Russia Sets Punitive Terms for Peace.

[Zavulon]

I just don't consider your topic to be important or relevant right now. Maybe it will be?

I just want to use more or less relevant analogy. How would you act in more or less same circumstances? The same way act other members the forum, comparing possible Russian actions in future with American actions in Vietnam or Afghanistan. But, and this is my point, Ukraine is not Russian Afghanistan. Ukraine, in some way, is Russian Canada. And, as you said you are a Canadian, I hoped that you could help me to improve this analogy.
Russia will not stop fighting in Ukraine, as the USA couldn't stop fighting in Canada. It is not just a question of profits and loses. It is the question of the very survival. Survival of ethnic Russians in Ukraine (anglophones in Canada), and all people of Russian Federation (the United States of America).

 

[GLASNOST]

It is not about that. Totally not. I think I do understand what do you mean, but it seems to be some kind of mirroring or something. Both conceptions of "taking whatever you want" and "forcing enemies to recognize that they are bad guys" (or even conception of "bad guys") are really alien in Russian culture. It might demand more than one lecture (or even more than an academic year) to explain even the most important details of the Russian (traditional and modern) political and cultural expansionism.

Let me make it simple. Russia will win the war in Ukraine - Ukraine will not be in NATO - the West will respect Russia - and no more Zoolinskis or Yeltsins.

 

[Zavulon]

Let me make it simple. Russia will win the war in Ukraine

Agree.

- Ukraine will not be in NATO -

Agree.

the West will respect Russia -

Disagree. May be, they will scared of Russia (in practical terms is almost as good as respect), but people can't actually respect what they can't understand. In the very best case they may fear and respect "imaginary Russia" as they fear and hate another "imaginary Russia" now. But both imaginary Russias - "hated" and "respected" have nothing to do with the real Russia. You see, Orientalist discourse constitutes itself out of "preexisting units of information", or "idées reçues", which are handed down from text to text, author to author, period to period, producing an uninterrupted "tradition". No one writing, thinking, or acting on the Orient could do so without taking account of the limitations on thoughts and actions imposed by Orientalism. One can even say, that Orientalism is a hermetically sealed system endlessly - and inescapable - perpetuating the same stereotypes.

and no more Zoolinskis or Yeltsins.

Disagree. Looks like the leaders of Cocaine Coalition already decided to become new Zelenskiys and sell their people as cannon fodder in much larger quantities. And, after defeat of West and elimination of the imminent European threat, next Russian leaders may return back to their traditional europe- and america-phylia.

 

[konradv]

Putin and Russia will get everything they want and they deserve it because in the end the West will see that they are going to lose everything if they continue. The West will admit they are the bad guys and they will begin to ask for mercy.

Ukraine is stealing Ruzzia’s lunch money!

 

[GLASNOST]

the West will respect Russia

Disagree. May be, they will scared of Russia (in practical terms is almost as good as respect), but people can't actually respect what they can't understand. In the very best case they may fear and respect "imaginary Russia" as they fear and hate another "imaginary Russia" now. But both imaginary Russias - "hated" and "respected" have nothing to do with the real Russia. You see, Orientalist discourse constitutes itself out of "preexisting units of information", or "idées reçues", which are handed down from text to text, author to author, period to period, producing an uninterrupted "tradition". No one writing, thinking, or acting on the Orient could do so without taking account of the limitations on thoughts and actions imposed by Orientalism. One can even say, that Orientalism is a hermetically sealed system endlessly - and inescapable - perpetuating the same stereotypes.

Well, Russophobia may always be waiting to be implemented but Krustjev, Gorbatjov, and Putin were all loved in the West during a period. Whenever the West needs a scapegoat they may choose Russia or someone else.

 

[Zavulon]

Well, Russophobia may always be waiting to be implemented but Krustjev, Gorbatjov, and Putin were all loved in the West during a period.

Yes. But the problem is, that they didn't love real Khrushev, Gorbachev and Putin. They didn't even love a picture created by Russian Pr-managers. What they say they loved is a picture created by their own imagination and their own PR-agencies.

