salem witch trials

[Lucy Hamilton]

as you can see it was profitable to hunt witches and most of these men has personal issues they blamed on witchcraft

Yes we agree, a lot of those men were f-cked up in the membrane, certainly what we'd call issues and yes, also very profitable.

 

[Tilly]

ahh poor tilly......too busy taking offense to realize most of my posts unlike hers are on topic.....nice to know dhara pyre can be critical of others but damned those being critical of the leakers....

No, the thread is not about Dhara, and you are not in the FZ. Address the OP and quit whining about Dhara or crawl back into your hole.

I realize that Dhara derailed the thread into a combined rwnj and looney mob attack on me.

Would you care to address the topic instead of pursuing your feminist anti-white male agenda?

What feminist anti white male agenda? And how does it relate to the Salem witch trials? Spit it out woman!!!

 

[strollingbones]

o you just wanna watch.....

 

[koshergrl]

The salem witch trials were about government interference in people's lives, including their faith.

That's what happens when you allow the state to dictate what is properly religious, and what isn't.

I didn't get that impression when doing my own research. Two of the girls were eleven and twelve when all this started. Some accounts say the girls were caught up and reveled in the attention they were getting. Important people were paying attention to them. At this time, one of my ancestors was married to Sarah Towne Cloyce, sister of Rebecca Nurse and Mary Easty. Rebecca and Mary were hanged. Peter Cloyce was able to have his wife, Sarah, imprisoned in Boston. Of course, when she was not convicted, he also had to pay prison fees to have her released. Peter, himself, was investigated when he didn't show up for a communion service. They gave him a pass when they learned he was in Boston visiting his imprisoned wife.

Another interesting bygone fact: When her case was not proven, it was (as all unproven cases were in those days) marked Ignoramus. It should also be clear that Reverend Mather, himself, spoke against anyone being convicted on "Spectral" evidence.

Fast forward to our time. The accusations of our time were about improper touching and fondling of young girls by older men. Three girls at the school where I worked most often in those years, thought it would be a lark to accuse a male teacher of this. Quite an uproar ensued until I overheard the girls giggling about how they had made it all up and who they were going to target next.

In our time as well, we saw a great spike of legal cases rise from "Repressed Memories" which often turned out to be "False Memories" of sexual abuse.

Anyway....a very long way of saying that the (perhaps other than Rev. Parris) the religious and government officials took just as seriously the girls reports then as officials in our time took reports of sexual abuse/fondling and repressed memories.

It was government officials who tried and passed sentence.

Stop trying to derail the thread, we're onto lesbians now.

I've been forbidden to talk about lesbians.

 

[strollingbones]

government and clergy......they still hunt witches in africa and albinos......seems it bad to be a witch but great to kill an albino...go figure...

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

The salem witch trials were about government interference in people's lives, including their faith.

That's what happens when you allow the state to dictate what is properly religious, and what isn't.

I didn't get that impression when doing my own research. Two of the girls were eleven and twelve when all this started. Some accounts say the girls were caught up and reveled in the attention they were getting. Important people were paying attention to them. At this time, one of my ancestors was married to Sarah Towne Cloyce, sister of Rebecca Nurse and Mary Easty. Rebecca and Mary were hanged. Peter Cloyce was able to have his wife, Sarah, imprisoned in Boston. Of course, when she was not convicted, he also had to pay prison fees to have her released. Peter, himself, was investigated when he didn't show up for a communion service. They gave him a pass when they learned he was in Boston visiting his imprisoned wife.

Another interesting bygone fact: When her case was not proven, it was (as all unproven cases were in those days) marked Ignoramus. It should also be clear that Reverend Mather, himself, spoke against anyone being convicted on "Spectral" evidence.

Fast forward to our time. The accusations of our time were about improper touching and fondling of young girls by older men. Three girls at the school where I worked most often in those years, thought it would be a lark to accuse a male teacher of this. Quite an uproar ensued until I overheard the girls giggling about how they had made it all up and who they were going to target next.

In our time as well, we saw a great spike of legal cases rise from "Repressed Memories" which often turned out to be "False Memories" of sexual abuse.

Anyway....a very long way of saying that the (perhaps other than Rev. Parris) the religious and government officials took just as seriously the girls reports then as officials in our time took reports of sexual abuse/fondling and repressed memories.

It was government officials who tried and passed sentence.

Stop trying to derail the thread, we're onto lesbians now.

"we're onto lesbians now"

Hey, do we NEED to know your sexual fantasies here? Is this of paramount importance that we MUST know?

OMG I was just an innocent girl before I came here, now look how my virgin mind has been warped

 

[idb]

The salem witch trials were about government interference in people's lives, including their faith.

That's what happens when you allow the state to dictate what is properly religious, and what isn't.

