Schiff directed Vindman not to answer certain questions from Republicans

[Billy_Kinetta]

There's no debate. He lied under oath. It's a matter of public record.

FYI, I voted for Clinton twice. The last Democrat I will ever vote for.

If Trump were to lie under oath, c'est la vie. It's doubtful in the extreme that Schiff's mob will get that close to him.

He lied under oath because of an investigation. We he being investigated for lying under oath or for some other reason?

Irrelevant. He lied under oath.

Need I say it again?

i don’t know why you keep repeating that. I agree, he lied, it’s a crime, it validated impeachment. Why can’t you address my point?

Your point is irrelevant.

why is it irrelevant?

Because Clinton committed the crime, not the investigation.

 

[Slade3200]

i really don’t see the point in comparing the two. Obama didn’t do the things that Trump has done. He didn’t provoke and attack the media and his opposition the way Trump has done. He didn’t burn bridges, break promises and overtly leverage aid to a foreign country in order to open an investigation into his political opponent.

I’m not a supporter of impeachment so I do agree with you that it is overkill but I also see the apples and oranges you are trying to compare and it’s not a fair argument

He didn't attack the media that supported him but if you didn't...then he used his Justice Department against you! Or have you forgotten what Barry did to James Rosen or how his Administration set a record for denying Freedom of Information requests in 2014 and then beat that record in 2015! Trump rails against the Main Stream Media but his bark is always worse than his bite...Barack Obama on the other hand had his Justice Department label Rosen as an unindicted coconspirator when he KNEW that was complete bullshit! Trump hasn't done anything even remotely close to that!

Obamas DOJ went after Rosens communications because of national security concerns that led to a guilty plea from a state department contractor for leaking North Korean nuclear test intel. How in the world are you comparing that to Trumps propaganda campaign?

He got illegal wire taps on a member of the Press by going to a judge and telling them that Rosen was an unindicted coconspirator when that wasn't the case! They had nothing criminal on Rosen! They were trying to plug leaks from inside the White House!

That was just the first time Barry and his merry band lied to Federal judges though...isn't it!

so a judge granted him wire taps but they are illegal? Do you see the flaw in your argument?

The judge granted the wire taps because he believed that the Justice Department was being honest when they informed him that James Rosen was an unindicted coconspirator. When you LIE to get a wire tap approved by a judge then YES you've been given an illegal wire tap! It disgusts me that nobody from Obama's Justice Department was ever brought up on criminal charges for what they did. It was something Nixon didn't come close to attempting...just like when Obama used the IRS to target his political opponents...THAT was something that out Nixoned, Nixon!

they said he was a possible co-conspirator... why can’t you be accurate?

 

[Slade3200]

He lied under oath because of an investigation. We he being investigated for lying under oath or for some other reason?

Irrelevant. He lied under oath.

Need I say it again?

i don’t know why you keep repeating that. I agree, he lied, it’s a crime, it validated impeachment. Why can’t you address my point?

Your point is irrelevant.

why is it irrelevant?

Because Clinton committed the crime, not the investigation.

He lied under oath because of an investigation. We he being investigated for lying under oath or for some other reason?

Irrelevant. He lied under oath.

Need I say it again?

i don’t know why you keep repeating that. I agree, he lied, it’s a crime, it validated impeachment. Why can’t you address my point?

Your point is irrelevant.

why is it irrelevant?

Because Clinton committed the crime, not the investigation.

He lied under oath because of an investigation. We he being investigated for lying under oath or for some other reason?

Irrelevant. He lied under oath.

Need I say it again?

i don’t know why you keep repeating that. I agree, he lied, it’s a crime, it validated impeachment. Why can’t you address my point?

Your point is irrelevant.

why is it irrelevant?

Because Clinton committed the crime, not the investigation.

he committed the crime because of the investigation. How do you not find that relevant?! Had they not investigated and interviewed him then there never would have been perjury... get it now?

 

[Slade3200]

He lied under oath because of an investigation. We he being investigated for lying under oath or for some other reason?

Irrelevant. He lied under oath.

Need I say it again?

i don’t know why you keep repeating that. I agree, he lied, it’s a crime, it validated impeachment. Why can’t you address my point?

