Russia Sets Punitive Terms for Peace.

[eagle1462010]

If Zelensky had an ounce of brains, he would take that deal.

I'm betting he won't.

In the end, Russia will just end up taking even more.

Shades of the Palestinians.

No doubt, which is why Russia keeps going. Ukraine cant stop them without direct NATO military, which escalates to a larger war.

Ukraine isnt worth that.

 

[eagle1462010]

They still have satisfactory situation. "Formal dependent from the Britain, and formally independent from the USA Canada" is acceptable for the USA while there is no hostile forces there and the WASPs are neither discriminated, nor genocided. Canada as a member of Shanghai block (deploying Russian tanks and Chinese IRBMs) or Canada oppressing and killing anglophones - are totally unacceptable for the USA.


My question was about hypothetical situation:
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Let's play a game. After collapse of dollar Ponzi scheme, and hyper-inflation, burning down everyones reserves, America suffer significant (but mostly virtual) economic problems, but it is still a mighty military power (with the second in the world nuclear arsenal). Russia and China decided to eliminate America and for this goal - to buy Canada (its government), deploy there Russian tanks and Chinese IRBMs. As their proxies they decided to use French-speaker's extremists organisations and "de-angloficate" Canada. For this goal, the only official language in Canada becomes Canadian French. The only language allowed in books and TV is French. Police and vigilants allowed to arrest, attack and kill (sometimes even commit mass murders) "tête carrée" (English-speaking Canadians) at spot. Of course, there is US-backed rebellion against Quebec regime and, later, direct US invasion in Canada.
What kind of harm should Canadian regime cause to the USA to force them to allow China deploy nuclear weapons in Canada or allow genocide of tête carrée.

Do you believe that ordinary WASPs in the USA can allow genocide of WASPs in Canada, with, or without Washington permission?
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We would kill you.

Shitty example. Canada has never been part of the United States, while Ukraine was part of the USSR once.

Which would be like California getting nukes against the other States.

Ukraine is a Civil War

 

[eagle1462010]

... including Alaska and the complete west coast of Canada and the USA. They see in this area an old russian estate.

They can try to take it back lol.

 

[GLASNOST]

... Ukraine cant stop them without direct NATO military, which escalates to a larger war.

Most of us understood that from day one.

Ukraine isnt worth that.

It never was.

 

[Zavulon]

No doubt, which is why Russia keeps going. Ukraine cant stop them without direct NATO military, which escalates to a larger war.

Ukraine isnt worth that.

Yes. Ukraine itself itself isn't worth it. And the stubbornness with which NATO try to take it, and, especially, recent escalation to the level "deniable proxy attacks against nuclear forces" (which is more close to actual exchange of nuclear strikes than any time during Cold war) makes clear that it is not just about Ukraine. It is about preparation to attack Russia.

 

[eagle1462010]

Yes. Ukraine itself itself isn't worth it. And the stubbornness with which NATO try to take it, and, especially, recent escalation to the level "deniable proxy attacks against nuclear forces" (which is more close to actual exchange of nuclear strikes than any time during Cold war) makes clear that it is not just about Ukraine. It is about preparation to attack Russia.

NATO was formed as a defense against the USSR. Those who joined it to your borders chose because Never Again did they want to be ruled by RUSSIA.

USSR/RUSSIA didnt liberate these countries after WWII. Russia enslaved them with occupation. That is why many HATE RUSSIA.

Do you Deny that?

 

[GLASNOST]

USSR/RUSSIA didnt liberate these countries after WWII. Russia enslaved them with occupation.

Don't be so stupid.

Do you Deny that?

I deny it, yes. Do you want me to give you a lesson in history? Just let me know.

 

[eagle1462010]

... including Alaska and the complete west coast of Canada and the USA. They see in this area an old russian estate.

They try there they die. We arent week like too many EU countries who have used us as their police for too long.

Get your ass on the line.

 

[zaangalewa]

They can try to take it back lol. ...

Exactly. To do so they could for example bomb down the cities on your east coast of the USA. That would distract you. Don't try to tell me now this makes no sense. Makes anything really sense what Donald Trump is doing? Made it any sense that Russia broke down their economic relations with Europe by attacking the Ukraine?

 

[zaangalewa]

We would kill you.

