Russia Sets Punitive Terms for Peace.

[TimFitz]

SALT II means nothing and never has. The second after the Soviet’s signed it, they invaded Afghanistan.

SALT2 had nothing at all to do with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

It was a strategic arms control agreement between the United States and the USSR.

It remained in force until Ronald Reagan repudiated it

 

[TimFitz]

The huge wide Dnieper River in Ukraine has historically been the East/West physical barrier between the slavic Russian speaking people and European people like the Poles, Hungarians, etc.

Once the Russian army reaches the Eastern side of the Dnieper river and forced the Ukrainian army to the Western side of the river.

The general consensus is Putin will stop the war and make a peace agreement.
Because he has no desire to occupy Western Ukraine and its mixed bag of ethnic minorities that don't get along with each other.

That’s not how Ukraine sees it.

 

[Sunni Man]

That’s not how Ukraine sees it.

Doesn't matter.
Facts are facts.
Ukraine is losing the war big time.

 

[TimFitz]

Doesn't matter.
Facts are facts.
Ukraine is losing the war big time.

That is not true.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The latest terms for Peace from Russia have been sent to Ukraine.

In a nut shell they want all the land taken by force plus more land. No arms ever again from the West. Never NATO as well.

These terms to me where sent knowing Ukraine will Not accept them. Appears the War will continiue.

Take a look.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-ukraine-talk-about-peace-are-still-far-apart-2025-06-02/

It will never stop until Russia wins or someone stands up in their face. The problem is, Russia doesnt really have any incentive to stop. We need to figure out exactly what it is that russia absolutely cannot live without, and then find a way to deny them that very thing, until they retreat.

 

[Dante]

The latest terms for Peace from Russia have been sent to Ukraine.

In a nut shell they want all the land taken by force plus more land. No arms ever again from the West. Never NATO as well.

These terms to me where sent knowing Ukraine will Not accept them. Appears the War will continiue.

Take a look.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-ukraine-talk-about-peace-are-still-far-apart-2025-06-02/

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/02/nx-s1-5414522/ukraine-peace-talks-russia-trump-putin-istanbul

TACO

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

We need to figure out exactly what it is that russia absolutely cannot live without, and then find a way to deny them that very thing, until they retreat.

Dead Ukrainians.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Dead Ukrainians.

Yes, we need to deny them that, but there has to be something russia needs, a resource or something, that if they were denied it, it would make them want to retreat.

In other words, there has to be a motivator for them to want to stop

 

[Zavulon]

Even Trump understands that there's no gain in America's war against Russia if it goes nuclear.

Looks like not. He had the choice - escalate or deescalate. He decided to escalate to the level "deniable non-nuclear attacks against nuclear forces". It was brave but stupid move. It means, that in less of year, some "houthi/mexican/radical democratic/whoever elses" ship will attack B-52s or Ohios in the bases. And it makes us one step short of open and direct nuclear conflict.

 

[Zavulon]

The huge wide Dnieper River in Ukraine has historically been the East/West physical barrier between the slavic Russian speaking people and European people like the Poles, Hungarians, etc.

Once the Russian army reaches the Eastern side of the Dnieper river and forced the Ukrainian army to the Western side of the river.

The general consensus is Putin will stop the war and make a peace agreement.
Because he has no desire to occupy Western Ukraine and its mixed bag of ethnic minorities that don't get along with each other.

Actually, Russian speaking Odessa is at the left bank from Dniepr. And actual "physical border" between West and Central (also Russian-speaking) Ukraine is Zbruch river.
I'm not sure Putin have desire to occupy any territory. But the Western Ukraine is more infested by Banderlogs, and, highly likely, they will be begging for denazification.

 

[Zavulon]

That’s not how Ukraine sees it.

As if anybody cares about how Ukraine see anything.

 

[Donald H]

Looks like not. He had the choice - escalate or deescalate. He decided to escalate to the level "deniable non-nuclear attacks against nuclear forces". It was brave but stupid move. It means, that in less of year, some "houthi/mexican/radical democratic/whoever elses" ship will attack B-52s or Ohios in the bases. And it makes us one step short of open and direct nuclear conflict.

First off Zav, it's not Trump calling the shots, it's US government. We all should have known from the start that the US started the war against Russia for the purpose of destroying Russia. And fwiw, it's not Zelensky that's insisting on keeping the war going, it's US Pentagon demands.

Did you ever wonder why Trump hasn't ended the war as promised. My answer to the questions is that prmise was only meant for campaign purposes. America is now desperate for natural resources, and that includes hydrocarbons.

