Ryan-Murray committee reaches budget deal

[Vox]

All of it.
First off, does the GOP really have only one of two choices? Couldn't they do both. Or neither. Or some third or fourth thing?
Second, how will the GOP jerk the country to the left? Hasn't the Democrat Party already done that? Why would the GOP jerk the country to the left? How would they even do that if they wanted to?
What do you mean by "doing the heavy lifting"? I assume you mean a steady patient sustained effort to make the case for whatever policies the GOP wants (The "GOP" is made up of individuals, many of whom want different and in many cases incompatible things). Do you think this isn't going on right now? Karl Rove writes a column in the WSJ. Non profit orgs stage meetings and organize protests. The list goes on and on.
So your post was a bunch of cliches and bumper sticker thoughts. I was hoping there was something deeper there.

In order:

Sure, there are shades of gray everywhere. But overall, a party needs to at least have one general direction. Right now, the party is battling itself, and while they may want to deny that, it's pretty clear. The Tea Party wants everything now, the rest of the party sees that just can't be done.

Second, you're absolutely right, shit. I meant "jerk the country to the right". My fault, thanks. Shit. Fixed.

Finally, by "heavy lifting" I mean that our problems are, at their foundation, cultural in nature, not political. This can't be reversed by mere politics; hearts and minds have to be changed. Look at Obamacare: Purely political, passed by one party. Now look how many people are against it, because the Democrats didn't change hearts and minds. That's much tougher and requires more patience than leveraging advantage for temporary political victories.

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In a two party system like ours, each party consists of many different factions. In a parliamentary system they would be separate poltiical parties. So the GOP, and to a less degree the Dems, are really several parties. Currently they are duking it out. The Tea Party is not new. It is the old Reagan Republicans who want small government, lower taxes, more freedom. The establishment is not new either. It is the old Nixon/Rockefeller Republicans of Big Business and Big Government. It is a healthy debate and one that needs to happen. We wont get a single message from the GOP for a while. If ever. We just need to see which side will be better at selling its message to the American public. I believe the TP people have better ideas and solutions and will win. The other side's strategy is basically "the Dems control the WH and the Senate so the best we can do is look good to the media."

I don't think we WANT a single message - we already have a party of the lenin's type on the arena and that is not GOP.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Go for it.

We Conservatives crushed the moderates in my state the last couple of go-arounds and it's only going in one direction. If any of our congresspeople voted with Boner, they'll catch it when the come home.

Primary all you like Fakey.....you probably don't even know who your local reps are.

There will be some TeaP victories, I imagine, but the 33 TeaPs will be reduced to 11 in the House.

Helena, I know both senators and the four reps, personally.

I am done with the political threads for a long, long time.

End game has finally arrived.

So what ?

They probably hate to see you coming.

Five of them loved my donations, though. And so will Mia Love.

 

[Mac1958]

I am just thrilled Boehner reined in the TeaPs.

OK the bill passed. Time to primary the TeaPs next year so we can have a sane GOP.

I don't see it.

Ryan dared to negotiate - which, of course, was the process put in place at the founding of this country - and Limbaugh and Levin and rest are furious, and you know what that means.

Looks like this is firing up the Tea Party again, because negotiation and cooperation are equal to abject capitulation to them. They will not let this go without severe punishments.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Murray told her fellow Democrats that, even though this bill is not perfect, it will keep the GOP split, and that'll be a good thing come election time.

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[The Rabbi]

I am just thrilled Boehner reined in the TeaPs.

OK the bill passed. Time to primary the TeaPs next year so we can have a sane GOP.

I don't see it.

Ryan dared to negotiate - which, of course, was the process put in place at the founding of this country - and Limbaugh and Levin and rest are furious, and you know what that means.

Looks like this is firing up the Tea Party again, because negotiation and cooperation are equal to abject capitulation to them. They will not let this go without severe punishments.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Murray told her fellow Democrats that, even though this bill is not perfect, it will keep the GOP split, and that'll be a good thing come election time.

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The goal of the GOP is or ought to be to cut government spending to rein in the deficit. How does this deal accomplish that?

