Russia Formally Warns US to Stop Arming Ukraine!

[justoffal]

Good point if it's actually true that they pulled all the ships further off shore?
Now you're at least becoming involved in the discussion.

And in fact there is a large amount of involvement on this thread already.

I think it's shaken some people awake!

I am sure Russia is well aware of who is responsible for this.
It is after all war. There's no doubt in my mind that NATO was responsible. However I don't think they're going to get the results they're looking for.

 

[Kondor3]

Russia has a lot of clandestine options as well.

Expect a Neptune torpedo up your carrier's ass in the Pacific.

The world would be told it was an accidental munitions discharge that blew the carrier in half and sank her in about 30 minutes.

But....who would ever know? Would the US want to accuse Russia of actually attacking a US carrier? What would come of it? More ***** sanctions?

Go ahead and try it, a$$hole... your Navy just isn't ready for Prime Time... never was, not even back in its Soviet Union heyday...

 

[justoffal]

You're facing up to the situation and that's much more productive then the spamming and denial.

I hear you on what you suspect is the truth but my position is that I just don't know yet.

But thanks for the acknowledgment of the letter that could be as we suspect is the possible reason.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the reason we're not sending heavy arms openly is because the moment Russia determines that Biden has made that decision a massive information dump concerning him and his family will be unleashed on the American public.

 

[rightwinger]

We can go toe-to-toe with why the Russians are having problems with their soviet legacy. The biggest problem is that most of it is not updated.

If that's the case, Russia may do something equally concerning. They know the US will not risk nuclear escalation.

Russia has the complete advantage at the nuclear level. Unlike the US, Russia has spent 50 years building bunkers, hardened industry and power plants, massive stock piles of everything imagineable. And there's a lot of good "bunker hunters" who break into these bunkers on youtube that show you just how massive and well supplied with new equipment these bunkers are.

Russia - religiously speaking - wants a nuclear war.

Russian orthodox believes that the end times will be brought about by man's actions, not by God. I won't get into their apocalyptic views but the Russian Orthodox Church is as bad as Iranians in some ways.

You keep fantasizing that Russia could win a nuclear war

You don’t have the logistics to win a conventional war, how are you going to supply after a nuclear attack?

 

[Donald H]

Russia has a lot of clandestine options as well.

Expect a Neptune torpedo up your carrier's ass in the Pacific.

The world would be told it was an accidental munitions discharge that blew the carrier in half and sank her in about 30 minutes.

But....who would ever know? Would the US want to accuse Russia of actually attacking a US carrier? What would come of it? More ***** sanctions?

This is of course a suggested scenario for a future war but not this one. A Russian hit on a large American ship would be too much over the top, for continuing this war that incluedes mutually agreed upon limitations.

That's the reason why vice versa is so scary right now.

 

[DarthTrader]

I think the biggest problem with Russia-Ukraine right now is we are horridly confused about what's happening and I hope to god the people in charge are not confused.

Russia is fighting Ukraine with Soviet junk from 1970s and some of it maybe 1980s.

Russia HAS modern equipment it is not utilizing against Ukraine.

Most of this is because it has to be committed against NATO. Kirovs, Zirkons, Boreis, Bulavas, Hypersonics, Standoff Cruise missiles, etc. etc. etc.

These weapons aren't making mincemeat of Ukraine because they were never meant to be used in Ukraine.

The US has made gross mistakes in the past when Russia was weak. Russia is no longer weak. If the US got involved in North Korea, Russia WOULD INVADE NATO as soon as 100,000+ US soldiers landed at Busan.

Why?

Because the US notoriously commits all its forces to "the fight". Once it's committed in South Korea....there'd be nothing left to defend Europe. And that's a problem of underestimating your enemy.

And Russia knows that a bunch of tiktok queers advertising their latest make-up aren't going to die in Nuclear hellfire for anyone anywhere.

 

[Donald H]

You keep fantasizing that Russia could win a nuclear war

You don’t have the logistics to win a conventional war, how are you going to supply after a nuclear attack?

Nobody wins a nuclear war and nobody loses.

Unless all of Russia's nuclear bombs and warheads are duds. Wasn't it you that suggested that?

 

[DarthTrader]

You keep fantasizing that Russia could win a nuclear war

You don’t have the logistics to win a conventional war, how are you going to supply after a nuclear attack?

Russia spent way more on its nuclear logistics than on its conventional logistics.

The reason for this is simple, Russia (Soviets) had a different operational sphere than today.

They had 2,000,000 soldiers in Poland and East Germany ready to pour into France along railways and highways.

They didn't expect to ever have to operate in open ground (Ukraine and Belarus) where German breakouts in WW2 caused fronts to collapse or be enveloped in open field warfare.

Russia is confronting a problem it was never prepared for, it did its best to update and modernize but that takes time, and it is doing its best to control costs. 200,000 soldiers to do a job the Soviets expected it'd need 10,000,000 to do.

In the battle of Kursk which took place in the same areas as war today, the Donbas region alone had 2,000,000 soldiers operating against the Germans.

Do not mistake that the Russians have two legacies. A conventional (described above), and the strategic.

The Russian strategic advantage is nightmarish and real.

 

[rightwinger]

Who says their ships are now 80 miles away?

International intelligence

Should we believe them or the feeble excuses Putin is giving?

