Zone1 Russian EMP capabilities......why aren't we taking this seriously?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The EMP weapons they have are not nuclear.....they don't actually directly kill human beings, they just shut off the power.

You apparently don't know anything about EMP.

 

[2aguy]

You apparently don't know anything about EMP.

Yeah.....he states detonating the nuke ....

Any nuclear weapon detonated in outer space, 30 kilometers or higher, will generate a high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP) damaging all kinds of electronics, blacking-out electric grids and collapsing other life-sustaining critical infrastructures. No blast, thermal, fallout or effects other than HEMP are experienced in the atmosphere and on the ground.

AD1124730.pdf

 

[Stryder50]

The only capability needed is a rocket capable of reaching low earth orbit and a nuke. Russia and China have both.

So does the USA, Britian/UK, and France. Maybe a few others.
This is a variation on MAD.
If "They" EMP US, we EMP them.

 

[Doug1943]

So does the USA, Britian/UK, and France. Maybe a few others.
This is a variation on MAD.
If "They" EMP US, we EMP them.

'MAD' is the most perfect acronym ever invented.

I assume that both (all?) sides have a contingency plan in case they're subject to an EMP attack. It very likely assumes that such an attack is a precursor of an allout nuclear attack, designed to disable our anti-missile systems and our retaliatory capacity ... so if there is an EMP attack, launch your ICBMs as quickly as you can.

 

[2aguy]

So does the USA, Britian/UK, and France. Maybe a few others.
This is a variation on MAD.
If "They" EMP US, we EMP them.

Their leadership doesn’t care……..China would gladly lose millions that they currently can’t support………..that is the problem……

 

[2aguy]

'MAD' is the most perfect acronym ever invented.

I assume that both (all?) sides have a contingency plan in case they're subject to an EMP attack. It very likely assumes that such an attack is a precursor of an allout nuclear attack, designed to disable our anti-missile systems and our retaliatory capacity ... so if there is an EMP attack, launch your ICBMs as quickly as you can.

Pry goes into that in his interview…….we don’t have a plan……

 

[Stryder50]

'MAD' is the most perfect acronym ever invented.

I assume that both (all?) sides have a contingency plan in case they're subject to an EMP attack. It very likely assumes that such an attack is a precursor of an allout nuclear attack, designed to disable our anti-missile systems and our retaliatory capacity ... so if there is an EMP attack, launch your ICBMs as quickly as you can.

Another aspect of the challenge is that lesser nations/powers might use EMP.
For example, were Iran to get a nuke or two, rather than blow up a major city in the USA, they might to high altitude EMP blast to devastate our economy and and produce high numbers of casualties. All for the purpose of striking the infidels in obedience to Allah's injunction.

 

[Stryder50]

BTW, there is a fairly recent and related thread on this topic;

Zone1 - Can the US Survive an EMP Strike?

This thread is my OPINON. Can the US Survive an EMP Strike? An Electro-Magnetic-Pulse much the same as a solar flare will be devastating to all things in America and abroad. This pulse will melt transformers into huge piles of molten metal and melt transmission lines. The devastation will...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Doug1943]

Another aspect of the challenge is that lesser nations/powers might use EMP.
For example, were Iran to get a nuke or two, rather than blow up a major city in the USA, they might to high altitude EMP blast to devastate our economy and and produce high numbers of casualties. All for the purpose of striking the infidels in obedience to Allah's injunction.

Or they might decide on a variant of "suicide by cop" and strike Israel.

The Americans might be somewhat measured in their response. But the Israelis -- especially with this new government -- see the world through the lens of the Holocaust (and who can blame them?).

They know that the Iranian government would love to kill every single Israeli Jew. So an Iranian attack on Israel, even 'just' an EMP strike, would be the perfect excuse to turn all Iranian cities and rural military sites into radioactive glazed craters.

A great shame, because there are many precious, and beautiful, buildings and artifacts in Iran, the home of one of the great civilizations, and peoples, of the world. So hopefully the mullahs will think twice before committing national suicide.

In the meantime, the US should give passports to every Iranian protestor, if they want them. We got the world's first female winner of the Fields Medal (the math equivalent of the Nobel Prize) that way, and we would be enormously enriched by a few hundred thousand young Iranian democrats.

 

[beagle9]

Any attack against the US using nuclear weapons will result in a full nuclear retaliation.

A strike after the fact may not be obtainable or might prove to be quite devastating in a long term meaningful way, otherwise if the one's doing the 1st strike were able to get out of the box before we could.

It might prove impossible to gain back the momentum to try and stave off the coming invasion that is next to come.

 

[beagle9]

So does the USA, Britian/UK, and France. Maybe a few others.
This is a variation on MAD.
If "They" EMP US, we EMP them.

And that is a problem quickly growing in the world as we speak.

 

[Doug1943]

And that is a problem quickly growing in the world as we speak.

A nuclear strike against a nuclear-armed enemy makes no sense ... unless you can be sure that, by striking first and without warning, you destroy his reliatory capacity.

(This is why the Israeli's will not wait until Iran announces it has a atom bombs and the missiles to deliver them.)

This is the rationale for ICBM-armed submarines -- they're less accurate, but, since they move about, underwater, they're far less vulnerable to a first strike.

Unless ... your enemy is able to locate them. During the Cold War, the Americans lay down underwater listening devices, and boasted that, on the outbreak of war, they could sink every Soviet submarine within fifteen minutes.

OR ... if your enemy can shoot down your incoming missiles. This was why Putin was so upset when the US put its anti-missile systems in the Soviet Union's former East European countries.