Your point is irrelevant.

why is it irrelevant?

Because Clinton committed the crime, not the investigation.

So what’s your complaint about investigating Trump?

 

[Lakhota]

Schiff directed Vindman not to answer certain questions from Republicans

I applaud Chairman Schiff for preventing NaziCons like Gym Jordan and Mark Meadows from pushing Lt. Col. Vindman to provide clues as to who the whistleblower is. They were playing a process of elimination game.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Irrelevant. He lied under oath.

Need I say it again?

i don’t know why you keep repeating that. I agree, he lied, it’s a crime, it validated impeachment. Why can’t you address my point?

Your point is irrelevant.

why is it irrelevant?

Because Clinton committed the crime, not the investigation.

So what’s your complaint about investigating Trump?

It's not an investigation, but a fiction collaboration intended to bring down an election.

 

[Oldstyle]

He didn't attack the media that supported him but if you didn't...then he used his Justice Department against you! Or have you forgotten what Barry did to James Rosen or how his Administration set a record for denying Freedom of Information requests in 2014 and then beat that record in 2015! Trump rails against the Main Stream Media but his bark is always worse than his bite...Barack Obama on the other hand had his Justice Department label Rosen as an unindicted coconspirator when he KNEW that was complete bullshit! Trump hasn't done anything even remotely close to that!

Obamas DOJ went after Rosens communications because of national security concerns that led to a guilty plea from a state department contractor for leaking North Korean nuclear test intel. How in the world are you comparing that to Trumps propaganda campaign?

He got illegal wire taps on a member of the Press by going to a judge and telling them that Rosen was an unindicted coconspirator when that wasn't the case! They had nothing criminal on Rosen! They were trying to plug leaks from inside the White House!

That was just the first time Barry and his merry band lied to Federal judges though...isn't it!

so a judge granted him wire taps but they are illegal? Do you see the flaw in your argument?

The judge granted the wire taps because he believed that the Justice Department was being honest when they informed him that James Rosen was an unindicted coconspirator. When you LIE to get a wire tap approved by a judge then YES you've been given an illegal wire tap! It disgusts me that nobody from Obama's Justice Department was ever brought up on criminal charges for what they did. It was something Nixon didn't come close to attempting...just like when Obama used the IRS to target his political opponents...THAT was something that out Nixoned, Nixon!

they said he was a possible co-conspirator... why can’t you be accurate?

The FBI accused Rosen of having already committed a crime or of being in the process of committing a crime in their application for wire taps. That isn't a "possible" co-conspirator...that's a co-conspirator! So tell me why Rosen was never ever charged with a crime if he supposedly had committed one? The answer to that question is rather simple...it's because a crime was never committed...something the FBI knew only too well!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

This democratic effort to conduct a Coup de Etat via a fallacious use of impeachment is getting more ridiculous by the day.

When it finally falls apart and that will not take much longer....Schiff must be indicted and charged with treason....to make sure this sort of harassment of a President never happens again.

At no time in our history has any political party put our nation in such danger simply because of party politics.

In fact this whole travesty rises far above party politics....to the level of Treason...that is very clear.

Jordan: Schiff Directed Vindman Not to Answer Republican's Questions


Battleground States Oppose Impeachment and Removal

you remember when the Republicans pull the same crap next time they are in the minority. I want to hear the same condemnation from you.

The democrats are the only ones that have ever attempted a Coup D Etat in the entire history of America.

What the democrats will now be faced with after their attempt at a coup fails is the arrest and indictment for treason of the leaders of this failed coup.

Remember you heard it here first.

Really? Google “Clinton impeachment” and educate yourself

Clinton was impeached and for a specific reason......he lied to a grand jury.....that is a crime and thus he was impeached.

President Trump has committed no crimes and thus there is no legitimate reason to attempt to impeach him.

the dems haven’t presented their case yet so how do you know such things?

Clinton's Impeachment inquiry was done by a VOTE of the House and not in secret with democrats free to call their own witnesses and no hidden testimony.

 

[Slade3200]

i don’t know why you keep repeating that. I agree, he lied, it’s a crime, it validated impeachment. Why can’t you address my point?

Your point is irrelevant.

why is it irrelevant?

Because Clinton committed the crime, not the investigation.

