Russia Loses 12 Tanks, 11 Armored Vehicles and 1,040 Troops in a Day: Kyiv

[postman]

I am familiar with both sides of the debate (at least from our perspective). I am studiously undecided. I want Putin dead. But that isn’t the same as saying we should commit much to Ukraine.

It's a simple equation. Bang for the buck. Never in history have we done so much damage to the Russian military and the Russian economy, for so little money.

 

[MisterBeale]

I am familiar with both sides of the debate (at least from our perspective). I am studiously undecided. I want Putin dead. But that isn’t the same as saying we should commit much to Ukraine.

That is why that recent downed drone in the Black Sea disturbed me so greatly.

wtf was it even doing near Russia in the first place?

It is like the provocation that got us into the Vietnam war, that later turned out to be a lie, as revealed in the Pentagon Papers.

That US drone should have never even been near Crimea in the first place. We have no business having US assets anywhere near that war.



If they lied to us once, they sure as hell won't hesitate to do it again. Americans are even dumber today, than they were in the 60s.

 

[Couchpotato]

It's not just the quantity that matters, but the quality. Russia has been losing their front line main battle tanks at an alarming rate. Many of them have been captured by the Ukrainians and used against them.
Ukranian farmers would use their tractors to tow Russian tanks that were abandoned when they ran out of gas, to be used by the Ukraine army.

As was posted. Russia has thousands of cold war vintage tanks in storage that they could put on the battlefield, but they would easily fall prey to RPG's and other lesser weapons, and Javelins no longer the weapon of choice.

This is how Russia fights their wars. It's how they have always fought their wars. Doesnt mean they will win this one or that I agree with it but it also doesn't change how they go about fighting them. You cant look at this from the perspective of how WE would fight this or any other war. Russia has always thrown numbers at the problem. 12 tanks means nothing. 1000 tanks would likely mean little to nothing.

 

[postman]

That is why that recent downed drone in the Black Sea disturbed me so greatly.

wtf was it even doing near Russia in the first place?

It actually answers another question that was posed. How do we know how many tanks and men the russians lose. Are we to believe Moscow, Kyiv, or our own eyes?

 

[Couchpotato]

It actually answers another question that was posed. How do we know how many tanks and men the russians lose. Are we to believe Moscow, Kyiv, or our own eyes?

We didnt count tank losses in Kiev from a drone flying around in the Black Sea.

 

[MisterBeale]

LOL! Covering your ears and shouting 'Propaganda!" does not make it so. Anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty would do the easy web search and see, from the offical Russian sources, that the troop increase is being sought.

In Russian:

Минобороны снова набирает контрактников: 400 тысяч человек

Отвечать за выполнение плана будут губернаторы

www.svoboda.org

English translation..headline and first para:

The Ministry of Defense begins a new set of contractors, the goal is 400 thousand people

From April 1, Russia will begin a new set of contract soldiers in the army, for this the Ministry of Defense sent out orders to the regions indicating the number of people with whom the relevant documents should be signed. Several regional media outlets publish the total figure of contract soldiers, which, according to the plans of the Ministry of Defense, need to replenish the troops - 400 thousand. It is alleged that the bulk of the work will fall on the staff of military commissariats, and ultimately the governors will be responsible for the implementation of the plan. According to the plans of the Ministry of Defense, in the Chelyabinsk and Sverdlovsk regions, 10 thousand people should enter the professional service, in the Perm Territory - 9 thousand.
This is Ukrainian Pravda..using the above link as source:

MSN

SO?

Obviously Ukraine is going to have to get some more troops from somewhere, this should scare the shit out of anyone in the west.

Either that, or this war is over.

YOU ARE NOT LIVING IN REALITY.

Demographics of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Demographics of Russia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Couchpotato]

It actually answers another question that was posed. How do we know how many tanks and men the russians lose. Are we to believe Moscow, Kyiv, or our own eyes?

Also what would lead you to believe that the US Government doesn't participate in propaganda?

 

[postman]

This is how Russia fights their wars. It's how they have always fought their wars. Doesnt mean they will win this one or that I agree with it but it also doesn't change how they go about fighting them. You cant look at this from the perspective of how WE would fight this or any other war. Russia has always thrown numbers at the problem. 12 tanks means nothing. 1000 tanks would likely mean little to nothing.

You need to enter the modern era. Your view of how Russia fought it's wars, was when the KGB and Joseph Stalin dictated to the Russians. Remember Woody Allen's "Love and War".

Today Russia is no longer a communist dictatorship.

 

[postman]

We didnt count tank losses in Kiev from a drone flying around in the Black Sea.

Northrop Grumman, Army Testing New Sigint Payload for UAVs

The U.S. military for decades has deployed signals intelligence sensors on manned aircraft and satellites to intercept enemy radio frequency communications.

