Sarkozy says burqas are 'not welcome' in France

[nia588]

Or like when Conservatives who know rich people own this country call America socialist.

Hey, we feel uncomfortable with burka's. I say ban them.

And we are finding out that muslim women only wear them because their men force them to. Banning them would be something I support because they kill us over there for being christian, yet they come over and flaunt their shit in our face. And they made UofM Dearborn campus install foot bath's in the bathrooms. They were washing their feet in the bathroom sinks. So we bend for them all the time and they don't assimilate with us. And they live here tax free and still side with Bin Ladin. Fuck them! Take off the fucking burka or go back to Saudi Arabia.

You can't wear a ski mask into court, can you?

You can't go out in your underwear, can you?

So ban burka's.

The first point i'd like to bring up is that just because you feel uncomfortable around someone wearing a certain piece of clothing doesn't it make it a right to ban it. i personally feel uncomfortable with some of these men walking around with no shirt on or with their draws hanging out or these women wearing these short shorts with fat haning out. but hey it's a free country so they can do whatever.

secondly, Most (and i say most because there is a minority of Muslim women who wear niqab because their fathers or husbands force them to wear it) muslim women choose to wear niqab. they don't wear it because of a man. they do it because they want to. i know many muslim women who choose the wear the niqab and they love it. many of them are actually american convert women. and even my arab friends who wear it they started wearing because they felt as though it was the right choice for them. so to say Muslim women wear because men force them is wrong. i know of woman who was forced to dress in revealing clothes and high heels all the time by her man and she was a good ol christian. but that's not to say all women who dress in revealing clothing are forced to wear it.


thirdly, where are getting that christians get killed in the mid east? I lived in the mid east for 11 years. and no one is killing any christians in fact they got churches all over the freakin place. and even in saudi where they don't have churches they are not killing any Christians.

fourthly, ummm are you that ignorant? living tax free? are you for real? Muslims have to pay taxes just like everyone else. everyone Muslim I know who lives in the United States pay their taxes everywhere.

lastly, you are assuming that women who wear burka are all arab. whereas that's not the case. there are tons of American and European women who choose to wear the face veil. just go to a city like Philly and you'll tons of homegrown American women walking around in niqab.

 

[Anguille]

The discussion about Sarkozy is very hot here in France. Indeed he's received as a racist, thats why he won election. He made rebell the whites against blacks and arabs, as last solution to win his election. Telling everyone to leave the country if they're not happy here. But honestly how can you be happy in a country that practises violence, separation, segragation, racism etc and all other forms of -ion and -ism. I notice that daily, I even ask myself if the situation is worse here or there in the US? I think there just more treacherous here.

Yasmin, are you in France or Germany? Your location indicates Germany.

France is country of contradictions. I lived in France for a few years and though I think the French are becoming less racist I think the situation there is still worse than it is in the US.

For one thing, the French often have a hard time even admitting they could be racist. At least the US acknowledges the problem exists.

Sarko is an idiot.

 

[Anguille]

secondly, Most (and i say most because there is a minority of Muslim women who wear niqab because their fathers or husbands force them to wear it) muslim women choose to wear niqab. they don't wear it because of a man. they do it because they want to. i know many muslim women who choose the wear the niqab and they love it. many of them are actually american convert women. and even my arab friends who wear it they started wearing because they felt as though it was the right choice for them. so to say Muslim women wear because men force them is wrong. i know of woman who was forced to dress in revealing clothes and high heels all the time by her man and she was a good ol christian. but that's not to say all women who dress in revealing clothing are forced to wear it.

Yeah, the hijab issue is not well understood by a lot of people, not excluding myself.

I think it's because it went so quickly from being a symbol of oppression in some people's eyes to becoming a symbol of Muslim women expressing their pride in being Muslim and refusing to be made to think they are being submissive when they wear it. The only Muslim female friend I have who currently wears one did not wear one when she was growing up nor did her mother. She had a sort of religious awakening a few years ago after experiencing a difficult period in her life. Her 11 year old daughter shows no signs of wanting to start wearing hijab and her parents have no intention of forcing her to. They believe their children must truly want to join them in their religion and not feel they have to just to please their parents. That would not indicate true faith in their eyes.

 

[Yasmin]

The discussion about Sarkozy is very hot here in France. Indeed he's received as a racist, thats why he won election. He made rebell the whites against blacks and arabs, as last solution to win his election. Telling everyone to leave the country if they're not happy here. But honestly how can you be happy in a country that practises violence, separation, segragation, racism etc and all other forms of -ion and -ism. I notice that daily, I even ask myself if the situation is worse here or there in the US? I think there just more treacherous here.