So what’s your complaint about investigating Trump?

It's not an investigation, but a fiction collaboration intended to bring down an election.

how was it different from Clinton’s investigation prior to the perjury?

 

[Slade3200]

Obamas DOJ went after Rosens communications because of national security concerns that led to a guilty plea from a state department contractor for leaking North Korean nuclear test intel. How in the world are you comparing that to Trumps propaganda campaign?

He got illegal wire taps on a member of the Press by going to a judge and telling them that Rosen was an unindicted coconspirator when that wasn't the case! They had nothing criminal on Rosen! They were trying to plug leaks from inside the White House!

That was just the first time Barry and his merry band lied to Federal judges though...isn't it!

so a judge granted him wire taps but they are illegal? Do you see the flaw in your argument?

The judge granted the wire taps because he believed that the Justice Department was being honest when they informed him that James Rosen was an unindicted coconspirator. When you LIE to get a wire tap approved by a judge then YES you've been given an illegal wire tap! It disgusts me that nobody from Obama's Justice Department was ever brought up on criminal charges for what they did. It was something Nixon didn't come close to attempting...just like when Obama used the IRS to target his political opponents...THAT was something that out Nixoned, Nixon!

they said he was a possible co-conspirator... why can’t you be accurate?

The FBI accused Rosen of having already committed a crime or of being in the process of committing a crime in their application for wire taps. That isn't a "possible" co-conspirator...that's a co-conspirator! So tell me why Rosen was never ever charged with a crime if he supposedly had committed one? The answer to that question is rather simple...it's because a crime was never committed...something the FBI knew only too well!

what was their wording of the accusation?

 

[Slade3200]

you remember when the Republicans pull the same crap next time they are in the minority. I want to hear the same condemnation from you.

The democrats are the only ones that have ever attempted a Coup D Etat in the entire history of America.

What the democrats will now be faced with after their attempt at a coup fails is the arrest and indictment for treason of the leaders of this failed coup.

Remember you heard it here first.

Really? Google “Clinton impeachment” and educate yourself

Clinton was impeached and for a specific reason......he lied to a grand jury.....that is a crime and thus he was impeached.

President Trump has committed no crimes and thus there is no legitimate reason to attempt to impeach him.

the dems haven’t presented their case yet so how do you know such things?

Clinton's Impeachment inquiry was done by a VOTE of the House and not in secret with democrats free to call their own witnesses and no hidden testimony.

Is their a law mandating a vote to inquire about filing for impeachment?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The democrats are the only ones that have ever attempted a Coup D Etat in the entire history of America.

What the democrats will now be faced with after their attempt at a coup fails is the arrest and indictment for treason of the leaders of this failed coup.

Remember you heard it here first.

Really? Google “Clinton impeachment” and educate yourself

Clinton was impeached and for a specific reason......he lied to a grand jury.....that is a crime and thus he was impeached.

President Trump has committed no crimes and thus there is no legitimate reason to attempt to impeach him.

the dems haven’t presented their case yet so how do you know such things?

Clinton's Impeachment inquiry was done by a VOTE of the House and not in secret with democrats free to call their own witnesses and no hidden testimony.

Is their a law mandating a vote to inquire about filing for impeachment?

YOU claimed Clinton was the same when it was NOT. For one the Republicans had a CLEAR violation of Federal law, a pretty serious one. It was a matter of PUBLIC record and on the Court docs. Further the republicans did not hold secret meetings to FIND what to charge him with. They had a vote in the full house to investigate and they gave the same powers to call and subpoena people to the democrats in OPEN hearings. The republicans with Clinton did not hide testimony they did not tell witnesses NOT to answer democrats and they did not lie about any of the deeds or words of President Clinton. Shiff has done ALL that.

 

[Slade3200]

Really? Google “Clinton impeachment” and educate yourself

Clinton was impeached and for a specific reason......he lied to a grand jury.....that is a crime and thus he was impeached.

President Trump has committed no crimes and thus there is no legitimate reason to attempt to impeach him.

the dems haven’t presented their case yet so how do you know such things?

Clinton's Impeachment inquiry was done by a VOTE of the House and not in secret with democrats free to call their own witnesses and no hidden testimony.