Now hypersonic glide missiles, which can maneuver, have changed everything, and WWIII is closer.

 

[beagle9]

A nuclear strike against a nuclear-armed enemy makes no sense ... unless you can be sure that, by striking first and without warning, you destroy his reliatory capacity.

(This is why the Israeli's will not wait until Iran announces it has a atom bombs and the missiles to deliver them.)

This is the rationale for ICBM-armed submarines -- they're less accurate, but, since they move about, underwater, they're far less vulnerable to a first strike.

Unless ... your enemy is able to locate them. During the Cold War, the Americans lay down underwater listening devices, and boasted that, on the outbreak of war, they could sink every Soviet submarine within fifteen minutes.

OR ... if your enemy can shoot down your incoming missiles. This was why Putin was so upset when the US put its anti-missile systems in the Soviet Union's former East European countries.

Now hypersonic glide missiles, which can maneuver, have changed everything, and WWIII is closer.

Let's hope peace prevails, but it's all going to go as the word has spoken to us on. The major signs are all the terrible thing's that we see going on these days, and yes they've gone on since the early day's sure, but the word also gave us the remedies and the understanding of the thing's in which this generation once again gives witness too. Either we fix our issue's or he will. Fact.

 

[2aguy]

A nuclear strike against a nuclear-armed enemy makes no sense ... unless you can be sure that, by striking first and without warning, you destroy his reliatory capacity.

(This is why the Israeli's will not wait until Iran announces it has a atom bombs and the missiles to deliver them.)

This is the rationale for ICBM-armed submarines -- they're less accurate, but, since they move about, underwater, they're far less vulnerable to a first strike.

Unless ... your enemy is able to locate them. During the Cold War, the Americans lay down underwater listening devices, and boasted that, on the outbreak of war, they could sink every Soviet submarine within fifteen minutes.

OR ... if your enemy can shoot down your incoming missiles. This was why Putin was so upset when the US put its anti-missile systems in the Soviet Union's former East European countries.

Now hypersonic glide missiles, which can maneuver, have changed everything, and WWIII is closer.

Pry stated those subs are the only reason Russia hasn't hit the U.S. already...........if they ever get their locations..........we may be in a lot of trouble.

 

[beagle9]

Pry stated those subs are the only reason Russia hasn't hit the U.S. already...........if they ever get their locations..........we may be in a lot of trouble.

I think about such things also, otherwise I think that our sub deterrent is thee most feared in the world, but if we don't respect God, and we don't honor our blessings recieved, then our blessings won't hold forever. Stay tuned to "as the world turns", but the problem is that this ain't no fake hollyweird soap opera, this is the real deal we're living in today.

 

[Doug1943]

I think about such things also, otherwise I think that our sub deterrent is thee most feared in the world, but if we don't respect God, and we don't honor our blessings recieved, then our blessings won't hold forever. Stay tuned to "as the world turns", but the problem is that this ain't no fake hollyweird soap opera, this is the real deal we're living in today.

We must hope for the best but prepare for the worst. (And avoid cliches.)

How to prepare for the worst? Politically, we ought to be thinking about how to deal with an America that is split into two parts, with large numbers of people on each side loathing their political opposite numbers.

If a white policeman shot a Black rioters trying to climb through a window into a courthouse where conservative legislators were hiding, there would be fresh riots all over America. But when the opposite happens, liberals cheer. With hatred that deep, there can be no reconciliation.

And it's going to get worse. The Left now control the institutions of education, and while we must do things like recalling Leftist school board members, and our governors ought to be pressured to act like Ron DeSantis, we are not going to root them out.

So, what should happen, when some external force finally makes us break apart, is obvious.

In the meantime, in practical terms, we have to organize, like the people in Arizona, in Yavapai, are doing. ( Https://YCPT.org). Organization is the key to everything.

So acquire the means of self-defense, acquire the things necessary to be able to live through an extended period of supply-chain destruction, move to a Red State if possible, join the National Guard if possible ... but above all, organize.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Another aspect of the challenge is that lesser nations/powers might use EMP.
For example, were Iran to get a nuke or two, rather than blow up a major city in the USA, they might to high altitude EMP blast to devastate our economy and and produce high numbers of casualties. All for the purpose of striking the infidels in obedience to Allah's injunction.

How do you think Iran is going to go from missiles with a few thousand miles range to earth orbit? Don't you think we would detect the launch and then the flight of the missile?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

BTW, there is a fairly recent and related thread on this topic;

Zone1 - Can the US Survive an EMP Strike?

This thread is my OPINON. Can the US Survive an EMP Strike? An Electro-Magnetic-Pulse much the same as a solar flare will be devastating to all things in America and abroad. This pulse will melt transformers into huge piles of molten metal and melt transmission lines. The devastation will...

www.usmessageboard.com

Melting things is not how EMP works. It acts more like an electrical overload.

 

[Stryder50]

How do you think Iran is going to go from missiles with a few thousand miles range to earth orbit? Don't you think we would detect the launch and then the flight of the missile?

What makes you think it will be a missile launch from Iran rather than then some other delivery device?
Could be a missile launch from just of our shores, maybe from a ship. or a surfaced sub. Or a missile carried on an aircraft and launched from high altitude.
Could be a threat from someone other than Iran.

Even if we detect such a launch, will we have enough time to know what it is and react to prevent detonation?

 

[Stryder50]

Melting things is not how EMP works. It acts more like an electrical overload.

Start by taking that up with the OP of the thread.

Electrical overload tends to 'fry' things, especially microcircuits, so similar results.