Russia Sets Punitive Terms for Peace.

Actually, Russian speaking Odessa is at the left bank from Dniepr. And actual "physical border" between West and Central (also Russian-speaking) Ukraine is Zbruch river.
I'm not sure Putin have desire to occupy any territory. But the Western Ukraine is more infested by Banderlogs, and, highly likely, they will be begging for denazification.
Putin knows taking Odessa will cost many Russian soldiers lives.
Because Ukrainian resistance will be fierce in order to keep its only shipping port.
But once the Russians army has taken Odessa.
They will link Odessa with Transnistria and Putin will annex both of them.
Thus giving Russia complete control of the Black Sea.
Making Ukraine a land locked country.
 
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If the USA were faced the threat of genocidal Latino-American Union agression, with openly declared goal of "decolonisation of Northern America" (meaning discrimination, abuse and genocide of all Americans of European, Asian or African origin), would be there any possible reason for you to agree to be genocided?

In the case of a nation whose enemies' avovwed objective is nothing short of physical annihilation, there is no defensive that can be called extreme, and there is no thing without what it can't live. In blockaded Leningrad they had 100 grams of bread a day, and they still demanded supply of weapons, not food.
Im not sure what you are asking me. Im simply saying, until they are provided with motivation to stop, they likely won't.
 
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I have to disagree. The superpower only needs to inflict pain on the other in a limited and cautious way.
It depends mostly on do this superpower see the issue as a vital, or not. Middle East is important, but not vital for both Russia and the USA. Ukraine is vital for Russia and California is vital for the USA. It means that the USA can't leave California without an all-out nuclear war, and Russia can't leave Ukraine without an all-out nuclear war.
So, if we are talking about Russia or China supporting Californian secessionists it is about a nuclear war. Or, equally, its right about Canada. If Russia and China invest significant money and efforts in Canada joining BRICS and Shanghai block - it is about deployment of Russian/Chinese IRBMs in Canada and sudden attack against US missiles, and to prevent it the USA may even use nuclear weapons (if necessary).

For example, Russia has the Zionist regime in a box, in that if the Zionist regime attempts a war on Iran, Iran will wipe the Zionist regime off of the face of the earth.
First of all, Middle East is important but not vital. Second - there are a lot of Russian citizens and Russian-speakers living in Israel. Like, say, my cousin from Kherson who left Ukraine ten years ago. Back in Ukraine he identified himself as a "Jew", in Israel he identify himself (in practical meaning) as "Russian" (and stick with other Russians). As they say: "From the river to the sea - territoriya Rusi" (meaning that United Israel should have Russian order - cruel but justful and indiscriminative). Third - Israel is playing important balancing (and sometimes pro-Russian) role in the Middle East, like the current situation in Syria.
And if America joins the Zionist regime then American bases will suffer totally unacceptable losses.
Bases are expendables anyway. Unacceptable damage is starting from 10% to 50% of population and it demands nuclear (or biological) attacks against cities. And providing Iran with such technologies might be not in the best interests of Russia. While "nuclear sharing" is still possible.

Proxy wars by America have their inconveniences!
Russia only needed to make Iran the power that now is in control over the ME, to replace the Zionist regime.
And then we'll have to deal with Iran, not with Israel. Changing Zionist regime in Israel to something more acceptable - something like a "cruel pro-Russian dictatorship" with equal rights for Jews and non-Jews may be preferable.

After all, Trump was forced to make a deal with Iran's proxies to leave the US assets alone, while handing it out to the Zionists.
As I said - Middle East is important but not vital for the USA.

Wasp English speaking .
Ok. Let's play a game. After collapse of dollar Ponzi scheme, and hyper-inflation, burning down everyones reserves, America suffer significant (but mostly virtual) economic problems, but it is still a mighty military power (with the second in the world nuclear arsenal). Russia and China decided to eliminate America and for this goal - to buy Canada (its government), deploy there Russian tanks and Chinese IRBMs. As their proxies they decided to use French-speaker's extremists organisations and "de-angloficate" Canada. For this goal, the only official language in Canada becomes Canadian French. The only language allowed in books and TV is French. Police and vigilants allowed to arrest, attack and kill (sometimes even commit mass murders) "tête carrée" (English-speaking Canadians) at spot. Of course, there is US-backed rebellion against Quebec regime and, later, direct US invasion in Canada.
What kind of harm should Canadian regime cause to the USA to force them to allow China deploy nuclear weapons in Canada or allow genocide of tête carrée.

Do you believe that ordinary WASPs in the USA can allow genocide of WASPs in Canada, with, or without Washington permission?
 
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Putin knows taking Odessa will cost many Russian soldiers lives.
May be. But much more Russian lives in Odessa will be saved.
Because Ukrainian resistance will be fierce in order to keep its only shipping port.
Yep. That's the point.
But once the Russians army has taken Odessa.
They will link Odessa with Transnistria and Putin will annex both of them.
Not necessarily. Putin (as a person and a politician) prefers long-term sophisticated games with diplomatic games and spy operations. His meta-strategy is "It's better bend them, than broke them". That's why, say, he didn't annex yet South Ossetia and Abkhazia. It is both his advantage and disadvantage.

Thus giving Russia complete control of the Black Sea.
To get complete control of the Black Sea Russia need to annex Turkey, which is not in agenda right now.
Making Ukraine a land locked country.
It's possible.
 
Im not sure what you are asking me. Im simply saying, until they are provided with motivation to stop, they likely won't.
They will stop, when their motivation "to continue" is significantly lesser than the motivation "to stop".
And when the motivation "to continue" is, in fact, motivation "to avoid the certain genocide", there is no possible motivation "to stop", larger than motivation "to continue".
 