¿Including the whole planet and by also doing suicide as is doing Russia now?

Shitty example. Canada has never been part of the United States, while Ukraine was part of the USSR once.

In their Soviet eyes Gemany was also once part of the USSR. They say for example Germans including Austrians never existed. Indeed lived in Germany always only Slavs. That's why Spain, England, Scandinavia, France, Italy and others have to become Russians again. And because they are "East Rome" (Successor to the Byzantine Empire) they think also East-Europe and the countries of the Ottoman empire are also their legitimate possession.

Which would be like California getting nukes against the other States.

California has no army. Only the USA has an army. That's why your states live without war with each other.

Ukraine is a Civil War

The war in the Ukraine is a war of Russia on Europe, against freedom and against the right of all peoples in the world to self-determination. So Russia also fights the world and the international laws. And the USA indirectly supports Russia by doing so by also attacking the international structures which grew since World War 2 and even since much longer times.

I fear somehow not onyl Russia but also the USA forgot to close the box of the Pandora which you had opened in World War 1+2 together with Russia. World War 2 did by the way not end on 8th of May 1945 when the German army surrendered. The Russians continued. You had to stop them in Korea - what had been by the way the only time in your history where you was a very short time in a real war. But instead to try to learn you ignore that.

 

[Litwin]

Not our circus and not our monkeys

Let them duke it out

Post in thread 'BREAKING : US made F-16 Shoots Down putin´s 🇷🇺 Su-35 Over Kursk! | First F-16 Air-to-Air Kill of the War'

Saturday at 8:31 AM

Also the 1st F-16 kill of a SU-35 ever, regardless of the conflict?
PS

• Litwin

 

[zaangalewa]

They try there they die. We arent week

weak

like too many EU countries who have used us as their police for too long.

Get your ass on the line.

Once an Afghan Taliban said to a German soldier: "You have the clock - we have the time." A short time later the USA withdrew from Afghanistan without taking its allies (because of 9/11) into consideration. You are sometimes really unpleasant contemporaries. Long years of serious and senseful work simply wiped away because you were bored again or something like this.

And by the way, the Trumpian idiocy of this habitual unreliable machine-gun liar is now just pouring out of my ears. It's your own fault if you think about this total loser even a little. He pinches his tail and finds great reasons to try to weaken Europe and the US wherever and whenever he can without the US voters hanging him for it.

 

[Zavulon]

NATO was formed as a defense against the USSR.

Plain lie. NATO never fought a defensive war in its history. Only offensive invasions. Of course, you can say, that the best defense is a good offense, and in this case, it is absolutely irrelevant if it is "defensive or offensive". It is just hostile military alliance, getting close to Russian borders and discriminating, abusing and killing Russian people.

Those who joined it to your borders chose because Never Again did they want to be ruled by RUSSIA.

First of all, nobody asked the population of those countries. Second - the question is not was was the motivation of Poland. Many of Poles (but not all, and not even majority) are Russophobic scum. The real question is what was the motivation of the USA, UK, Germany, France... Inviting Poland in alliance didn't increase American safety or wealth. It drastically decreased them. And the only possible reason I can find is - "America invited Poland (and other East European countries), as a preparation to attack Russian Federation itself".

USSR/RUSSIA didnt liberate these countries after WWII. Russia enslaved them with occupation.

As if they didn't deserve it. They were German collaborants after all.

That is why many HATE RUSSIA.

Oh, don't be such a princess. They hate Russia since much earlier times. Like, may be, from the first Northern Crusades. It is not a big deal. Tomorrow they will tell stories about "evil American occupation" and that they "hate Americans" and love "Russian liberators". Words are cheap. The words of those tiny prostitutes are even cheaper.

Do you Deny that?

I don't actually deny this. I just watch it from the different angle.

 

[GLASNOST]

We arent week

But you are month and even year.

like too many EU countries who have used us as their police for too long.

It is you who have foisted your scare-mongering on us, not the other way around.

Get your ass on the line.

That, at least, is good advice.

 

[Zavulon]

¿Including the whole planet and by also doing suicide as is doing Russia now?

