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Maybe someone will learn the value of other people's money!
Maybe bigots and those envious of others might consider the reality of what police and firefighters do for a living, and what is required of them. At any minute on any shift they may be called upon to risk their own life to protect the property or life of others.
Anyone remember when safety personnel was all VOLUNTEER?
Maybe bigots and those envious of others might consider the reality of what police and firefighters do for a living, and what is required of them. At any minute on any shift they may be called upon to risk their own life to protect the property or life of others.
Yessireee....all taxpayers in Cali are bigots including my great-great grandchildren.
Yessireee... my GG children are 'envious'
CalPERS and CalSTRS encompass many more jobs than safety.
Defined pensions are what make cities go bankrupt.
Cali CAN'T afford this!
Pension Reform Act of 2014, filed with California Secretary of State office 10/15/2013
aiCIO - Californian Unfunded Liabilities: Double What We Thought
(June 13, 2013) - California's unfunded pension liabilities for all state and local governments combined is roughly $329 billion, according to Moody's new actuarial methodnearly double the original estimate of $128 billion.
Remember, unfunded liabilities are NOT in the state budget.
It's true. The pension I receive is obscene when compared to the average Joe. Of course my pension and benefits are miniscule when compared to the salary and benefits of CEO's and CFO's, those who never once ran into harms way. And of course I was responding directly to the post where cops and firefighters were singled out.
Isn't it true a contract is binding? Or do you only believe it to be so when you benefit?
Does the good faith and credit of the government mean anything, or is that so only when you benefit?
The contracts were signed off by elected officials previously approved by a County Manager and his staff. Nothing illegal, no hint of fraud (ever hear of Enron?) and we actually worked (ever see how many days of 'work' the H. of Rep. is in session? When will they take a pay cut, and give up their benefits?).
I think I just heard a sort of squeak from the closet.......
Assuming I am reading between the linkless hyperbole correctly, it is instructive how in this case a local government is looking to break a long held contract with (communist!?!) fire fighters/cops and is considered by this nutball to be fully justified in doing so. But when the discussion is on foreclosures by banks issuing usurious mortgages the teabagger narrative is "sorry sucker, you signed on the dotted line now live with it, buyer beware loooser". What the hell is their fucking problem? A working person/consumer should be able to count on the agreements they make with powerful entities but this growing eagerness on their part to cheer when the little guy loses is terribly worrisome. Pensions are becoming a thing of the past, don't know what the hell these assholes think old people are going to do when personal retirement accounts and SS finally buckle to their relentless onslaught of greed enablement.
Maybe bigots and those envious of others might consider the reality of what police and firefighters do for a living, and what is required of them. At any minute on any shift they may be called upon to risk their own life to protect the property or life of others.
Yessireee....all taxpayers in Cali are bigots including my great-great grandchildren.
Yessireee... my GG children are 'envious'
CalPERS and CalSTRS encompass many more jobs than safety.
Defined pensions are what make cities go bankrupt.
Cali CAN'T afford this!
Pension Reform Act of 2014, filed with California Secretary of State office 10/15/2013
aiCIO - Californian Unfunded Liabilities: Double What We Thought
(June 13, 2013) - California's unfunded pension liabilities for all state and local governments combined is roughly $329 billion, according to Moody's new actuarial methodnearly double the original estimate of $128 billion.
Remember, unfunded liabilities are NOT in the state budget.
It's true. The pension I receive is obscene when compared to the average Joe. Of course my pension and benefits are miniscule when compared to the salary and benefits of CEO's and CFO's, those who never once ran into harms way. And of course I was responding directly to the post where cops and firefighters were singled out.
Isn't it true a contract is binding? Or do you only believe it to be so when you benefit?
Does the good faith and credit of the government mean anything, or is that so only when you benefit?
The contracts were signed off by elected officials previously approved by a County Manager and his staff. Nothing illegal, no hint of fraud (ever hear of Enron?) and we actually worked (ever see how many days of 'work' the H. of Rep. is in session? When will they take a pay cut, and give up their benefits?).
Maybe someone will learn the value of other people's money!
Maybe bigots and those envious of others might consider the reality of what police and firefighters do for a living, and what is required of them. At any minute on any shift they may be called upon to risk their own life to protect the property or life of others.
Yeah. And ?
The money to pay people not to work has run out.
Taxes on property owners have reached their level of the ability of property owners to absorb the expense.
It's OVER.....Government agencies are going to have to figure out another way to fund the retirements of former public workers.
Maybe someone will learn the value of other people's money!
Maybe bigots and those envious of others might consider the reality of what police and firefighters do for a living, and what is required of them. At any minute on any shift they may be called upon to risk their own life to protect the property or life of others.
Maybe bigots and those envious of others might consider the reality of what police and firefighters do for a living, and what is required of them. At any minute on any shift they may be called upon to risk their own life to protect the property or life of others.
Yeah. And ?
The money to pay people not to work has run out.
Taxes on property owners have reached their level of the ability of property owners to absorb the expense.
