Sarah Brady Dead at 73

[Pogo]

Where have you been the last fifty years? There are hundreds of regulations telling how cars should be built, roads constructed and drivers regulated
It has saved tens of thousands of lives

Too bad we can't do the same with guns

same with guns moron.

Do we register guns?
Do we license owners?
Do we require insurance?

Not even close

Owning firearms is a constitutional right, owning a car is not.

That's a completely false analogy anyway. Cars are made for transport, not shooting. Guns are made for shooting.

yeah and yet cars are the instrument of death in so many more cases even though they aren't intended for offensive use

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

 

[Pogo]

Where have you been the last fifty years? There are hundreds of regulations telling how cars should be built, roads constructed and drivers regulated
It has saved tens of thousands of lives

Too bad we can't do the same with guns

same with guns moron.

Do we register guns?
Do we license owners?
Do we require insurance?

Not even close

Owning firearms is a constitutional right, owning a car is not.

That's a completely false analogy anyway. Cars are made for transport, not shooting. Guns are made for shooting.

Tell that to RW, he's the one who was comparing them.

Henry brought it in here.
And then of course, true to form, ran away.

 

[turtledude]

same with guns moron.

Do we register guns?
Do we license owners?
Do we require insurance?

Not even close

Owning firearms is a constitutional right, owning a car is not.

That's a completely false analogy anyway. Cars are made for transport, not shooting. Guns are made for shooting.

yeah and yet cars are the instrument of death in so many more cases even though they aren't intended for offensive use

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

 

[Pogo]

Do we register guns?
Do we license owners?
Do we require insurance?

Not even close

Owning firearms is a constitutional right, owning a car is not.

That's a completely false analogy anyway. Cars are made for transport, not shooting. Guns are made for shooting.

yeah and yet cars are the instrument of death in so many more cases even though they aren't intended for offensive use

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

 

[S.J.]

Owning firearms is a constitutional right, owning a car is not.

That's a completely false analogy anyway. Cars are made for transport, not shooting. Guns are made for shooting.

yeah and yet cars are the instrument of death in so many more cases even though they aren't intended for offensive use

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

Sorry, pogo, I just couldn't resist.

 

[turtledude]

Owning firearms is a constitutional right, owning a car is not.

That's a completely false analogy anyway. Cars are made for transport, not shooting. Guns are made for shooting.

yeah and yet cars are the instrument of death in so many more cases even though they aren't intended for offensive use

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

 

[Pogo]

That's a completely false analogy anyway. Cars are made for transport, not shooting. Guns are made for shooting.

yeah and yet cars are the instrument of death in so many more cases even though they aren't intended for offensive use

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

Horseshit, they are not.

 

[S.J.]

yeah and yet cars are the instrument of death in so many more cases even though they aren't intended for offensive use

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

Horseshit, they are not.

Yes, they are. Prove him wrong.

 

[Pogo]

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

Horseshit, they are not.

Yes, they are. Prove him wrong.

He made the assertion-- it's his to prove.

 

[S.J.]

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

Horseshit, they are not.

Yes, they are. Prove him wrong.

He made the assertion-- it's his to prove.

You mean the Harry Reid standard doesn't apply here?

 

[Pogo]

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

Horseshit, they are not.

Yes, they are. Prove him wrong.

He made the assertion-- it's his to prove.

I was not able to find stats on homicides by motor vehicle but according to this estimate, gun deaths are about to eclipse ALL deaths from motor vehicles, including accidents, which would have to be 99+% of that total number anyway.

In oth4er words it's not even anywhere near remotely close. Nowhere near remotely near.

It just doesn't make sense if you're going to kill somebody, given a choice of gun or car, to choose the latter. Just as you wouldn't use a rifle to fish an errant piece of bread out of the toaster.

The comparison completely fails.

 

[2aguy]

Pogo....you have to stop buying anti-gun nut propaganda....they let their irrational fear of guns compromise their ability to tell the truth.....

Are guns more likely to kill you than a car is No - Crime Prevention Research Center

Here is the letter that we submitted:


Dear Letters Editor:


Your “Bangers v bullets” (Jan 10th) misleadingly claims that car deaths have fallen more than guns deaths because cars face more safety regulations.


Compare similar categories. While 99.4% of car deaths arise from accidents in 2013, that percentage is only 1.5% for guns. 64% of gun fatalities are suicides. If increased safety regulations are the solution, why is it that between 2000 and 2012 accidental deaths from cars fell by 18% and those from guns by 35%?


Gun deaths are rising because there has been a 28% increase in firearm suicides. But non-firearm suicides increased even faster (56%) –something is causing suicides generally to rise.


Despite your claim, domestic violence simply doesn’t account for a large share of gun deaths — only 3% of gun deaths in 2012 involved murders of immediate or extended family members.


The regulations you mention do real harm. About 99 percent of background check denials under the Brady Act are false positives, not criminals. Some denials mean people can’t defend themselves.


As for gun deaths for 15-24 year olds, most involve gang fights. One solution: Try legalizing drugs.


Regards,


The claim that total automobile deaths have fallen relative to firearm deaths can be seen in this figure, though it is also clear that the drop occurred during the recession of 2008 and 2009 (part of that drop is due in part to some reduction in driving).





The types of deaths by cause show that auto accidents are overwhelmingly accidental deaths and those by firearms are suicides.





There are two problems with the claim that regulations are responsible for the drop in accidental motor vehicle deaths . First, virtually the entire drop occurred in two years during the recession (2008 and 2009) and it is hard to think of any new regulations that would produce such a sudden and large drop (most regulations would have a gradual impact over time has new cars with those features made up a greater and greater share of the cars on the road). Most likely the drop occurred because of changing driving habits (such as some reduction in how much people drove). It is because of this point that we are unlikely to see firearm deaths exceed motor vehicle deaths in 2015.


