BULLDOG
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I guess I don't know how to argue against something like that. You certainly have a unique way of looking at things.
Sanders Shamelessly Pandering to Voters Who Want to Hear Truth
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I guess I don't know how to argue against something like that. You certainly have a unique way of looking at things.
Darkwind
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Do you often rely upon others to tell you what is and is not truth?
That is what the people in the article are doing. They want to hear the truth.......But the kicker is this..
They only want to hear the truth that they already agree with. Sanders is spewing rhetoric that they agree with, so they are getting the 'truth' as they see it.
Then there are some who believe that Trump is spewing the truth......and so they are getting the truth that they believe in.....
The notion that anyone is speaking the truth is not one based in fact, but one based in what that person wants to hear.
It is why today we have the government we have. We get what we deserve.
Anyone who thinks that the answer to life's problems is found at the end of a government program is delusional; hence My stance.
Bernie Sanders is delusional, as he thinks that government is the answer to everything. The people who listen to him, are the Jim Jones followers of today....
Darkwind
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Why argue at all? I'm not out to change your mind, and there is no way in any kinds of nine hells will you ever change Mine.
BULLDOG
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MELTDOWN ALERT!!! MELTDOWN ALERT!!!
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David_42
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Very well thought out post, we need a mix of both systems.
emilynghiem
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The solution is the other way around.
Not abusing big govt to rescue, dictate, and manage for the people.
But for the people on the grassroots level to share the collective responsibility
for managing resources, programs and policies ourselves so
"we the people" are acting as our own govt. That level of "big govt" means democratically
educating, training and rewarding citizens for doing all the work instead of giving up authority
to third party govt.
http://www.ethics-commission.net
We need to work from the grassroots level up,
and quit fighting over control of top down mgmt.
The real leaders we need to hire and appoint are ones who can train and manage
citizens to operate Constitutionally on the local and state levels first, then federal govt will
handle policies unique to the centralized national position that can't be managed locally.
We need to equally distribute the education and experience in laws and govt,
so people can operate sustainably and self-sufficiently, and quit this victim and bully business
of depending on politicians, parties and federal govt to step in with bail outs and mandates.
We need to solve our own problems, then we can participate in democratic govt as equals.
Contumacious
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emilynghiem
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Dear Contumacious
Socialism by choice is different from socialism by coercion.
The definition about ownership under socialistic systems being by "the people collectively as a community"
is DIFFERENT from saying "owned by the govt"
The way govt works these days, especially with city municipalities that aren't directly checked by Constitutional procedures, property and programs being "public" as in owned by the city is not necessarily THE PEOPLE.
And federal govt has gotten equally out of hand and out of the control of the people
due to corporate interests interfering without Constitutional check on those factors either.
So being owned by the people means two opposite things.
If the conservatives want the private sector to have ownership and control of health care,
that's what THEY mean by "owned by the people" is by individual citizens by free choice/maximum civil liberty
and rights reserved to the states and people.
When liberals want protection of the people to be established by federal govt,
then going through govt is what they use to mean THE PEOPLE protecting control.
This is where I think things are falling apart.
Because of corporate politics acting as the middle man, then people don't have this level of control
of govt as intended or imagined. So putting things in the hands of govt divorces it even more from
direct check by the people, and allows corporate hijacking through the parties and politicians to
abuse resources and political process for their interests and not really serving the longterm solutions
required to help the constituents who are divested from ownership and say in the process. It all gets hijacked.
Esmeralda
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Sanders only truth is government sanctioned larceny.
David_42
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Please, elaborate on this horrid larceny. Guaranteed maternity leave? Cutting back police weaponry? Universal healthcare?
Mac1958
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As long as his opponents continue to confuse pure socialism with a Euro-social democracy, people like Sanders will continue to gain popularity.
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David_42
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I know that socialism has changed over time and has different meanings, most people call social security and such socialist so I just roll with it.
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From your link:
I guess his critics don't like truth......as opposed to hearing lies from Trump........that is refreshing.
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Yep that's a good start, he's really good at taking and spending other peoples money.
C_Clayton_Jones
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Most people are ignorant as to what 'socialism' actually is, rightists subscribing to this thread is evidence of that; or that 'socialism' never manifested as 'stand alone' political/economic dogma, where it was always blended with other political and economic philosophies.
And what most people perceive to be 'socialism,' isn't.
Last, Bernie Sanders is not a 'socialist,' he's a traditional New Deal/Fair Deal/Great Society democrat, who is an independent because the Democratic Party abandoned New Deal/Fair Deal/Great Society policies between 1988 and 1992, when liberals were relegated to the political backseat.
And what most people perceive to be 'socialism,' isn't.
Last, Bernie Sanders is not a 'socialist,' he's a traditional New Deal/Fair Deal/Great Society democrat, who is an independent because the Democratic Party abandoned New Deal/Fair Deal/Great Society policies between 1988 and 1992, when liberals were relegated to the political backseat.
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