Yes, of course, they'll do it, if necessary. "Better dead than red", and all that stuff. We know that Alaska and California are as important for them, as Crimea and Novorussia are important for Russia, and they ready to pay at least fifty million American lives to keep them (and we are not pay even one million of Russian lives to take them). That's why we don't actually try to take them (at least until the stage when the actual nukes started to fly).

In their Soviet eyes Gemany was also once part of the USSR.

As if Karl Marx was a Russian.

They say for example Germans including Austrians never existed.

It depends. Actually, the lingustic, cultural and political differences between so called Germans are much more significant than the differences between Russians and so called Ukrainians.

Indeed lived in Germany always only Slavs. That's why Spain, England, Scandinavia, France, Italy and others have to become Russians again.

Not necessarily.

And because they are "East Rome" (Successor to the Byzantine Empire) they think also East-Europe and the countries of the Ottoman empire are also their legitimate possession.

"Third Rome". First Rome fell, second one (Konstantinopolis/Tzargrad, now Istanbul) fell under attacks of barbarians who now became West Europeans and Turks. Moscow is the Third Rome and protector of true Christianity, and there will be no Fourth one, because after the fall of Moscow true Christianity will be almost eliminated and antichrist will come in our world. While Moscow is standing as the last bastion of Christianity - antichrist can't came in our world, and that is exactly why all his servants want to destroy Moscow and genocide Russians. It's quite popular opinion among Orthodox Christians. I'm an Atheist, I don't believe is such things, but, sometimes it seems possible that the Western "moderate Satanists" believe in it, and ready to destroy Russia even if the price of it will be existence of the USA. Satan always betray his most loyal servants after all.

California has no army. Only the USA has an army. That's why your states live without war with each other.

There is National Guard in the states. And no, there was American Civil war, between Northern and Southern States.

The war in the Ukraine is a war of Russia on Europe, against freedom and against the right of all peoples in the world to self-determination.

If under "freedom" you understand freedom to discriminate, abuse and genocide Russians, Jews, Gypsies or whoever else, then definitely yes. We do stand against any form of Nazism (especially against anti-Russian Nazism).

So Russia also fights the world and the international laws.

Also Russia is fighting for the world's majority against parasitic Europe. And no, international laws were destroyed by the illegal and unprovoked western aggressions against Serbia and Iraq.

And the USA indirectly supports Russia by doing so by also attacking the international structures which grew since World War 2 and even since much longer times.

I fear somehow not onyl Russia but also the USA forgot to close the box of the Pandora which you had opened in World War 1+2 together with Russia. World War 2 did by the way not end on 8th of May 1945 when the German army surrendered. The Russians continued. You had to stop them in Korea - what had been by the way the only time in your history where you was a very short time in a real war. But instead to try to learn you ignore that.

There are two possibilities - either you learn how to live with Russians (little hint - first of all you shouldn't discriminate, abuse or kill them nor violate international laws nor make preparations to the attack against Russia), either there will be the war until you are ready to study it hard way or die out.

 

[zaangalewa]

... There are two possibilities ...

Exactly, living undead. I could carve secret signs into my silver bullets and send it on its way to you. You'd look pretty stupid if a bumblebee with a colt flew towards you with the words “Greetings from Catweazle” and blew your useless head off with the one you don't dare to think about.
On the other hand, that would probably just be a useless waste of ammunition and we could just as easily flatten Russia with a steamroller. I wonder if the Haluters could have something like that? Oh: You don't know the Haluters? They come from a planet with a slightly higher gravity. If they spit on you, you'll get more than just a little problem, but you'll get it fast.

 

[The Duke]

I doubt Trump will be happy with the terms as stated.

Because they're ridiculous. Fuck it, let 'em have at it.
They're killing off their own culture for nothing which is sad, but they want to do it.

 

[zaangalewa]

... As if Karl Marx was a Russian. ...

The Russians had been Leninist-Marxists, not so Karl Marx.

Ich bin kein Marxist.
Karl Marx
I'm not a Marxist.

 

[The Duke]

The Russians had been Leninist-Marxists, not so Karl Marx.

Ich bin kein Marxist.
Karl Marx
I'm not a Marxist.

What will become of what has been Ukraine if Russia wins?
Huh?

 

[zaangalewa]

The Duke

Looks like you have absolutelly not any idea what you try to speak about. Karl Marx really said so.