I didn't get that impression when doing my own research. Two of the girls were eleven and twelve when all this started. Some accounts say the girls were caught up and reveled in the attention they were getting. Important people were paying attention to them. At this time, one of my ancestors was married to Sarah Towne Cloyce, sister of Rebecca Nurse and Mary Easty. Rebecca and Mary were hanged. Peter Cloyce was able to have his wife, Sarah, imprisoned in Boston. Of course, when she was not convicted, he also had to pay prison fees to have her released. Peter, himself, was investigated when he didn't show up for a communion service. They gave him a pass when they learned he was in Boston visiting his imprisoned wife.

Another interesting bygone fact: When her case was not proven, it was (as all unproven cases were in those days) marked Ignoramus. It should also be clear that Reverend Mather, himself, spoke against anyone being convicted on "Spectral" evidence.

Fast forward to our time. The accusations of our time were about improper touching and fondling of young girls by older men. Three girls at the school where I worked most often in those years, thought it would be a lark to accuse a male teacher of this. Quite an uproar ensued until I overheard the girls giggling about how they had made it all up and who they were going to target next.

In our time as well, we saw a great spike of legal cases rise from "Repressed Memories" which often turned out to be "False Memories" of sexual abuse.

Anyway....a very long way of saying that the (perhaps other than Rev. Parris) the religious and government officials took just as seriously the girls reports then as officials in our time took reports of sexual abuse/fondling and repressed memories.

It was government officials who tried and passed sentence.

Stop trying to derail the thread, we're onto lesbians now.

I've been forbidden to talk about lesbians.

Don't worry.
Stick around and the topic will change in a minute or two.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

government and clergy......they still hunt witches in africa and albinos......seems it bad to be a witch but great to kill an albino...go figure...

Yes I saw a documentary, about the albinos, horrible stuff.

 

[Meriweather]

It was government officials who tried and passed sentence.

I understand. However, there were also government and church officials who were speaking out/fighting on behalf of the accused women. My ancestor was one of these officials. Remember the approximately 180 of the 200 who were not executed? People were standing up for them.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

The salem witch trials were about government interference in people's lives, including their faith.

That's what happens when you allow the state to dictate what is properly religious, and what isn't.

I didn't get that impression when doing my own research. Two of the girls were eleven and twelve when all this started. Some accounts say the girls were caught up and reveled in the attention they were getting. Important people were paying attention to them. At this time, one of my ancestors was married to Sarah Towne Cloyce, sister of Rebecca Nurse and Mary Easty. Rebecca and Mary were hanged. Peter Cloyce was able to have his wife, Sarah, imprisoned in Boston. Of course, when she was not convicted, he also had to pay prison fees to have her released. Peter, himself, was investigated when he didn't show up for a communion service. They gave him a pass when they learned he was in Boston visiting his imprisoned wife.

Another interesting bygone fact: When her case was not proven, it was (as all unproven cases were in those days) marked Ignoramus. It should also be clear that Reverend Mather, himself, spoke against anyone being convicted on "Spectral" evidence.

Fast forward to our time. The accusations of our time were about improper touching and fondling of young girls by older men. Three girls at the school where I worked most often in those years, thought it would be a lark to accuse a male teacher of this. Quite an uproar ensued until I overheard the girls giggling about how they had made it all up and who they were going to target next.

In our time as well, we saw a great spike of legal cases rise from "Repressed Memories" which often turned out to be "False Memories" of sexual abuse.

Anyway....a very long way of saying that the (perhaps other than Rev. Parris) the religious and government officials took just as seriously the girls reports then as officials in our time took reports of sexual abuse/fondling and repressed memories.

It was government officials who tried and passed sentence.

Stop trying to derail the thread, we're onto lesbians now.

I've been forbidden to talk about lesbians.

Have you? Well keep it clean then

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

It was government officials who tried and passed sentence.

I understand. However, there were also government and church officials who were speaking out/fighting on behalf of the accused women. My ancestor was one of these officials. Remember the approximately 180 of the 200 who were not executed? People were standing up for them.

As the thread has blown off topic, I thought WTF, I might as well tell you, I love your avatar, owls are so gorgeous.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

ahh poor tilly......too busy taking offense to realize most of my posts unlike hers are on topic.....nice to know dhara pyre can be critical of others but damned those being critical of the leakers....

No, the thread is not about Dhara, and you are not in the FZ. Address the OP and quit whining about Dhara or crawl back into your hole.

I realize that Dhara derailed the thread into a combined rwnj and looney mob attack on me.

Would you care to address the topic instead of pursuing your feminist anti-white male agenda?

What feminist anti white male agenda? And how does it relate to the Salem witch trials? Spit it out woman!!!

Can we have a Multiple Choice Answer on this? I vote yes, and I'm voting for Pineapple

 

[Meriweather]

As the thread has blown off topic, I thought WTF, I might as well tell you, I love your avatar, owls are so gorgeous.

Thank you! It was one of those rare, lucky camera shots that simply turned out right. He (or she) looks both sleepy and amused.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

As the thread has blown off topic, I thought WTF, I might as well tell you, I love your avatar, owls are so gorgeous.