 

[Donald H]

I think the biggest problem with Russia-Ukraine right now is we are horridly confused about what's happening and I hope to god the people in charge are not confused.

Russia is fighting Ukraine with Soviet junk from 1970s and some of it maybe 1980s.

Russia HAS modern equipment it is not utilizing against Ukraine.

Most of this is because it has to be committed against NATO. Kirovs, Zirkons, Boreis, Bulavas, Hypersonics, Standoff Cruise missiles, etc. etc. etc.

These weapons aren't making mincemeat of Ukraine because they were never meant to be used in Ukraine.

The US has made gross mistakes in the past when Russia was weak. Russia is no longer weak. If the US got involved in North Korea, Russia WOULD INVADE NATO as soon as 100,000+ US soldiers landed at Busan.

Why?

Because the US notoriously commits all its forces to "the fight". Once it's committed in South Korea....there'd be nothing left to defend Europe. And that's a problem of underestimating your enemy.

And Russia knows that a bunch of tiktok queers advertising their latest make-up aren't going to die in Nuclear hellfire for anyone anywhere.

You seem to understand that Russia isn't fighting the war yet.
I hope you understand too the reason why they aren't.
But has America started to fight the war seriously with the sinking?

Truth or lie, Russia will decide.

 

[DarthTrader]

This is of course a suggested scenario for a future war but not this one. A Russian hit on a large American ship would be too much over the top, for continuing this war that incluedes mutually agreed upon limitations.

That's the reason why vice versa is so scary right now.

US has no leg to stand on. This is a popularity contest. India, China, Africa, South America are not going to die for US's bravado.

If the US wants tit-for-tat it's likely to get it, and the world will enforce it by telling the US to take it like a champ.

 

[jknowgood]

Russia is trying to save face by acting tough

US should respond like the Ukraine soldiers did when the Cruiser Moskova threatened them

Go **** Yourself

**** off is the best response to Putin if he thinks he can bully us
Ukraine told him the same thing

The guy just doesn’t take **** off as an answer

Biden can't do that, putin owns him.

 

[rightwinger]

Nobody wins a nuclear war and nobody loses.

Unless all of Russia's nuclear bombs and warheads are duds. Wasn't it you that suggested that?

No

But MAD has worked for 70 years
Putin May bluff but even he knows that if he crosses the line on WMDs he will face immediate international retaliation

 

[DarthTrader]

International intelligence

Should we believe them or the feeble excuses Putin is giving?

I'd believe Putin at the moment. That's the same international intelligence that tells us a counter attack repelled Russian forces in the north.

But when it was actually happening (and I monitor it every day), the narrative was "why are Russians mysteriously disappearing?"

I still remember them identifying the 700+ vehicle convoy just walking out of north west Kiev unapposed. They just left.

And the battles are all "fake", too.

I remember that there was a lot of talk about how Gostomel was overrun by Ukraine and killed all the invaders. But reports from people on twitter and from Russian media had live video of Gostomel's take over and no such thing ever happened.

Ukrainians on twitter would drive up to the airport and talk with the Russian check points. When western media was saying Gostomel was overrun and invaders all killed. These kinds of twitter feeds are much harder to find now, showing that Twitter is basically just a CIA shithole now.

 

[rightwinger]

Biden can't do that, putin owns him.

Wasn‘t Biden who lost a Cruiser yesterday

 

[BackAgain]

Oh. Well. It’s a formal warning, now, says the headline. That changes everything.

 

[DarthTrader]

No

But MAD has worked for 70 years
Putin May bluff but even he knows that if he crosses the line on WMDs he will face immediate international retaliation

Russians don't believe in MAD and probably never did. Their strategic posture has always been: "We estimate the damages of a Nuclear war to be equal to that of WW2, albeit 6 years of destruction occurring in just 30 minutes. But, this is acceptable."

Russia has a different mindset when it comes to Nuclear War, they intend to win it.

 

[rightwinger]

I'd believe Putin at the moment. That's the same international intelligence that tells us a counter attack repelled Russian forces in the north.

But when it was actually happening (and I monitor it every day), the narrative was "why are Russians mysteriously disappearing?"

I still remember them identifying the 700+ vehicle convoy just walking out of north west Kiev unapposed. They just left.

And the battles are all "fake", too.

I remember that there was a lot of talk about how Gostomel was overrun by Ukraine and killed all the invaders. But reports from people on twitter and from Russian media had live video of Gostomel's take over and no such thing ever happened.

Ukrainians on twitter would drive up to the airport and talk with the Russian check points. When western media was saying Gostomel was overrun and invaders all killed. These kinds of twitter feeds are much harder to find now, showing that Twitter is basically just a CIA shithole now.

Baghdad Bob

 

[DarthTrader]

Wasn‘t Biden who lost a Cruiser yesterday

USS Cole, lost (destroyed if you use the technical out of action term), by a rubber boat. Let's not blow out of proportion what "success" looks like.

 

[Donald H]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the reason we're not sending heavy arms openly is because the moment Russia determines that Biden has made that decision a massive information dump concerning him and his family will be unleashed on the American public.

I would suggest that Russia knows exactly what arms America is sending.

And I will also suggest that Russia's intelligence in the Ukraine has enabled Russia to destroy those arms in the final process of the delivery.

But some of the rules of this war still apply.

Maybe?