, growing truly fine hemp really isn't very difficult.

The ditch weed (AKA "merch" hereabouts) is basically crap because it is allowed to go to seed and because it is usually so old by the time we get it that it has lost its hallucingenic potency.

Ironically one can take the seeds from crappy pot that one bought from the cartels and grow it locally and get a much better quality of hemp out of it.

Growing pot is about as hard as growing weeds.

Growing excellent hemp for smoking requires little more than culling the male plants early enough to insure that the females are sensimilla.

Then, thos females go absolutely apeshit creating more and more and more pollen hoping to get preggers.

Only they don't since all the males were culled.

ABout this, chum, I know of what I speak.

Of course there are more potent types of hemp, but seriously, any hemp you grow locally will be better than the commercial crap you usually buy that the mobs are delivering to us.

Freshness counts in hemp no less than it counts with any other vegetable.

If hemp were not illegal, there would be no reason whatever for anyone to buy it.

The price would drop to that of hay...maybe less, actuallym since good hay is harder to grow well than good hemp.

 

[Meister]

If marajuana is legalized for use and cultivation, the chance that the goverment would get any substantial tax revenue from sales of marijuana is unlikely. Marajuana is easy to grow and most people would simply grow their own.

Leagalization would however destroy the drug cartels.

thats not really true at all. If regulated pot were graded above the usual ditch weed homegrown then why would anyone grow what they could buy easily? It's similar with alcohol. Sure, you CAN make your own beer. You CAN make your own wine. And many do. But, how often have you ever fermented anything? And, if so, has your product ever been as standardized and of the same quality as what you can buy as any gas station? Not to mention, that it's illegal to ferment MORE than a specific gallon per year (I think 100 gallons). This about that. THAT is a lot of 750ml bottles of wine. But, does anyone ever make that much? Not only that, but TAX THE PARIPH. Sure, anyone with a nail and a can can smoke pot but, srsly.. do you WANT to? Wouldn't you rather pay a surgharge on a bong instead of hiding from the law?

Sho, growing truly fine hemp really isn't very difficult.

The ditch weed (AKA "merch" hereabouts) is basically crap because it is allowed to go to seed and because it is usually so old by the time we get it that it has lost its hallucingenic potency.

Ironically one can take the seeds from crappy pot that one bought from the cartels and grow it locally and get a much better quality of hemp out of it.

Growing pot is about as hard as growing weeds.

Growing excellent hemp for smoking requires little more than culling the male plants early enough to insure that the females are sensimilla.

Then, thos females go absolutely apeshit creating more and more and more pollen hoping to get preggers.

Only they don't since all the males were culled.

ABout this, chum, I know of what I speak.

Of course there are more potent types of hemp, but seriously, any hemp you grow locally will be better than the commercial crap you usually buy that the mobs are delivering to us.

Freshness counts in hemp no less than it counts with any other vegetable.

If hemp were not illegal, there would be no reason whatever for anyone to buy it.

The price would drop to that of hay...maybe less, actuallym since good hay is harder to grow well than good hemp.

Actually, I do believe that prices will remain expensive. Canada has legal pot, and it is still quite pricey.

The Official Marijuana Prices Thread - YaHooka Forums

 

[ABikerSailor]

No, the prices would drop if it was legal here in the US. Why is it so expensive in Canada? They know they can get top dollar for it here in the US because it's still illegal here.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Anyone who has smoked pot knows that once you are high smoking more really doesn't get you higher. We used to call it bonging for sport.

With strong weed you simply get high without having to smoke a lot, a good thing in reality, since 'smoking' is not good for you.

Wih-o...so far your doing ok ....i knew a couple of guys who were "GARDNERS" myself and they did many of the things you did to your plants.....its the final result that counts.....and the guys i knew grew some good shit....