The long sustained high gasoline prices since the beginning of the Obama administration also had an impact. From the beginning of 2011 until the end of November 2014, the price of gasoline never fell before $3.00 a gallon. One has to go back to the beginning of the Obama administration to find gas prices as low as they have now gone. The new lower prices of gas at about $2 will probably also increase driving distances, particularly if the prices stay low for a while.

 

[rightwinger]

That's a completely false analogy anyway. Cars are made for transport, not shooting. Guns are made for shooting.

yeah and yet cars are the instrument of death in so many more cases even though they aren't intended for offensive use

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

We have had hundreds of thousand of fatalities due to auto accidents

So many in fact that we insisted on safer cars, better roads, insurance, licensed drivers, tougher driving laws. All of these have combined to reduce our auto fatality rate in half

Why cant we do the same with our gun fatality rate?

 

[2aguy]

yeah and yet cars are the instrument of death in so many more cases even though they aren't intended for offensive use

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

We have had hundreds of thousand of fatalities due to auto accidents

So many in fact that we insisted on safer cars, better roads, insurance, licensed drivers, tougher driving laws. All of these have combined to reduce our auto fatality rate in half

Why cant we do the same with our gun fatality rate?

Because you can't stop people killing themselves...

 

[rightwinger]

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

We have had hundreds of thousand of fatalities due to auto accidents

So many in fact that we insisted on safer cars, better roads, insurance, licensed drivers, tougher driving laws. All of these have combined to reduce our auto fatality rate in half

Why cant we do the same with our gun fatality rate?

Because you can't stop people killing themselves...

I laughed when I saw your suicide statistics

Why do you so easily dismiss suicide? Those deaths don't matter?

Suicide by gun is different than suicide by other means. A suicide attempt by gun is instantneous and permanent. Lets look at the second most popular method of suicide....pills
Take an overdose and you have time to change your mind and call for help. You can be found unconscious and revived
A bullet to the head does not give you that luxury

 

[turtledude]

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

We have had hundreds of thousand of fatalities due to auto accidents

So many in fact that we insisted on safer cars, better roads, insurance, licensed drivers, tougher driving laws. All of these have combined to reduce our auto fatality rate in half

Why cant we do the same with our gun fatality rate?

Because you can't stop people killing themselves...

I laughed when I saw your suicide statistics

Why do you so easily dismiss suicide? Those deaths don't matter?

Suicide by gun is different than suicide by other means. A suicide attempt by gun is instantneous and permanent. Lets look at the second most popular method of suicide....pills
Take an overdose and you have time to change your mind and call for help. You can be found unconscious and revived
A bullet to the head does not give you that luxury

so why should guns be restricted with a penalty for disobedience to prevent suicides? and how does the threat of penalty deter a suicide?

 

[turtledude]

yeah and yet cars are the instrument of death in so many more cases even though they aren't intended for offensive use

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

We have had hundreds of thousand of fatalities due to auto accidents

So many in fact that we insisted on safer cars, better roads, insurance, licensed drivers, tougher driving laws. All of these have combined to reduce our auto fatality rate in half

Why cant we do the same with our gun fatality rate?

we have sold more and more guns and yet gun accidents have decreased as has gun crime

more people driving does not decrease accidents. More people packing heat decreases gun crime

 

[turtledude]

Gun banners don't understand that most car deaths come from people using the cars as intended but negligently. Most gun deaths come from people MISUSING the weapons DELIBERATELY. Trying to extrapolate what decreases negligent CAR ACCIDENTS to DELIBERATE criminal misuse of firearms is patently idiotic

 

[rightwinger]

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

We have had hundreds of thousand of fatalities due to auto accidents

So many in fact that we insisted on safer cars, better roads, insurance, licensed drivers, tougher driving laws. All of these have combined to reduce our auto fatality rate in half

Why cant we do the same with our gun fatality rate?

Because you can't stop people killing themselves...

I laughed when I saw your suicide statistics

Why do you so easily dismiss suicide? Those deaths don't matter?

Suicide by gun is different than suicide by other means. A suicide attempt by gun is instantneous and permanent. Lets look at the second most popular method of suicide....pills
Take an overdose and you have time to change your mind and call for help. You can be found unconscious and revived
A bullet to the head does not give you that luxury

so why should guns be restricted with a penalty for disobedience to prevent suicides? and how does the threat of penalty deter a suicide?

Depressed people should not have access to guns
Soldiers diagnosed with PTSD should not have access to guns

The NRA makes sure they do

 

[rightwinger]

And junk food, a lot more than that. What's your point?

that guns are not nearly as dangerous as cars

I suspect if lefties perceived car owners as mainly being Conservatives or Republicans, lefties would try to ban cars.

STILL completely false analogy. Guns are made to shoot; cars aren't. You can't sit in a tree or in the trunk of a Chevy or behind a bush on a grassy knoll and pick people off with a car. Even if you wanted to.

The simple fact remains, cars are made for movement; guns are made for aggression. They're two completely different things.

and yet cars are used to kill far more people than firearms

and you still seem unable to get the point

We have had hundreds of thousand of fatalities due to auto accidents

So many in fact that we insisted on safer cars, better roads, insurance, licensed drivers, tougher driving laws. All of these have combined to reduce our auto fatality rate in half

Why cant we do the same with our gun fatality rate?

we have sold more and more guns and yet gun accidents have decreased as has gun crime

more people driving does not decrease accidents. More people packing heat decreases gun crime

More people "packing heat" has done nothing to decrease crime