Is their a law mandating a vote to inquire about filing for impeachment?

YOU claimed Clinton was the same when it was NOT. For one the Republicans had a CLEAR violation of Federal law, a pretty serious one. It was a matter of PUBLIC record and on the Court docs. Further the republicans did not hold secret meetings to FIND what to charge him with. They had a vote in the full house to investigate and they gave the same powers to call and subpoena people to the democrats in OPEN hearings. The republicans with Clinton did not hide testimony they did not tell witnesses NOT to answer democrats and they did not lie about any of the deeds or words of President Clinton. Shiff has done ALL that.

the Reps had their private depositions while they made the case during the Ken Starr Investigation. Then came the public impeachment. The dems are now moving into the public part of the proceedings. They held bipartisan private meetings instead of a special council To gather the evidence to make their case.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Clinton was impeached and for a specific reason......he lied to a grand jury.....that is a crime and thus he was impeached.

President Trump has committed no crimes and thus there is no legitimate reason to attempt to impeach him.

the dems haven’t presented their case yet so how do you know such things?

Clinton's Impeachment inquiry was done by a VOTE of the House and not in secret with democrats free to call their own witnesses and no hidden testimony.

Is their a law mandating a vote to inquire about filing for impeachment?

YOU claimed Clinton was the same when it was NOT. For one the Republicans had a CLEAR violation of Federal law, a pretty serious one. It was a matter of PUBLIC record and on the Court docs. Further the republicans did not hold secret meetings to FIND what to charge him with. They had a vote in the full house to investigate and they gave the same powers to call and subpoena people to the democrats in OPEN hearings. The republicans with Clinton did not hide testimony they did not tell witnesses NOT to answer democrats and they did not lie about any of the deeds or words of President Clinton. Shiff has done ALL that.

the Reps had their private depositions while they made the case during the Ken Starr Investigation. Then came the public impeachment. The dems are now moving into the public part of the proceedings. They held bipartisan private meetings instead of a special council To gather the evidence to make their case.

They ordered witnesses NOT to answer Republicans you moron. The Republicans with Clinton voted for an inquiry with the full house the democrats had all the abilities of the republicans and it was OPEN. Ken Starr's investigation was private as was Mueller's. Clinton's crime was front page news. HE LIED TO A JUDGE UNDER OATH. You got nothing on Trump and this has been one huge FISHING expedition.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Your point is irrelevant.

why is it irrelevant?

Because Clinton committed the crime, not the investigation.

So what’s your complaint about investigating Trump?

It's not an investigation, but a fiction collaboration intended to bring down an election.

how was it different from Clinton’s investigation prior to the perjury?

Clinton's behavior created a situation affecting national security by opening up the office of the presidency to foreign extortion/blackmail.

Accusations against Trump in the Democrats' attack are wholly fictional, based entirely on opportunistic opinions and interpretations designed by evil men.

 

[hadit]

Schiff directed Vindman not to answer certain questions from Republicans

I applaud Chairman Schiff for preventing NaziCons like Gym Jordan and Mark Meadows from pushing Lt. Col. Vindman to provide clues as to who the whistleblower is. They were playing a process of elimination game.

Whatever happened to him just telling the truth under oath? More likely, Schiff was protecting himself, because he had contact with the whistle blower before the complaint was made.

 

[Oldstyle]

He got illegal wire taps on a member of the Press by going to a judge and telling them that Rosen was an unindicted coconspirator when that wasn't the case! They had nothing criminal on Rosen! They were trying to plug leaks from inside the White House!

That was just the first time Barry and his merry band lied to Federal judges though...isn't it!

so a judge granted him wire taps but they are illegal? Do you see the flaw in your argument?

The judge granted the wire taps because he believed that the Justice Department was being honest when they informed him that James Rosen was an unindicted coconspirator. When you LIE to get a wire tap approved by a judge then YES you've been given an illegal wire tap! It disgusts me that nobody from Obama's Justice Department was ever brought up on criminal charges for what they did. It was something Nixon didn't come close to attempting...just like when Obama used the IRS to target his political opponents...THAT was something that out Nixoned, Nixon!

they said he was a possible co-conspirator... why can’t you be accurate?