 

[Zavulon]

It will never stop until Russia wins or someone stands up in their face. The problem is, Russia doesnt really have any incentive to stop. We need to figure out exactly what it is that russia absolutely cannot live without, and then find a way to deny them that very thing, until they retreat.

If the USA were faced the threat of genocidal Latino-American Union agression, with openly declared goal of "decolonisation of Northern America" (meaning discrimination, abuse and genocide of all Americans of European, Asian or African origin), would be there any possible reason for you to agree to be genocided?

In the case of a nation whose enemies' avovwed objective is nothing short of physical annihilation, there is no defensive that can be called extreme, and there is no thing without what it can't live. In blockaded Leningrad they had 100 grams of bread a day, and they still demanded supply of weapons, not food.

 

[Donald H]

Actually, Russian speaking Odessa is at the left bank from Dniepr. And actual "physical border" between West and Central (also Russian-speaking) Ukraine is Zbruch river.
I'm not sure Putin have desire to occupy any territory. But the Western Ukraine is more infested by Banderlogs, and, highly likely, they will be begging for denazification.

Of course Putin was never ambitious n gaining territory from the Ukraine.

But in addition to what he's won so far, he's now forced to establish an additional buffer zone against US/Nato aggression. Or even more true, against US aggression.

Fwiw, nuclear war isn't on the table. The US would lose more than there is to gain from the hundreds of billiions spent.

 

[Zavulon]

First off Zav, it's not Trump calling the shots, it's US government.

It's Zeb (or Mike, if you wish). Yep. When I say Trump I mean "his decision-makers".

We all should have known from the start that the US started the war against Russia for the purpose of destroying Russia. And fwiw, it's not Zelensky that's insisting on keeping the war going, it's US Pentagon demands.

Pentagon is big. There are many people there and many of them don't want to die.

Did you ever wonder why Trump hasn't ended the war as promised. My answer to the questions is that prmise was only meant for campaign purposes. America is now desperate for natural resources, and that includes hydrocarbons.

May be. But no amount of gas and oil worth the risk of total annihilation, and they hardly can't understand it. May be, there is something else.

 

[konradv]

Not our circus and not our monkeys

Let them duke it out

Ruzzian propaganda!

 

[Donald H]

It's Zeb (or Mike, if you wish). Yep. When I say Trump I mean "his decision-makers".


Pentagon is big. There are many people there and many of they don't want to die.


May be. But no amount of gas and oil worth the risk of total annihilation, and they hardly can't understand it. May be, there is something else.

As I suspected Zeb, you have a few of the issues figured out.

To avoid nuclear war the US needs to be cautious. Putin has said that if it comes to nuclear war, it's everything or nothing. Brilliant n getting that on the table early on!

Oh and btw, I'm a Canadian.

 

[Donald H]

It's Zeb (or Mike, if you wish). Yep. When I say Trump I mean "his decision-makers".


Pentagon is big. There are many people there and many of them don't want to die.


May be. But no amount of gas and oil worth the risk of total annihilation, and they hardly can't understand it. May be, there is something else.

Something else? It's a 'do or die' situation for Russia but it's also 'do or die' for America's future too.

 

[Zavulon]

As I suspected Zeb, you have a few of the issues figured out.

To avoid nuclear war the US needs to be cautious.

One can't defeat a nuclear superpower without fighting a nuclear war.

Putin has said that if it comes to nuclear war, it's everything or nothing.

When he said it?

Brilliant n getting that on the table early on!

It was on the table from the very beginning.

Oh and btw, I'm a Canadian.

My congrats. Are you WASP, French-speaker or of some other origin?

 

[Donald H]

One can't defeat a nuclear superpower without fighting a nuclear war.

I have to disagree. The superpower only needs to inflict pain on the other in a limited and cautious way. For example, Russia has the Zionist regime in a box, in that if the Zionist regime attempts a war on Iran, Iran will wipe the Zionist regime off of the face of the earth. And if America joins the Zionist regime then American bases will suffer totally unacceptable losses.
Proxy wars by America have their inconveniences!
Russia only needed to make Iran the power that now is in control over the ME, to replace the Zionist regime.

After all, Trump was forced to make a deal with Iran's proxies to leave the US assets alone, while handing it out to the Zionists.

When he said it?


It was on the table from the very beginning.

My congrats. Are you WASP, French-speaker or of some other origin?

Wasp English speaking .