 

[Zavulon]

Ukraine is stealing Ruzzia’s lunch money!

Actually, it is West, who try to steal Russian money. But they forget that Russians always come back for what is rightfully their.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... Krustjev, Gorbatjov, and Putin were all loved in the West during a period.

..... What they say they loved is a picture created by their own imagination and their own PR-agencies.

Neither you nor I have sufficient enough knowledge to make that judgement.

 

[zaangalewa]

Trump will dictate the terms for peace.

Donald Trump plays "childish" games by calling the Russian war on Europe in the Ukraine a childish game. It is totally clear that the high traitor Donald Trump is Putin's slave and/or marionette.

 

[zaangalewa]

The latest terms for Peace from Russia have been sent to Ukraine.

In a nut shell they want all the land taken by force plus more land. ...

... including Alaska and the complete west coast of Canada and the USA. They see in this area an old russian estate.

 

[zaangalewa]

Actually, it is West, who try to steal Russian money. But they forget that Russians always come back for what is rightfully their.

So you will "come back" (from wherever into whatever jail) with less than nothing.

 

[Zavulon]

Donald Trump plays "childish" games by calling the Russian war on Europe in the Ukraine a childish game. It is totally clear that the high traitor Donald Trump is Putin's slave and/or marionette.

Right now, what we actually do in Europe, yes, is really "childish game" and "pillow fight" compared with what we could, and, definitely, should do to Europe. Trump isn't president of Germany. He is president of the USA. And if the national interests of the USA demands to throw Germany under the Russian tanks - it is his right and duty to do it.

 

[Zavulon]

So you will "come back" (from wherever into whatever jail) with less than nothing.

The graveyards of history are full of the imbeciles who believed that they can take something from Russia.

 

[CowboyTed]

Not our circus and not our monkeys

Let them duke it out

Except US signed the Budapest Memorandum offering security for Nuclear Arms...

So you want US word to mean nothing?

How Russian of you..

 

[Zavulon]

Except US signed the Budapest Memorandum offering security for Nuclear Arms...

So you want US word to mean nothing?

US word already means nothing. Actually, it worth less than nothing. When Americans speak about peace - it's clear they are preparing to the sneak attack.

 

[GLASNOST]

Donald Trump plays "childish" games by calling the Russian war on Europe in the Ukraine a childish game. It is totally clear that the high traitor Donald Trump is Putin's slave and/or marionette.

I don't think you are intelligent.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The Europeans. They always (at least twice a century) try to do it.
And now "decolonisation of Russia" is officially declared goal of the EU.

Ok, what does that have to do with the war in Ukraine. You think all of Europe is going to attack russia?

 

[Zavulon]

Ok, what does that have to do with the war in Ukraine. You think all of Europe is going to attack russia?

Not necessarily all of Europe (some of Europeans seems to save some sense), but basically yes. This is the only possible explanation why they need Ukraine. That's what they always do, and they openly admitted it. I see no reason not to believe them.

 

[GLASNOST]

Not necessarily all of Europe (some of Europeans seems to save some sense), but basically yes. This is the only possible explanation why they need Ukraine. That's what they always do, and they openly admitted it. I see no reason not to believe them.

That is silly. Do you think Viktor Orban, Robert Fico, and I are the only Europeans who don't want to attack Russia?

 

[Donald H]

I just want to use more or less relevant analogy. How would you act in more or less same circumstances? The same way act other members the forum, comparing possible Russian actions in future with American actions in Vietnam or Afghanistan. But, and this is my point, Ukraine is not Russian Afghanistan. Ukraine, in some way, is Russian Canada. And, as you said you are a Canadian, I hoped that you could help me to improve this analogy.
Russia will not stop fighting in Ukraine, as the USA couldn't stop fighting in Canada. It is not just a question of profits and loses. It is the question of the very survival. Survival of ethnic Russians in Ukraine (anglophones in Canada), and all people of Russian Federation (the United States of America).

I'm happy to read your comments and I'll reply to your issues that interest me.