Yasmin, are you in France or Germany? Your location indicates Germany.

France is country of contradictions. I lived in France for a few years and though I think the French are becoming less racist I think the situation there is still worse than it is in the US.

For one thing, the French often have a hard time even admitting they could be racist. At least the US acknowledges the problem exists.

Sarko is an idiot.

Hey thanks for your answer, no I am originally from Germany, but have been living in France for two years now, paris and nice. That interests me, tell me please why do you think there is less racism in France than in the us?

 

[Yasmin]

ah ok i see you agree that there is more racism in france. yeah thats definitely right, but, how did you get to know this? which indicators?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Okay, put the burqa issue aside and pardon me taking my subject off topic..

The victim in the case of France, is a muslim woman.

I have to enlighten up the case of Saudi's women who cant go outside alone. Without the company of her male relatives (brother, father and husband), they are not allowed.

If we are really so concerned about the muslim women, why dont we take out real problems they are facing ?
In Saudi's case, state is a muslim state, Govt is muslim, legislators and legislations are muslim, nation is muslim, men are muslims, women are muslims .. And that such unjust in a muslim states with the muslim nation is really wrong. ..

Where the muslims are not spare from their muslim care takers .. Why are we that concerned for the muslim wowen of a christian state ??

Well there are many things to address if we want to discuss equality, but just because one place is 'worse' doesn't make it okay to be stupid in France...

And is Saudi Arabia REALLY that Islamic? I thought there was a King/royal family there... and that seems un-Islamic to me, correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no such thing as 'royal' or 'divine' blood is there?


Sort of like China calling itself communist when it has millionaires and poor people...

Or like when Conservatives who know rich people own this country call America socialist.

Hey, we feel uncomfortable with burka's. I say ban them.

And we are finding out that muslim women only wear them because their men force them to. Banning them would be something I support because they kill us over there for being christian, yet they come over and flaunt their shit in our face. And they made UofM Dearborn campus install foot bath's in the bathrooms. They were washing their feet in the bathroom sinks. So we bend for them all the time and they don't assimilate with us. And they live here tax free and still side with Bin Ladin. Fuck them! Take off the fucking burka or go back to Saudi Arabia.

You can't wear a ski mask into court, can you?

You can't go out in your underwear, can you?

So ban burka's.

Never attribute to malice to sealybobo that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

 

[Anguille]

The discussion about Sarkozy is very hot here in France. Indeed he's received as a racist, thats why he won election. He made rebell the whites against blacks and arabs, as last solution to win his election. Telling everyone to leave the country if they're not happy here. But honestly how can you be happy in a country that practises violence, separation, segragation, racism etc and all other forms of -ion and -ism. I notice that daily, I even ask myself if the situation is worse here or there in the US? I think there just more treacherous here.

Yasmin, are you in France or Germany? Your location indicates Germany.

France is country of contradictions. I lived in France for a few years and though I think the French are becoming less racist I think the situation there is still worse than it is in the US.

For one thing, the French often have a hard time even admitting they could be racist. At least the US acknowledges the problem exists.

Sarko is an idiot.

Hey thanks for your answer, no I am originally from Germany, but have been living in France for two years now, paris and nice. That interests me, tell me please why do you think there is less racism in France than in the us?

You misread my post. I believe France has a worse problem with racism than the US.

 

[Anguille]

ah ok i see you agree that there is more racism in france. yeah thats definitely right, but, how did you get to know this? which indicators?

Oh. Nevermind my post above.

I haven't much time to day but will try to get back to you later in the week. It's an interesting subject.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

The burkha and jihab are the same thing as a klan hood or a nazi uniform, hate speech met to intimidate.
if you dont wear one in Islamic ghettos you are considered a whore .

 

[nia588]

The burkha and jihab are the same thing as a klan hood or a nazi uniform, hate speech met to intimidate.
if you dont wear one in Islamic ghettos you are considered a whore .

that's nonsense. explain how is a headscarf or niqab intimidating and hateful? there are Jewish people who wear religious clothing. sikhs wear a turban. even some christian women cover their heads.

it's only people's bigotry which views Muslim women dress as hateful.

 

[L.K.Eder]

The burkha and jihab are the same thing as a klan hood or a nazi uniform, hate speech met to intimidate.
if you dont wear one in Islamic ghettos you are considered a whore .

jihab, huh?