 

[Couchpotato]

You need to enter the modern era. Your view of how Russia fought it's wars, was when the KGB and Joseph Stalin dictated to the Russians. Remember Woody Allen's "Love and War".

Today Russia is no longer a communist dictatorship.

Russia has fought all it's wars this way. Which wars didnt they fight this way?

 

[Couchpotato]

Northrop Grumman, Army Testing New Sigint Payload for UAVs

The U.S. military for decades has deployed signals intelligence sensors on manned aircraft and satellites to intercept enemy radio frequency communications.

No reason to put a drone in the air to collect that type of communication in Ukraine. We have the tech to do it from Germany. Have since the cold war. Try again.

 

[toobfreak]

Russia Loses 12 Tanks, 11 Armored Vehicles and 1,040 Troops in a Day: Kyiv​

SURE, Beagle! And who reported that, the Russians? Or their inept, hapless enemies?

Guess Russia will just have to put in for a big order of new tanks, vehicles and stuff from China, NK, Iran, and their other partners whom are all grouping up together now both militarily and economically thanks to the bowel movement Biden.

 

[postman]

Also what would lead you to believe that the US Government doesn't participate in propaganda?

Other NATO countries have reported the same numbers from their intelligence operations.

 

[MisterBeale]

We didnt count tank losses in Kiev from a drone flying around in the Black Sea.

No, but he is correct, both drones and satellites can look into conflict areas to make estimates.

Whether they will make accurate reports for the public to have discussions over policy? meh. Don't count on that. Troops, numbers, and losses? That information is usually classified, so putting out accurate information is verboten. Anything publicly available? We can be sure is misinformation.

They are admitting it.

In a break with the past, U.S. is using intel to fight an info war with Russia, even when the intel isn't rock solid​

“It doesn’t have to be solid intelligence,” one U.S. official said. “It’s more important to get out ahead of them [the Russians], Putin specifically, before they do something."

Bold, effective and risky: The new strategy the U.S. is using in the info war against Russia

“It doesn’t have to be solid intelligence,” one U.S. official said. “It’s more important to get out ahead of them [the Russians], Putin specifically, before they do something."

www.nbcnews.com

US Officials Admit They're Literally Just Lying To The Public About Russia​

US Officials Admit They're Literally Just Lying To The Public About Russia

Listen to a reading of this article: ❖ NBC News has a new report out citing multiple anonymous US officials, humorously titled "In a break with the past, U.S. is using intel to fight an info war with Russia, even when the intel isn't rock solid". The officials say the Biden administration has...

caitlinjohnstone.substack.com

 

[postman]

Russia has fought all it's wars this way. Which wars didnt they fight this way?

Afghanistan, Crimea, Georgia

 

[Couchpotato]

Other NATO countries have reported the same numbers from their intelligence operations.

LOL right because it's just the Russians and the Ukrainians who have some vested interest in this war going one way or another.

But again it's 12 tanks. Who gives a shit?

 

[Couchpotato]

No, but he is correct, both drones and satellites can look into conflict areas to make estimates.

Whether they will make accurate reports for the public to have discussions over policy? meh. Don't count on that. Troops, numbers, and losses? That information is usually classified, so putting out accurate information is verboten. Anything publicly available? We can be sure is misinformation.

They are admitting it.

In a break with the past, U.S. is using intel to fight an info war with Russia, even when the intel isn't rock solid​

“It doesn’t have to be solid intelligence,” one U.S. official said. “It’s more important to get out ahead of them [the Russians], Putin specifically, before they do something."

Bold, effective and risky: The new strategy the U.S. is using in the info war against Russia

“It doesn’t have to be solid intelligence,” one U.S. official said. “It’s more important to get out ahead of them [the Russians], Putin specifically, before they do something."

www.nbcnews.com

US Officials Admit They're Literally Just Lying To The Public About Russia​

US Officials Admit They're Literally Just Lying To The Public About Russia

Listen to a reading of this article: ❖ NBC News has a new report out citing multiple anonymous US officials, humorously titled "In a break with the past, U.S. is using intel to fight an info war with Russia, even when the intel isn't rock solid". The officials say the Biden administration has...

caitlinjohnstone.substack.com

A drone cant look 300 miles away into an urban area and tell you anything. They arent up high enough.

 

[postman]

No reason to put a drone in the air to collect that type of communication in Ukraine. We have the tech to do it from Germany. Have since the cold war. Try again.

You obviously know nothing about radio communication.
You can't pick up a radio signal from New York to London, if you're in California.

 

[Couchpotato]

Afghanistan, Crimea, Georgia

The Russians lost tons of troops and equipment in Afghanistan. They lost more in 10 times the people in 10 years that we lost in 20.

 

[postman]

LOL right because it's just the Russians and the Ukrainians who have some vested interest in this war going one way or another.

But again it's 12 tanks. Who gives a shit?

12 tanks in just one city, in just one day.