 

[Mac1958]

I am just thrilled Boehner reined in the TeaPs.

OK the bill passed. Time to primary the TeaPs next year so we can have a sane GOP.

I don't see it.

Ryan dared to negotiate - which, of course, was the process put in place at the founding of this country - and Limbaugh and Levin and rest are furious, and you know what that means.

Looks like this is firing up the Tea Party again, because negotiation and cooperation are equal to abject capitulation to them. They will not let this go without severe punishments.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Murray told her fellow Democrats that, even though this bill is not perfect, it will keep the GOP split, and that'll be a good thing come election time.

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The goal of the GOP is or ought to be to cut government spending to rein in the deficit. How does this deal accomplish that?

Holy crap, I'd be stunned if it did.

The GOP controls only the House, and budget/spending bills have to be passed, so they have a choice: They can go absolutist and completely shut down the system, or they can get what they can get for now, demonstrate to voters that they can do more than shut things down, and move on.

If they want to accomplish something as massive and significant as what you'd like, they need to convince more people to vote for them. Then they'll be able to create and move legislation that accomplishes those goals.

To convince more people to vote for them, I suppose they could try what they're trying now: Just pointing at the other side and screaming "socialist!" and other platitudes. Or they could actually present a clear, unified and positive message to America about how bright its future could be. That might get them more votes.

It's up to them.

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[The Rabbi]

I don't see it.

Ryan dared to negotiate - which, of course, was the process put in place at the founding of this country - and Limbaugh and Levin and rest are furious, and you know what that means.

Looks like this is firing up the Tea Party again, because negotiation and cooperation are equal to abject capitulation to them. They will not let this go without severe punishments.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Murray told her fellow Democrats that, even though this bill is not perfect, it will keep the GOP split, and that'll be a good thing come election time.

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The goal of the GOP is or ought to be to cut government spending to rein in the deficit. How does this deal accomplish that?

Holy crap, I'd be stunned if it did.

The GOP controls only the House, and budget/spending bills have to be passed, so they have a choice: They can go absolutist and completely shut down the system, or they can get what they can get for now, demonstrate to voters that they can do more than shut things down, and move on.

If they want to accomplish something as massive and significant as what you'd like, they need to convince more people to vote for them. Then they'll be able to create and move legislation that accomplishes those goals.

To convince more people to vote for them, I suppose they could try what they're trying now: Just pointing at the other side and screaming "socialist!" and other platitudes. Or they could actually present a clear, unified and positive message to America about how bright its future could be. That might get them more votes.

It's up to them.

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OK, so it does not accomplish what is or should be the prime goal of the GOP.
How is that a compromise? In a compromise each side gives a little and gets a little. What did the GOP get towards accomplishing its goal?
Yeah, the deal sucks. This is why conservatives are in arms over it. There was no spending reduction. There wasn't even an enforcement of the sequester cuts, which were so draconian no one noticed.

 

[hazlnut]

Ryan-Murray committee reaches budget deal - News - WSAU News/Talk 550AM 99.9FM

So if Obama signs this will he start excepting responsibility for things?

Taxes on the wealthy don't go up -- FAIL.


Romney still gets his special Carried Interest rate.


His kids will inherit billions and do nothing to earn it.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

I am just thrilled Boehner reined in the TeaPs.

OK the bill passed. Time to primary the TeaPs next year so we can have a sane GOP.

I don't see it.

Ryan dared to negotiate - which, of course, was the process put in place at the founding of this country - and Limbaugh and Levin and rest are furious, and you know what that means.

Looks like this is firing up the Tea Party again, because negotiation and cooperation are equal to abject capitulation to them. They will not let this go without severe punishments.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Murray told her fellow Democrats that, even though this bill is not perfect, it will keep the GOP split, and that'll be a good thing come election time.

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The negotiating doesn't bother me as much as getting a crappier deal than the sequester under the CR.

Though I can't speak to Limbaugh or Levin, it's my considered opinion that Ryan made the deal so republicans could get back their sacred cow military spending, which was cut back in the sequester.