 

[Liability]

The burkha and jihab are the same thing as a klan hood or a nazi uniform, hate speech met to intimidate.
if you dont wear one in Islamic ghettos you are considered a whore .

jihab, huh?

It is the hijab for jihads, perhaps?

 

[Liability]

Check it out.

India TV :: World News >> French Ban Burka + Bikini ‘Burkini’ Swimsuit

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

The burkha and jihab are the same thing as a klan hood or a nazi uniform, hate speech met to intimidate.
if you dont wear one in Islamic ghettos you are considered a whore .

that's nonsense. explain how is a headscarf or niqab intimidating and hateful? there are Jewish people who wear religious clothing. sikhs wear a turban. even some christian women cover their heads.

it's only people's bigotry which views Muslim women dress as hateful.

Do not try to equate objecting to Islams supremacy ideology to bigotry .

 

[PoliticalChic]

A burka is a blessing when you're having a bad hair day and nothing decent to wear.

Or you could just wear a hat.

A Muslim woman garbed in a head-to-toe swimsuit - dubbed a "burquini" - may have opened a new chapter in France's tussle between religious practices and its stern secular code.

Officials say they banned the woman's use of the Islam-friendly suit at a local pool because of France's pool hygiene standards - not out of hostility to overtly Muslim garb.

Under the policy, swimmers are not allowed in pools with baggy clothing, including surfer-style shorts. Only figure-hugging suits are permitted.

Nonetheless the woman, a 35-year-old convert to Islam identified only as Carole, complained of religious discrimination after trying to go swimming in a "burquini," a full-body swimsuit, in the town of Emerainville, southeast of Paris.

She was quoted as telling the daily Le Parisien newspaper that she had bought the burquini after deciding "it would allow me the pleasure of bathing without showing too much of myself, as Islam recommends."

"For me this is nothing but segregation," she said.

The issue of religious attire is a hot topic in France, where head-to-toe burqas or other full-body coverings worn by some Muslim fundamentalists are in official disfavour.

French pool bans Muslim swimwear | Stuff.co.nz

 

[PoliticalChic]

thirdly, where are getting that christians get killed in the mid east? I lived in the mid east for 11 years. and no one is killing any christians in fact they got churches all over the freakin place. and even in saudi where they don't have churches they are not killing any Christians.

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Four Christians arrested in Egypt
Egyptian government openly discriminates the Christians of Egypt
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Two Copts die from injuries from attacks in Udaysat
Protestant Pastor Killed in Egypt after Threats
Christian Woman Tortured for Helping Converts Change their ID Cards
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Christian cobbler knifed for Offhand Comment
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Christian convert from Islam jailed
Convert Arrested for Marrying Christian
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Another Priest Feared Kidnapped
Kidnappers Murder Church Elder in Mosul
Islamic Group Beheads Assyrian Priest, Crucifies 14 Year Old Boy in North Iraq
Christian Sisters Slain in Robbery Attempt
Baghdad Christians Flee Forced Conversion
Assailants Gun Down Priest, Deacons
Christians Targeted in Baghdad
Enraged Muslim Chops Off Christian's Arm
Pakistani Christian-Falsely Accused, Tortured and Murdered Protestors Take His Dead Body To The Streets In Protest
Another Christian Child Raped in Pakistan
Nine Year Old Christian Girl Sexually Assaulted as Punishment for War in Iraq
Pakistani Priest Gunned Down
Pakistani Christian dies of torture at hands of Islamists
Second Pakistani Christian tortured to death by police in four months
Christian persecution in Pakistan - Reports
55 year Christian mother Hanifan Bibi abducted, stripped and tortured in front of husband and sons by Muslim gangsters.
Christians besieged in Pakistan
Pastor and Driver Murdered in Pakistan and Multilated for Evangelising Muslims in Pakistan
2 Christians arrested for blasphemy charge, despite the lack of witnesses
2500 Strong Muslim Mob set alight 3 Churces, Christian School, Houses of Christian families and Priests
More blasphemy law violence against Christians in Pakistan
Pakistan Hindu girls forced to convert to Islam
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Bible Society Center in Gaza Temporarily Closed after Threat
Kidnapped Journalists – Centanni And Wiig - Forced To Convert To Islam At Gunpoint
Christians under the Palestinian Authority Persecuted
Christian Graves Desecrated In The West Bank
Palestinians Burn Dozens of Holy Jewish Books
Palestinians Beat and Rob Church Official and his Wife
Christians Imprisoned, Beaten for Worship of Jesus
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Christians claim torture by Saudis
Four Christians arrested in Saudi Arabia for praying at home
More Christians arrested in Saudi Arabia raid.
Christian Engineer Arrested in Saudi Arabia
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[Mr.Fitnah]

August 16, 2009

Nigeria: Jihadists demolish 20 churches, murder three pastors
And as always, the world yawns. Yet just consider the international publicity, and outcry, this would provoke if the perpetrators and victims were reversed.