The FBI accused Rosen of having already committed a crime or of being in the process of committing a crime in their application for wire taps. That isn't a "possible" co-conspirator...that's a co-conspirator! So tell me why Rosen was never ever charged with a crime if he supposedly had committed one? The answer to that question is rather simple...it's because a crime was never committed...something the FBI knew only too well!

what was their wording of the accusation?

"...there is probable cause to believe that the Reporter has committed or is committing a violation of section 793 (d), as an aider and abettor and/or co-conspirator, to which the materials relate."

Now the reason that Rosen was never CHARGED with a violation of section 793 (d) is that it isn't against the law for a reporter to report classified information because they are protected by the first amendment of the Constitution, freedom of the press! Something that the Obama Administration shit all over when obtaining those wiretaps!

 

[Nostra]

He didn't attack the media that supported him but if you didn't...then he used his Justice Department against you! Or have you forgotten what Barry did to James Rosen or how his Administration set a record for denying Freedom of Information requests in 2014 and then beat that record in 2015! Trump rails against the Main Stream Media but his bark is always worse than his bite...Barack Obama on the other hand had his Justice Department label Rosen as an unindicted coconspirator when he KNEW that was complete bullshit! Trump hasn't done anything even remotely close to that!

Obamas DOJ went after Rosens communications because of national security concerns that led to a guilty plea from a state department contractor for leaking North Korean nuclear test intel. How in the world are you comparing that to Trumps propaganda campaign?

But he went after Rosen, a journalist. Unprecedented.
Obama even tapped Rosen's parent's phone. Definitely unprecedented.


But you dismiss all of that because you are a hack.

the DOJ and FBI did the surveillance, again, for nation security reasons which revolved around leaking North Korea nuclear activity, something that actually happened. I doubt they came at it hard and got deserves scrutiny which cause a change in the guidelines of how they sought intel in the future

Um, Barry Hussein targeted journalists. End of story. You idiotic spin won' t work.

Dismissed.

spoken like somebody who can’t make a valid argument... thanks for playing.

I linked to the top 5 ways Obama went after the media. Is that really the best ya got?

 

[Slade3200]

why is it irrelevant?

Because Clinton committed the crime, not the investigation.

So what’s your complaint about investigating Trump?

It's not an investigation, but a fiction collaboration intended to bring down an election.

how was it different from Clinton’s investigation prior to the perjury?

Clinton's behavior created a situation affecting national security by opening up the office of the presidency to foreign extortion/blackmail.

Accusations against Trump in the Democrats' attack are wholly fictional, based entirely on opportunistic opinions and interpretations designed by evil men.

why wasn’t Clinton impeached for the extortion/blackmail business?

 

[Slade3200]

so a judge granted him wire taps but they are illegal? Do you see the flaw in your argument?

The judge granted the wire taps because he believed that the Justice Department was being honest when they informed him that James Rosen was an unindicted coconspirator. When you LIE to get a wire tap approved by a judge then YES you've been given an illegal wire tap! It disgusts me that nobody from Obama's Justice Department was ever brought up on criminal charges for what they did. It was something Nixon didn't come close to attempting...just like when Obama used the IRS to target his political opponents...THAT was something that out Nixoned, Nixon!

they said he was a possible co-conspirator... why can’t you be accurate?

The FBI accused Rosen of having already committed a crime or of being in the process of committing a crime in their application for wire taps. That isn't a "possible" co-conspirator...that's a co-conspirator! So tell me why Rosen was never ever charged with a crime if he supposedly had committed one? The answer to that question is rather simple...it's because a crime was never committed...something the FBI knew only too well!

what was their wording of the accusation?

"...there is probable cause to believe that the Reporter has committed or is committing a violation of section 793 (d), as an aider and abettor and/or co-conspirator, to which the materials relate."

Now the reason that Rosen was never CHARGED with a violation of section 793 (d) is that it isn't against the law for a reporter to report classified information because they are protected by the first amendment of the Constitution, freedom of the press! Something that the Obama Administration shit all over when obtaining those wiretaps!

so they didn’t charge Rosen, got a guilty plea from the criminal leaker and then changed the rules to provide more protections for citizens because their aggressive actions caused negative backlash. You’re stretching for outrage at this point