It's OVER.....Government agencies are going to have to figure out another way to fund the retirements of former public workers.
Ever heard of prop. 13; do some homework and see how well the largest landowners have done since 1978, and how poorly homeowners who purchased after 1978 have faired.
FYI, I was paying $1,700 per month into my retirement the final year before I retired. So don't pretend all gov't workers get a free ride.
Maybe bigots and those envious of others might consider the reality of what police and firefighters do for a living, and what is required of them. At any minute on any shift they may be called upon to risk their own life to protect the property or life of others.
Yeah. And ?
The money to pay people not to work has run out.
Taxes on property owners have reached their level of the ability of property owners to absorb the expense.
It's OVER.....Government agencies are going to have to figure out another way to fund the retirements of former public workers.
Ever heard of prop. 13; do some homework and see how well the largest landowners have done since 1978, and how poorly homeowners who purchased after 1978 have faired.
FYI, I was paying $1,700 per month into my retirement the final year before I retired. So don't pretend all gov't workers get a free ride.
My brother-in-law has been a fireman for 40 years. He's amazing and has served this city proudly. I think he's worth his weight in gold. Unfortunately, his retirement is in jeopardy, like many others across the country. He's earned every benefit he receives, but the money has to be there in order for him to get what he deserves.
I hate it that our town has been overrun with welfare people. The place has gone to hell. Neighborhoods that used to look good are now run down because many homes are rent controlled and no one takes care of them. Police are called to a house down the street frequently. The couple are on welfare and always sitting outside drinking and smoking. They don't work and they are lousy parents. Nice to know our tax dollars are keeping them going. I am sorry, but reading the police log every week proves that this sort of thing isn't rare. It's a damn epidemic.
I don't know how the city can afford to keep paying the police and fire depts. considering there just isn't enough money coming in.
We have many retired police and firemen drawing pensions and that number increases all the time. We pay pensions in addition to the new employees who take their place.
In a perfect world, there would be growth and more people entering the work force each year. That is the only way to ensure that city workers get paid. Without that, everyone is screwed. When able-bodied people who should be working and contributing are sitting home and collecting welfare from the tax payers, things go to shit.
As unfair as it is for any employee not to get the retirement they earned, what other choice is there when the money runs out. Other people's money ALWAYS runs out eventually. I'm surprised that more cities in California haven't gone belly up. There are so many welfare recipients, so much crime and illegal alien gangs fighting with the other minority gangs that many tax payers got the hell out of Dodge. Now cities scramble to find money to keep going and all the protestors in the world won't cause the city to magically find the money.
Maybe someone will learn the value of other people's money!
Maybe bigots and those envious of others might consider the reality of what police and firefighters do for a living, and what is required of them. At any minute on any shift they may be called upon to risk their own life to protect the property or life of others.
In order to get union support, politicians voted to raise union benefits. Next election, politicians had to promise even more to get union support. It became a death spiral. Citizens could never hope to get what these publuc employees were getting. Yet they had to pay it.
It's the same thing with welfare. Politicians promise more and more to be paid by fewer and fewer people. It doesn't look good when it starts falling apart.
I think I just heard a sort of squeak from the closet.......
I oiled it with a bit of 48 hour fun.
Maybe bigots and those envious of others might consider the reality of what police and firefighters do for a living, and what is required of them. At any minute on any shift they may be called upon to risk their own life to protect the property or life of others.
Yessireee....all taxpayers in Cali are bigots including my great-great grandchildren.
Yessireee... my GG children are 'envious'
CalPERS and CalSTRS encompass many more jobs than safety.
Defined pensions are what make cities go bankrupt.
Cali CAN'T afford this!
Pension Reform Act of 2014, filed with California Secretary of State office 10/15/2013
aiCIO - Californian Unfunded Liabilities: Double What We Thought
(June 13, 2013) - California's unfunded pension liabilities for all state and local governments combined is roughly $329 billion, according to Moody's new actuarial methodnearly double the original estimate of $128 billion.
Remember, unfunded liabilities are NOT in the state budget.
It's true. The pension I receive is obscene when compared to the average Joe. Of course my pension and benefits are miniscule when compared to the salary and benefits of CEO's and CFO's, those who never once ran into harms way. And of course I was responding directly to the post where cops and firefighters were singled out.
Isn't it true a contract is binding? Or do you only believe it to be so when you benefit?
Does the good faith and credit of the government mean anything, or is that so only when you benefit?
The contracts were signed off by elected officials previously approved by a County Manager and his staff. Nothing illegal, no hint of fraud (ever hear of Enron?) and we actually worked (ever see how many days of 'work' the H. of Rep. is in session? When will they take a pay cut, and give up their benefits?).
In order to get union support, politicians voted to raise union benefits. Next election, politicians had to promise even more to get union support. It became a death spiral. Citizens could never hope to get what these publuc employees were getting. Yet they had to pay it.
It's the same thing with welfare. Politicians promise more and more to be paid by fewer and fewer people. It doesn't look good when it starts falling apart.
Similar to corporate contributions: putting the leges in business pocket instead of voter pocket.