"3 pastors killed, 20 churches demolished in Nigeria violence," from the Baptist Press, August 13 (thanks to DFS):

MAIDUGURI, Nigeria (BP)--Twelve Christians, including three pastors, were killed and 20 churches were demolished in Nigeria amid escalating religiously motivated violence, prompting a call for government intervention.
Conflicts between Christians and Muslims have gone largely unchecked by the Nigerian government, and the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom this year placed the African nation on its list of "countries of particular concern."

International Christian Concern, a U.S.-based human rights group, is asking people to sign a petition calling on Nigerian officials to bring perpetrators to justice and work to prevent further attacks. The petition is accessible at persecution.org/suffering/petitions. ICC also is asking concerned citizens to contact the Nigerian Embassy in Washington at 202-986-8400.

In a report Aug. 6, ICC said the attacks that occurred July 26 in Maiduguri were instigated by Boko Haram, a group that opposes Western education and fights to impose sharia law throughout Nigeria, including areas that are largely Christian.

Sabo Yakubu, a husband, father of seven and pastor of a Church of Christ congregation, was hacked to death by a machete, ICC said. Also killed were Sylvester Akpan, pastor of National Evangelical Mission, and George Orji, pastor of Good News of Christ Church.

"Mohammed Yusuf, the Islamic sect leader who initially said their targets were government property and security agencies, later changed and started setting ablaze churches and killing pastors who had nothing to do with their activities," Yuguda Zubagai Ndurvuwa, chairman of the Christian Association of Nigeria, said in a statement reported by ICC....

 

[nia588]

thirdly, where are getting that christians get killed in the mid east? I lived in the mid east for 11 years. and no one is killing any christians in fact they got churches all over the freakin place. and even in saudi where they don't have churches they are not killing any Christians.