The latest terms for Peace from Russia have been sent to Ukraine.
What do you mean "latest"?
In a nut shell they want all the land taken by force plus more land. No arms ever again from the West. Never NATO as well.
Who told you "all the land taken by force" and why do you believe it?
These terms to me where sent knowing Ukraine will Not accept them.
Not true. Peace in Donbas, limited Ukrainian arms, no NATO, and its neutrality have all been stated long before the treaty was agreed upon and broken by Zoolinksy & the West.
Appears the War will continiue.
That has nothing to do with Russia's demands. If you want to read the Western MSM ..... fine ..... but if you want to understand the true situation you must also read "the other side".
 
There are two gigantic problems:

1). The Western MSM are lying.
2). The West has censored info from the East.

THE BOTTOM LINE: The West can get away with lying to its population. An example being that the West can say that Russia has made new demands while the proof that Russia made those demands before the war even started is inaccessible to you. o_O
 
They will stop, when their motivation "to continue" is significantly lesser than the motivation "to stop".
And when the motivation "to continue" is, in fact, motivation "to avoid the certain genocide", there is no possible motivation "to stop", larger than motivation "to continue".

Huh??


Also, who's going to genocide russia?
 
There are two gigantic problems:

1). The Western MSM are lying.
2). The West has censored info from the East.

THE BOTTOM LINE: The West can get away with lying to its population. An example being that the West can say that Russia has made new demands while the proof that Russia made those demands before the war even started is inaccessible to you. o_O
It is not exactly "lying", as far as I can understand. Western guys just don't see Russians as human beings, and don't believe that the Russians have any human rights and/or feelings. May be it's not even denialism. Their deeply racist mindset just ignore such thesis as "impossible" and simply have "blind spot" on it. From the very beginning the only thing Russia demanded was "the system of equal rights and equal safety". But as western public doesn't see Russians as human beings, for them the very conceptions of equality, dignity or freedom is absolutely meaningless. For them Russians (including Ukrainians) is just cattle, another biological resource that one can harvest from the territory. That is why they always speak about territory, not about humans.
And from this point of view (however limited and stupid it seemed from our point of view), their statement is totally true. Russia didn't demand any territory back in 2013, they demanded Crimea in 2014, they demanded Crimea and two Donbass oblasts back in 2022, their demands increased to Crimea, Donbass plus two other oblasts in 2023, now they demand Crimea, four oblasts and "safety zone" including at least three other oblasts.

And if that mindset of them won't change Russia will "demand" the whole Europe, plus Alaska and California.
 
That is not true.
The voices they trust say that Ukraine is being slaughtered. Years later, with precious little land actually taken, they think Russia is the big winner here. There is nothing that can be done about what they're being told, and what they're choosing to believe.

I heard that the Russian military was complaining about the awesome operation by Ukraine on those airfields, saying it was "a terrorist attack on peaceful Russian bombers."

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Do you believe that ordinary WASPs in the USA can allow genocide of WASPs in Canada, with, or without Washington permission?
I don't consider the question to be relevant. 'Wasps' isn't a term that is still used in Canada.
 
It is not exactly "lying", as far as I can understand. Western guys just don't see Russians as human beings, and don't believe that the Russians have any human rights and/or feelings. May be it's not even denialism. Their deeply racist mindset just ignore such thesis as "impossible" and simply have "blind spot" on it. From the very beginning the only thing Russia demanded was "the system of equal rights and equal safety". But as western public doesn't see Russians as human beings, for them the very conceptions of equality, dignity or freedom is absolutely meaningless. For them Russians (including Ukrainians) is just cattle, another biological resource that one can harvest from the territory. That is why they always speak about territory, not about humans.
And from this point of view (however limited and stupid it seemed from our point of view), their statement is totally true. Russia didn't demand any territory back in 2013, they demanded Crimea in 2014, they demanded Crimea and two Donbass oblasts back in 2022, their demands increased to Crimea, Donbass plus two other oblasts in 2023, now they demand Crimea, four oblasts and "safety zone" including at least three other oblasts.

And if that mindset of them won't change Russia will "demand" the whole Europe, plus Alaska and California.
Putin and Russia will get everything they want and they deserve it because in the end the West will see that they are going to lose everything if they continue. The West will admit they are the bad guys and they will begin to ask for mercy.
 
I don't consider the question to be relevant. 'Wasps' isn't a term that is still used in Canada.
Is the term tête carrée what francophones use? Let's play the game. After getting significant sums of money from Europe/Russia/China, the francophone extremists decided to eliminate English speaking Canadians. Will you allow them to kill you or will you try to defend yourself and your people? Will you ask help from other people, including Americans? Do you think that ordinary Americans (with or without permission from Washington) will try to help you?
 
Is the term tête carrée what francophones use? Let's play the game. After getting significant sums of money from Europe/Russia/China, the francophone extremists decided to eliminate English speaking Canadians. Will you allow them to kill you or will you try to defend yourself and your people? Will you ask help from other people, including Americans? Do you think that ordinary Americans (with or without permission from Washington) will try to help you?
I just don't consider your topic to be important or relevant right now. Maybe it will be?
 
Putin and Russia will get everything they want and they deserve it because in the end the West will see that they are going to lose everything if they continue. The West will admit they are the bad guys and they will begin to ask for mercy.
It is not about that. Totally not. I think I do understand what do you mean, but it seems to be some kind of mirroring or something. Both conceptions of "taking whatever you want" and "forcing enemies to recognize that they are bad guys" (or even conception of "bad guys") are really alien in Russian culture. It might demand more than one lecture (or even more than an academic year) to explain even the most important details of the Russian (traditional and modern) political and cultural expansionism.
 

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