Thank you! It was one of those rare, lucky camera shots that simply turned out right. He (or she) looks both sleepy and amused.

Yes he or she is lovely and so precious looking.

 

[aris2chat]

accusing and abusing people for a crime they have not committed and would not commit?

States are on a which hunt blaming the wrong people for potential crimes just because of who/what they are.

No due process

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

In January 1692, three young girls began having “fits”—they would scream, mutter strange sounds, bark like dogs when addressed, become unable to concentrate on tasks given, and contort themselves into “impossible” positions. This began occurring after the girls started experimenting with fortune telling to try to figure out how their lives would end up and what their husbands would do for a living. (This sort of thing was quite common at the time, such as one tradition using mistletoe put under one’s pillow at night and then burned the next day.)

One of the girls was Reverend Parris’ daughter, Betty Paris (9 years old), and another was his niece, Abigail Williams (11 years old). The third was Ann Putnam (12 years old), a member of one of the powerful families involved in the family feud going on in the region.

When prayer didn’t fix the problem, the Reverend called in a doctor who was unable to explain what was causing the fits. He declared that something supernatural was affecting the girls. In February, the victims of the “devil’s work” confessed to a judge that three women were responsible for giving them fits: Sarah Osborne, Sarah Good, and Tituba, the Parris’ slave.

The women were interrogated, but only Tituba confessed to the crime. All three were later put in prison—not burned at the stake.

Even though the three suspected witches were put away, the people of Salem became paranoid. In a fit of mass hysteria- and probably a dash of simply taking advantage of the situation to get rid of enemies- fingers were being pointed at supposed witches left and right, even for the mildest of offenses. When the hunt ended, some 200 people had been accused of witchcraft. However, only 20 people were executed.

The first to be formally executed was Bridget Bishop. She was perceived as a promiscuous woman and a gossip. (Clearly, she must be a witch!) Though she pleaded innocent, the Special Court of Oyer and Terminer—the court set up to deal with the witch trials—found her guilty. On June 10, 1692 she was hanged on what would become known as Gallows Hill.

Eighteen more women followed in Bishop’s footsteps, swinging on Gallows Hill. Additionally, one elderly man named Giles Corey was pressed to death by heavy stones. Many more people were tried and sent to prison, and several of them died while incarcerated, including Sarah Osborne, one of the first “witches” convicted.

No Witches Were Burned During the Salem Witch Trials




...As for the original little girls who started the whole thing, one of them, Ann Putnam, later apologized in 1706, stating:

" I desire to be humbled before God for that sad and humbling providence that befell my father’s family in the year about ninety-two; that I, then being in my childhood, should, by such a providence of God, be made an instrument for the accusing of several people for grievous crimes, whereby their lives was taken away from them, whom, now I have just grounds and good reason to believe they were innocent persons; and that it was a great delusion of Satan that deceived me in that sad time, whereby I justly fear I have been instrumental, with others, though ignorantly and unwittingly, to bring upon myself and this land the guilt of innocent blood; though, what was said or done by me against any person, I can truly and uprightly say, before God and man, I did it not out of any anger, malice, or ill will to any person, for I had no such thing against one of them; but what I did was ignorantly, being deluded by Satan.

And particularly, as I was a chief instrument of accusing Goodwife Nurse and her two sisters, I desire to lie in the dust, and to be humble for it, in that I was a cause, with others, of so sad a calamity to them and their families; for which cause I desire to lie in the dust, and earnestly beg forgiveness of God, and from all those unto whom I have given just cause of sorrow and offense, whose relations were taken away or accused."


Riiiight. So it's God's and Satan's fault now?

"As for the original little girls who started the whole thing, one of them, Ann Putnam, later apologized in 1706,"

How can any sort of apology possibly compensate for the trauma and horror that was subjected on the victims of this idle gossip?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

very few witches were burned at the stake.....pressed to death and drowning were more the norms

Yep, dunk her in the river in a wicker basket. If she lives, she's a witch!

Usually in the cases of what we'll term Worldwide Witch Trials, if they survived the dunking, that meant they were a witch, then they were dragged off and either hanged or burnt at the stake.

If when dunked, they sank and drowned, that meant they weren't a witch, but it didn't matter because they were then dead from drowning.

So as I said earlier, those accused actually couldn't win during that time of complete insanity.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

very few witches were burned at the stake.....pressed to death and drowning were more the norms

Not here anyway. In Europe there were many burnings, sometimes with their children forced to watch.

Sometimes it included children actually on trial also, as in the case of The Pendle Witch Trials of 1612, this is a very famous Witch Trial on par with The Salem Witch Trials:

Pendle witches - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

This would have to be one of the strangest threads I've ever been in.
It must be the witches.

I agree, why do you think I have an ice pack on my head and I've now put strings of garlic all around the room?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

witch hunting was much more popular in europe

Yes depressingly so, unfortunately.