One Thousand Christian Men, Women & Children Tortured by Police in a Period of 30 Days
Egypt jails two Christian Human-Rights activists for "defaming Islam"
3 Christian churches in Egypt attacked on Easter Sunday
Christian Girls Kidnapped In Egypt And Forced To Convert To Islam
Christian Girl Escapes Muslim Kidnappers
Persecuting Egypt's Christians
Four Christians arrested in Egypt
Egyptian government openly discriminates the Christians of Egypt
Confessions of a Former Islamist who used to lure Christian girls into Islam through deceptive methods
Faith Under Fire in Egypt
Coptic Christian Killed in Knife Raids on Egypt Churches
22 Christians Arrested in Egyptian Crackdown on Converts
Extremists attack Coptic Christians
Two Copts die from injuries from attacks in Udaysat
Protestant Pastor Killed in Egypt after Threats
Christian Woman Tortured for Helping Converts Change their ID Cards
Egypt Christians Persecution Profile
Christian cobbler knifed for Offhand Comment
More Egyptian girls forced to convert to Islam
Christian convert from Islam jailed
Convert Arrested for Marrying Christian
Egyptian Christians Sent to Prison after Brutal Police Raid
Rumor Leads To Attack On Christians
Copt Leaving Sanctuary Knifed In Minya; Bomb Explodes Near Venerable Structure In Cairo
Egypt's Christians Protest Forced Conversion of Children
Muslim Attacks Church and Sexually Molests a Coptic Girl
Thousands of Muslims Attack Coptic Church, Barricading 800 Christians Inside
Muslims Kill 1 Worshiper In Church Attacks, Nearly Beheading Another and Leaving 23 Injured
Churches And Christians Attacked By Muslim Mob Shouting Anti-West Slogans, Injuring 2
Mob of 300 Muslims Kill Six Christians, Leaving 15 Others Seriously Wounded
Muslim Militants Kill Evangelist; More Violence Feared
Muslims Gun Down Two Christians Building a Church
Mob rampages to ensure non-Muslim businesses close for Ramadan
Christians in Indonesia Flee Their Homes as Attacks Spread
Muslim mob closes Christian church in Indonesia
Mob Destroys Church in South Sulawesi
Authorities close 17 Churches in Islamic Shariah Province Aceh
Three Christian Women Jailed For Inviting Muslim Children to Church Activities
Police have ordered the closure of 2 Churches in West Java
Christian Villages Burn Again in Central Indonesia
More Violence against Christians in Sulawesi, Over 2,000 people evacuated
Catholic Church Compound under Jihad Militant Attack
Islamic Forces Surround 50,000 Indonesian Christians
Blast Hits Churches Across Iraq, 11 Dead & 75 Injured
Christian Killed in Iraq in Response to Pope Benedict XVI Speech
Kidnappers Demand Huge Ransom for Bishop
Serial Attacks on Churches Continue
Gunmen Kill Christians in Kirkuk
Targeted by Death Squads: Campaign of "Sexual Cleansing" Has Led to Executions of Many Homosexuals
Another Priest Feared Kidnapped
Kidnappers Murder Church Elder in Mosul
Islamic Group Beheads Assyrian Priest, Crucifies 14 Year Old Boy in North Iraq
Christian Sisters Slain in Robbery Attempt
Baghdad Christians Flee Forced Conversion
Assailants Gun Down Priest, Deacons
Christians Targeted in Baghdad
Enraged Muslim Chops Off Christian's Arm
Pakistani Christian-Falsely Accused, Tortured and Murdered Protestors Take His Dead Body To The Streets In Protest
Another Christian Child Raped in Pakistan
Nine Year Old Christian Girl Sexually Assaulted as Punishment for War in Iraq
Pakistani Priest Gunned Down
Pakistani Christian dies of torture at hands of Islamists
Second Pakistani Christian tortured to death by police in four months
Christian persecution in Pakistan - Reports
55 year Christian mother Hanifan Bibi abducted, stripped and tortured in front of husband and sons by Muslim gangsters.
Christians besieged in Pakistan
Pastor and Driver Murdered in Pakistan and Multilated for Evangelising Muslims in Pakistan
2 Christians arrested for blasphemy charge, despite the lack of witnesses
2500 Strong Muslim Mob set alight 3 Churces, Christian School, Houses of Christian families and Priests
More blasphemy law violence against Christians in Pakistan
Pakistan Hindu girls forced to convert to Islam
Hamas Forcibly Converted Christian Woman to Islam
Director of Gaza's Only Christian Bookstore - Publicly Tortured and Stabbed, Before Being Shot to Death
Bible Society Center in Gaza Temporarily Closed after Threat
Kidnapped Journalists – Centanni And Wiig - Forced To Convert To Islam At Gunpoint
Christians under the Palestinian Authority Persecuted
Christian Graves Desecrated In The West Bank
Palestinians Burn Dozens of Holy Jewish Books
Palestinians Beat and Rob Church Official and his Wife
Christians Imprisoned, Beaten for Worship of Jesus
Saudis arrest 40 Christians for praying
Saudi Arabia Continues Crackdown on Christians
Christians claim torture by Saudis
Four Christians arrested in Saudi Arabia for praying at home
More Christians arrested in Saudi Arabia raid.
Christian Engineer Arrested in Saudi Arabia
Indian Christian Arrested, Tortured in Saudi Arabia
Tortured Indian Christian before Islamic Court in Saudi Arabia
Saudi jailed for discussing the Bible
Two Filipino Christians Beheaded

Persecution of non-Muslims - WikiIslam

these are isolated incidents. these incidents are not that common. it's only the media taking these incidents and making it out to be like it happens every day. i've lived in the mid east for 11 years. i've been living in the mid east since i was 10. i went to school with Muslims and Christians. they have churches. i agree that Saudi is very strict. but they do not make up the majority of the mid east. majority of mid east allows Christians to practice their religion.

if you want to get into incidents. i could tell you tons of stories of Muslims being attacked right here in America. I know one woman who became Muslim. and some people in her town shot out her windows. another indecent where a group of Muslim girls were attacked by these group of racist redneck. but do these incidents mean that as a nation America oppresses Muslims? no it doesn't mean that. but i will say this country is ignorant about what goes on the Middle east. if you were to just visit the mid east you'd be quite surprise at how open many of the countries are.

 

[mystic]

Sarkozy banning burka is as bad as Taliban mandating them. So France wants to be like Iran and Saudi and institute dresscode?

The only problem I can see with burka is obtaining driver's license or being allowed to enter banks. But that is the choice they would have to make, neither are "rights". Choosing what to wear should be.